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Again, a prophecy is nothing more then something in the future foretold to happen. Doesn't mean it was forced to happen or anything, was planned to happen a long time before it did. So still doesn't rule out the fact that it was willingly. then explain how a prophecy happens if it's not God's Will that it shall happen ...you have yet to explain how that works I prophecy that you will post on this forum sometime today after this post. Now when you post on this forum is it cause God made you do it? or that God influenced it? No, will be your own free will doing it. We've been through this, a prophecy does NOT have to have influence of God. A prophecy is only something foreseen to happen ahead of time. you keep trying to claim that you had a prophecy that wasn't from God....if a Christian gets a prophecy from a source other than God,it can only been from that which is in league with Satan .... perhaps it's time to check your scalp and see if you can find 666 ....let's face it...someone on the earth has to spawn the antichrist .....claiming that you have prophecies not from God place you in the running Prophecy is a common based word, does NOT have to do with God nor satan. The prophecies in the bible are DIVINE prophecies........ my prophecy was only a common prophecy. a prophecy is that which will shape the world ....which means there are no common prophecies ....it's called false prophecies given by a false prophet ....according to the bible the false prophet will be tossed into the Lake of Fire ... as a christian you should know better than to claim that you have prophecies from that other than God ...repent oh but that's where you're wrong. I NEVER said God told me nor shown any way shape or form of it having anything to do with our father in heaven. Jeez Cowboy...I know that.....that's why you are a false prophet if the prophecy didn't come from God .....don't you understand that you are talking like The AntiChrist about having prophecies from that other than God........look..if you are the antichrist you are going to have to wise up ....because I can now understand why you will lose at the battle at armegeddon Wrong again..... the aintchrist is a false prophet proclaiming to be holy and the savior. I never claimed any of such. A prophesy on the general note has nothing to do with God, Jesus, heaven, the bible, or anything of such. It is mearly foreseen. wow look at how you now deny your religion and try to run to the dictionary instead of the bible...you are either a Christian or you're not...if you are a christian then a prophecy has everything to do with God and Jesus...especially since a prophecy is a message from God of that what will take place... and also because the bible warns about false prophets so since you have already claim that your prophecy is not from God...then name the source ... Wrong again. Doesn't matter if you're christian, catholic, atheist, or any other belief, the word prophecy is all the same. Again, there is a difference between a prophecy and a prophecy from God. as I said a "real christian" would know or would have been taught that a prophecy pertains only to God and all else is false prophecy....... but anyway you still have not name the source that gave you your prophecy .... again not true..... a false prophecy would be a prophecy that didn't come true. Now my prophecy came true, so therefore was not a false prophecy. And one day you will find all the prophecy's in the bible are not false as well. And I pray that you find the truth in them before they happen and it's to late to change your mind. |
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Again, a prophecy is nothing more then something in the future foretold to happen. Doesn't mean it was forced to happen or anything, was planned to happen a long time before it did. So still doesn't rule out the fact that it was willingly. then explain how a prophecy happens if it's not God's Will that it shall happen ...you have yet to explain how that works I prophecy that you will post on this forum sometime today after this post. Now when you post on this forum is it cause God made you do it? or that God influenced it? No, will be your own free will doing it. We've been through this, a prophecy does NOT have to have influence of God. A prophecy is only something foreseen to happen ahead of time. you keep trying to claim that you had a prophecy that wasn't from God....if a Christian gets a prophecy from a source other than God,it can only been from that which is in league with Satan .... perhaps it's time to check your scalp and see if you can find 666 ....let's face it...someone on the earth has to spawn the antichrist .....claiming that you have prophecies not from God place you in the running Prophecy is a common based word, does NOT have to do with God nor satan. The prophecies in the bible are DIVINE prophecies........ my prophecy was only a common prophecy. a prophecy is that which will shape the world ....which means there are no common prophecies ....it's called false prophecies given by a false prophet ....according to the bible the false prophet will be tossed into the Lake of Fire ... as a christian you should know better than to claim that you have prophecies from that other than God ...repent oh but that's where you're wrong. I NEVER said God told me nor shown any way shape or form of it having anything to do with our father in heaven. Jeez Cowboy...I know that.....that's why you are a false prophet if the prophecy didn't come from God .....don't you understand that you are talking like The AntiChrist about having prophecies from that other than God........look..if you are the antichrist you are going to have to wise up ....because I can now understand why you will lose at the battle at armegeddon Wrong again..... the aintchrist is a false prophet proclaiming to be holy and the savior. I never claimed any of such. A prophesy on the general note has nothing to do with God, Jesus, heaven, the bible, or anything of such. It is mearly foreseen. A prophecy from our father would be a DIVINE prophecy. ...er....DUH? ......so what is a prophcey called that is not from The Father .....an undivine prophecy? ...and who generally give those types of undivine prophecies? .....can we say...er....SATAN? It is just a prophecy....... a prophecy is only from God when it is specifically said to be from God. And no they don't either come from God or Satan....... John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are Gods? So why would we not get prophecies? Cowboy...it's Heaven....oops I meant pure karma how a believer like yourself keep trying to hide behind the dictionary definition instead of the bible as to what a prophecy is........so post something from the bible where a prophecy comes from any other source than that of God .. Not hiding, words mean the same weather it's about heaven, hell, yesterday, tomorrow, the tree across the street. Words don't change meaning because of where they are located even if they can pertain to multiple things. Reason the prophecy's in the bible are divine prophecies and from God is because that's what the bible is........ it's a set of laws for us and some knowledge of the future to be prepared for. ok then let's go with your theory that words mean the same whether in the dictionary or in the bible... I guess Holy Ghost means a lost soul that haunts houses ... but anyway according to both the dictionary and the bible a prophecy is a message that has been communicated to a prophet ...since you claim to have prophecies that would make you Cowboy the prophet .... since you have already claimed that your prophecy didn't come from God...and according to both the dictionary and the bible a prophecy is a message handed down by a source/presence...then what was the presence that communicated your prophecy to you |
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Again, a prophecy is nothing more then something in the future foretold to happen. Doesn't mean it was forced to happen or anything, was planned to happen a long time before it did. So still doesn't rule out the fact that it was willingly. then explain how a prophecy happens if it's not God's Will that it shall happen ...you have yet to explain how that works I prophecy that you will post on this forum sometime today after this post. Now when you post on this forum is it cause God made you do it? or that God influenced it? No, will be your own free will doing it. We've been through this, a prophecy does NOT have to have influence of God. A prophecy is only something foreseen to happen ahead of time. you keep trying to claim that you had a prophecy that wasn't from God....if a Christian gets a prophecy from a source other than God,it can only been from that which is in league with Satan .... perhaps it's time to check your scalp and see if you can find 666 ....let's face it...someone on the earth has to spawn the antichrist .....claiming that you have prophecies not from God place you in the running Prophecy is a common based word, does NOT have to do with God nor satan. The prophecies in the bible are DIVINE prophecies........ my prophecy was only a common prophecy. a prophecy is that which will shape the world ....which means there are no common prophecies ....it's called false prophecies given by a false prophet ....according to the bible the false prophet will be tossed into the Lake of Fire ... as a christian you should know better than to claim that you have prophecies from that other than God ...repent oh but that's where you're wrong. I NEVER said God told me nor shown any way shape or form of it having anything to do with our father in heaven. Jeez Cowboy...I know that.....that's why you are a false prophet if the prophecy didn't come from God .....don't you understand that you are talking like The AntiChrist about having prophecies from that other than God........look..if you are the antichrist you are going to have to wise up ....because I can now understand why you will lose at the battle at armegeddon Wrong again..... the aintchrist is a false prophet proclaiming to be holy and the savior. I never claimed any of such. A prophesy on the general note has nothing to do with God, Jesus, heaven, the bible, or anything of such. It is mearly foreseen. wow look at how you now deny your religion and try to run to the dictionary instead of the bible...you are either a Christian or you're not...if you are a christian then a prophecy has everything to do with God and Jesus...especially since a prophecy is a message from God of that what will take place... and also because the bible warns about false prophets so since you have already claim that your prophecy is not from God...then name the source ... Wrong again. Doesn't matter if you're christian, catholic, atheist, or any other belief, the word prophecy is all the same. Again, there is a difference between a prophecy and a prophecy from God. as I said a "real christian" would know or would have been taught that a prophecy pertains only to God and all else is false prophecy....... but anyway you still have not name the source that gave you your prophecy .... again not true..... a false prophecy would be a prophecy that didn't come true. Now my prophecy came true, so therefore was not a false prophecy. And one day you will find all the prophecy's in the bible are not false as well. And I pray that you find the truth in them before they happen and it's to late to change your mind. Cowboy...now you're preaching instead of debating so do that means that you expect me to give you tithes? ...but anyway you still have not answered what was posed to you.... since you claim that your prophecy didn't come from God....then what was the source/presence that handed you your prophecy? |
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Maybe Im joining way to late on this ... But isnt a "prophecy" nothing more than a prediction of the future?
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Maybe Im joining way to late on this ... But isnt a "prophecy" nothing more than a prediction of the future? a prediction is an opinion by any individual of something that might take place, it requires no special or divine powers to do or any interference or influence from any other person or Divine entity to accomplish...it is simply a guess.. a prophecy is a message from a Divine source or perhaps from an Undivine omniscient source handed down to a chosen individual called a prophet of an event that shall and will take place... since one of the debators claimed they had a prophecy and not a prediction and is therefore considered to be a prophet, but made it clear that they did not receive their prophecy from God ...this is why I asked them to name the omniscient source that they did receive the prophecy from |
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Maybe Im joining way to late on this ... But isnt a "prophecy" nothing more than a prediction of the future? a prediction is an opinion by any individual of something that might take place, it requires no special or divine powers to do or any interference or influence from any other person or Divine entity to accomplish...it is simply a guess.. a prophecy is a message from a Divine source or perhaps from an Undivine omniscient source handed down to a chosen individual called a prophet of an event that shall and will take place... since one of the debators claimed they had a prophecy and not a prediction and is therefore considered to be a prophet, but made it clear that they did not receive their prophecy from God ...this is why I asked them to name the omniscient source that they did receive the prophecy from You really got stuck on that. The definition specifically states "USUALLY" from a divine source. Not all prophecies have to come from God nor Satan nor anything like that. It is just what nicetallguy said a prediction of the future. Again DOES NOT have to have any divine influence. |
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Maybe Im joining way to late on this ... But isnt a "prophecy" nothing more than a prediction of the future? a prediction is an opinion by any individual of something that might take place, it requires no special or divine powers to do or any interference or influence from any other person or Divine entity to accomplish...it is simply a guess.. a prophecy is a message from a Divine source or perhaps from an Undivine omniscient source handed down to a chosen individual called a prophet of an event that shall and will take place... since one of the debators claimed they had a prophecy and not a prediction and is therefore considered to be a prophet, but made it clear that they did not receive their prophecy from God ...this is why I asked them to name the omniscient source that they did receive the prophecy from You really got stuck on that. The definition specifically states "USUALLY" from a divine source. Not all prophecies have to come from God nor Satan nor anything like that. It is just what nicetallguy said a prediction of the future. Again DOES NOT have to have any divine influence. I also said a message to a prophet handed down by an undivine omniscient source...so are you going to tell the source that handed you the prophecy or was you lying about having a prophecy |
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Maybe Im joining way to late on this ... But isnt a "prophecy" nothing more than a prediction of the future? *proph·e·cy [próffəssee] (plural proph·e·cies) n 1. divine prediction: a prediction of a future event that is believed to reveal the will of a deity 2. prediction: a prediction that something will occur in the future 3. supposed ability to predict future: the supposed ability to predict the future when inspired by a deity [13th century. Via French prophecie and late Latin prophetia < Greek prophēteia < prophētēs (see prophet)] prophecy or prophesy? **proph·e·sy [próffə s] (past and past participle proph·e·sied, present participle proph·e·sy·ing, 3rd person present singular proph·e·sies) v 1. vti predict: to predict what is going to happen 2. vi predict with divine authority: to supposedly reveal the will of a deity in predicting a future event [14th century. < Old French prophecier < prophecie (see prophecy)] -proph·e·si·able, , adj -proph·e·si·er, , n -->>>> Though spelled almost alike, these two words are pronounced differently and have different grammatical functions. Prophecy, a noun only, means "a prediction or the ability to predict the future," as in a dire economic prophecy.Prophesy, a verb, means "to predict," as in would not go so far as to prophesy a recession just yet. |
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"Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;" Rom 12:6
"To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:" 1Co 12:10 "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing." 1Co 13:2 "Neglect not the giftG that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery." 1Tim 4:14 "We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:" 2Pet 1:19 2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. |
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Maybe Im joining way to late on this ... But isnt a "prophecy" nothing more than a prediction of the future? *proph·e·cy [próffəssee] (plural proph·e·cies) n 1. divine prediction: a prediction of a future event that is believed to reveal the will of a deity 2. prediction: a prediction that something will occur in the future 3. supposed ability to predict future: the supposed ability to predict the future when inspired by a deity [13th century. Via French prophecie and late Latin prophetia < Greek prophēteia < prophētēs (see prophet)] prophecy or prophesy? **proph·e·sy [próffə s] (past and past participle proph·e·sied, present participle proph·e·sy·ing, 3rd person present singular proph·e·sies) v 1. vti predict: to predict what is going to happen 2. vi predict with divine authority: to supposedly reveal the will of a deity in predicting a future event [14th century. < Old French prophecier < prophecie (see prophecy)] -proph·e·si·able, , adj -proph·e·si·er, , n -->>>> Though spelled almost alike, these two words are pronounced differently and have different grammatical functions. Prophecy, a noun only, means "a prediction or the ability to predict the future," as in a dire economic prophecy.Prophesy, a verb, means "to predict," as in would not go so far as to prophesy a recession just yet. now add into the equation that the person claiming to had the prophecy also claim to be a christian, and the subject pertaining to the prophecy was about the coming of Jesus ....would it not then be obvious that the term prophecy in this set of circumstances refer to a message handed down by a Divine Entity |
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HOLY SMOKES! This is a run away thread! I have a bad feeling if God were really standing in front of us no one including me would even have a clue until it was too late.
 Seriously, how many of you would go to the floor with your faces sight unseen to anyone or anything having even any remote "super powers" or "magical abilities?" Heck, All I would have to do is read minds a little and just be able to make the surface tension of water change so I can walk on it (and I do have a hypothesis that you can induce water's surface to be as impenetrable as cement so you CAN walk on it without freezing it!) and I could baffle people into thinking I am the second coming. Frankly I think ANYONE claiming to be God in my presence had better be able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt to me who they are claiming to be. There is a saying among street fighters. Don't worry about the guy with the loud mouth. Be wary of the guy who is silent. It would be funny to me if God were right under all our noses! If I took certain bits of our technology and my current knowledge back say 5 thousand years I would be hailed as a god. Go back 10,000 years and I would be more God like yet. Now how about Chimpanzees? How would they see us? Do they see us as gods? Prolly not. I bet they do see us as either evil or weak though. Aliens with the right technology today could come off as gods to us. Readily giving into faith sight unseen is DANGEROUS! Dogma (the movie) had a Christian bend to it but God was among us in a Homeless guy. Religion detracts us from seeing things clearly unless we allow ourselves to be open to learning past what a moldy old book tells us! I guess some intellectual lines can not be crossed by many people. I seen a simple question erupt into this whole philosophical debate over faith and God's presence. All I can say is YIKES! Trust me, if God were standing right in front of you I think it would be time to abandon all of this Prophesy crap. Didn't Jesus himself say to worry about today, not tomorrow? In life give unto your family (brotherhood, our fellow man), and when the time comes to give unto God? People, I am sorry to say this but...  It isn't really a bad thing per say. Just, wow! How often do threads like this run away so badly? I think I know, PASSION! 
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People, I am sorry to say this but... It isn't really a bad thing per say. Just, wow! How often do threads like this run away so badly? I think I know, PASSION! when someone present a question that they would ask God then the question sometimes leads to someone challenging the question which leads to a debate which may bring up other questions to ask God ...so is it really off topic..... |
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... Religion detracts us from seeing things clearly unless we allow ourselves to be open to learning past what a moldy old book tells us! "If God Was Standing in Front of us now" HE would say "'OPEN... THE MOLDY OLD BOOK' THAT YE MIGHT HAVE AIR". ... the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; Acts 3:19 |
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I'm not going to go through 42 pages of whatever ... I see a statement on this page about never meeting a Christian that didn't think Jesus was god ... and I think "you have never really talked to many Christians seriously" the trinity ... is a Catholic idea ... not all Christians are Catholic. Nowhere in any biblical text does it say Jesus is God .... I think you need some serious rethinking of your position and some honest study of the subject. Now to the base question in the header.... If God was standing in front of me .... I would ask him why so many mixed messages and if its really a him or a her or androgenous or hermafrodite? then ask Who his god is? Referring to your responce to the OP "If God was standing in front of me..." Do you then believe that God is a physical being? Would that not limit the power and capabilities of God? my dear ... that is the premise of the thread post by the OP ... if I do not assume that God can stand in front of me for this thread then there is no point in answering the question . let's stick with the program please. The other question you would pose to God, "Who are you?" seems to indicate that God is one among others and you seek clarification of which one of the gods you are standing in from of. If you reread my post ... you will maybe realize that that is not the question I asked. Is that really the question you mean to ask? ------------------- now to deal with the posting of some scripture from ... John ... if you read that you will see that at no time did Jesus say he was god ... he said he was in god and god was in him ... and if you read more scripture you will see he also said we are all in god and god is in all of us .... so by your logic that means we are all god. now go back to bible school. |
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Damn Double Posting ... must be a sign. |
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------------------- now to deal with the posting of some scripture from ... John ... if you read that you will see that at no time did Jesus say he was god ... he said he was in god and god was in him ... and if you read more scripture you will see he also said we are all in god and god is in all of us .... so by your logic that means we are all god. now go back to bible school. Truly. There's no doubt about it. Once Eastern Mysticism is understood, it's crystal clear that this was indeed what Jesus was attempting to teach. The authors of the New Testament, of course, did not understand what Jesus was teaching and this is why they misrepresent his words and make false conclusions about what he was trying to say. |
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Maybe Im joining way to late on this ... But isnt a "prophecy" nothing more than a prediction of the future? a prediction is an opinion by any individual of something that might take place, it requires no special or divine powers to do or any interference or influence from any other person or Divine entity to accomplish...it is simply a guess.. a prophecy is a message from a Divine source or perhaps from an Undivine omniscient source handed down to a chosen individual called a prophet of an event that shall and will take place... since one of the debators claimed they had a prophecy and not a prediction and is therefore considered to be a prophet, but made it clear that they did not receive their prophecy from God ...this is why I asked them to name the omniscient source that they did receive the prophecy from So if u dont believe in a "divine" source ... A prophecy is nothing more that a prediction of the future?? |
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Maybe Im joining way to late on this ... But isnt a "prophecy" nothing more than a prediction of the future? a prediction is an opinion by any individual of something that might take place, it requires no special or divine powers to do or any interference or influence from any other person or Divine entity to accomplish...it is simply a guess.. a prophecy is a message from a Divine source or perhaps from an Undivine omniscient source handed down to a chosen individual called a prophet of an event that shall and will take place... since one of the debators claimed they had a prophecy and not a prediction and is therefore considered to be a prophet, but made it clear that they did not receive their prophecy from God ...this is why I asked them to name the omniscient source that they did receive the prophecy from So if u dont believe in a "divine" source ... A prophecy is nothing more that a prediction of the future?? a prophecy is a message handed down by either a Divine Source or an Undivine omniscient source...so if one do not believe in a Divine source then what was the Undivine omniscient source that they received their prophecy from......if they can not name an Undivine omniscient source then it's not a prophecy or a prediction....it's called a guess |
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------------------- now to deal with the posting of some scripture from ... John ... if you read that you will see that at no time did Jesus say he was god ... he said he was in god and god was in him ... and if you read more scripture you will see he also said we are all in god and god is in all of us .... so by your logic that means we are all god. now go back to bible school. Truly. There's no doubt about it. Once Eastern Mysticism is understood, it's crystal clear that this was indeed what Jesus was attempting to teach. The authors of the New Testament, of course, did not understand what Jesus was teaching and this is why they misrepresent his words and make false conclusions about what he was trying to say. for the sake of argument I'm going with the premise that Jesus actually said what the authors of The New Testament wrote.....therefore it is not the authors fault that others misrepresent the words of Jesus...it is the fault of Jesus for speaking in easily "mis-interpetable" parables to the masses as in the passage below as he explains why to his disciples Mat. 13:11.13 ...“The knowledge of the secrets of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. This is why I speak to them in parables, ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand’” sounds like Jesus was trying to promote why believers need to go to temple.... aka church |
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