Jesus himself did nothing. Jesus sacrificed himself for the sins of the world.

sacrificing oneself for the sins of the world is called committing suicide and is against the law because technically it is pre-mediated murder and a cry for help ....which means today Jesus would be guilty of breaking the law...this is why I asked what crime was Jesus guilty of under Roman law which cause Rome to crucify him ....because under Roman law he indeed was a criminal ...so what was the name of the crime he supposedly committed "under Roman Law"

For telling the world he was the son of God and spreading the word of God. The romans seen this as blasphemy and was the reason they crucified Jesus. Because of viewing it like you and refusing to believe it to be true.

if Jesus committed blasphemy....then he was guilty of something

It wasn't blasphemy though, only seen as such because people refused to believe in God and believe Jesus was the son of God. What Jesus has told is the truth regardless of what the romans thought.

doesn't matter if Jesus believed he was the son of God or not...if there were a Roman law that crucified people for saying such things then Jesus was definitely guilty of committing blasphemy during that time ......he in the eyes of Rome was a criminal ...he had "Free Will' and took it upon himself to break the law and therefore must suffer the consequences ....

No, because blasphemy is an act of lying. Jesus wasn't lying, therefore not committing blasphemy.

There you go, being dishonest again!
So now you're speaking for me too?

Since you claim to speak for me, I'm allowed to dispute your views, so don't be surprised when I do.


If you want to be honest, show me where you get the idea that I want people to agree that "only the Bible contains wisdom"...

You are foolish if you believe that I think that way...
You are foolish for implying that I do. So, you wanna back it up or deny it?
Or possibly admit your error? yeah right!


And of course, I predict that no evidence will be presented...

as I said it doesn't matter if he was lying or not...he obviously couldn't provide enough evidence to prove that he wasn't guilty ...

Who said anything about speaking for you?

What I said was:


If you feel this applies to you, don't look at me. That would be your own paranoia.

You wrongfully accuse me of being "dishonest" whilst posting biblical verses that speak to the issue of seeking "wisdom" in a manner that implies that it can only be found in the Bible.

The wisdom I have found requires stepping outside of the limited biased box of the biblical cannon. Everyone knows that the biblical cannon itself was designed to support a view that Jesus is the son of Yahweh, and all that this would then entail.

What I've discovered from seeking a wider knowledgebase of wisdom, is that the biblical cannon is in grave error.

The Old Testament appears to be nothing more than foolishness that makes both, humankind, and a fictitious personified jealous creator, appear to be totally inept idiots.

The New Testament, on the other hand, clearly shows that even Jesus didn't buy into that ignorance. Even according to the gospels, Jesus refuted the ignorance that is now supported by the canonized Old Testament. Even the gospels never have Jesus claiming to be the only begotten son of that fictitious God. Those claims were made entirely by the authors of gospels themselves, and were never directly attributed to Jesus as direct quotes.

Finally, after having learned the many different sects of Buddhism, I have found that the teachings of Jesus parallel the pantheistic teachings of Mahayana Buddhism that was in its peak right at the time Jesus was supposed to have lived. Moreover, the Mahayana Buddhist monks often required that their students vowed to become bodhisattvas before they would even take them on as a student. The life, behavior, and teachings of Jesus reflect precisely what one would expect from a Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva.

So the wisdom I have gained surpasses anything you'll find in the biblical cannon alone.

Now I ask you, what is less than 'honest' about that?

Yet you constantly make false claims about my character and bear false witness against me, even though there is no truth in any of your accusations.

All I'm saying is that, for me, based on the eclectic wisdom I have gained during the course of my life thus far, I have concluded that the claims of the authors of the biblical cannon simply hold no truth, and are unworthy of belief.

As I have told you many times, if you disagree with this conclusion and would like to offer your own views and opinions, then please do so.

Making false claims about my character and bearing false witness against me concerning my honesty, is simply wrong of you.

I would like to offer my view on the topic of discussion between Cowboy and Funches.

Jesus never claimed to be the "only begotten son" of God. There's no where in the entire Bible where Jesus specifical is said to make this claim. On the contrary, the claims that Jesus made were pantheistic claims such as "I and the Father are One", and "Ye are also gods". Jesus was also credited with saying something to the effect of, "Whatever you do unto the least of your brethen you do unto me", which again confirms the pantheistic view of Jesus.

Also, Jesus was not officially condemened to death by the Roman Government. Jesus was NOT found guilty of blaspheme. On the Contrary, Pontious Pilate said the following:


Luke.23:4 Then said Pilate to the chief priests and to the people, I find no fault in this man.


So even Pilate, after having spoken with Jesus, did not feel that Jesus was claiming to be anything more than a pantheist.

I imagine Pilate was a fairly educated man and was aware of the various religoius views of the time which most certainly would have included Buddhism. That religion was certainly well-known by this time in history. Buddhism, and the pantheistic Eastern Mystical views would certainly been known and recognized by men as affuent as Pontious Pilate.

So Jesus didn't need to lie. He simply never claimed to be the "Only Begotten Son" of Yahweh. In fact, even the gospels don't have him making this claim directly. Every statement they actually attribute to Jesus in the form of a quote, is a pantheistic statement and never a statement of exclusiveness.

The whole Christian claim that Jesus was the "Only Begotten Son" of God is the lie. And when I use the term "Chrsitian" here, I'm speaking of the actual authors of the gospels. They were the people who made these claims NOT Jesus!

So Jesus never had to lie, because he never claimed to be the "Only Begotten Son" of God. Never.

That claim, my friends, is the Christian MYTH!

That comes from John 3:16 and other's that try to make that claim on behalf of Jesus. But there is nowhere even in the gospels themselves where Jesus himself is quoted directly as having made this claim.

The idea that Jesus actually claimed to be the "Only Begotten Son" of God is the greatest lie of the entire Christian religion.

In fact, I don't believe you'll find that precise claim being made anyone other than by John.

All other references to Jesus as the "Son of God" do not include the qualifier of "Only Begotten".

And for Jesus to simply claim to be a mere "Son of God" would not be blaspheme at all since all men are considered to be the children of God.

The only time it becomes blaspheme is when he's claimed to be the "Only Begotten" son of God, then you've got a problem. But John's the only one who ever made that claim, and that claim was never attributed directly to Jesus.

So Jesus never even claimed to be the "Only Begotten Son" of God. Contrary to what Christianity holds to be true!

that's what I like about the bible because it is quite logical and made concessions to address that "Only Begotton Son" claim which was made before Jesus was even born

you have to take into account the story of Mary in which God inform Joseph that Mary would bear a child and it was Mary that first made the claim that God was "The Father" in more ways than one...I would suggest that God and Joseph take a DNA test

so whether Jesus was the Son of God or not it was programmed into him from birth that he was sired by God himself by his Mother ...he clearly could not fill his Father shoes which explains why he was so screwed up that he had to talk in parables and so suicidal that he placed himself into a position to committ suicide by martydom

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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1 John 4:9

In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him
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1 John 4:10

Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

I trust!!!

also Luke 1:26-38

well that ends the theory that Jesus had "Free Will"

None of those have Jesus himself claiming to be the "Only Begotten Son" of God.

This is where Christians often show their greatest ignorance. They just toss out quotes from the Bible and act as though they are the words of Jesus or God, when in fact they are neither.

These are just the personal ramblings of the authors of the New Testament jumping to their own conclusions!

These are not references or quotes to what Jesus ever said. They aren't even claiming to be quoting Jesus in these verses.

My point is that nowhere in the Bible does Jesus HIMSELF ever claim to be the "Only Begotten Son" of God.

And the verses you've posted are totally worthless with respect to the point being made.

Jesus himself never made any such claim. All the claims you've listed in these verses are just hearsay rumors by other people.

The Old Testament points to why Jesus is not the birth son of God with the story of the Nephilim which were the offsprings of angels that came to Earth and impregnated (knock boots) with human females,

God found this to be such an abomination that it became one of the reasons if not the main reason why he drowned the Nephilim and all the humans except Noah and Crew in The Great Flood

for God to comdemn the Nephilim and then drown all of them and then turn around and do the same thing in the form of the most horrfic of all abominations (a Father fathering his own daughter's child) is the type of thinking that makes Christianity a pagan cult

God created Adam and Eve and told them to be fruitful and muliply so that they could populate the world not so that he could do it

a God going around getting his creations pregnant?...what's the universe coming to?

How does that rule out Jesus' free will? Jesus could have not done the things he did if he hadn't wanted to. Just because someone sends you somewhere and tells you what to do doesn't mean you don't have free will. You ALWAYS have the choice to say no and don't do it.

Think God said it best, Jesus doesn't have to say anything.

Matthew 3:17
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Along with the other verses i've posted, amongst many other verses show that Jesus is the son of God. Not ONE verse will give you the knowledge of anything, you have to take the entire bible to understand what is written in it. You have to read it with an open mind and heart. You can't let your thoughts and premeditated beliefs interfere with what you read.