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So Jesus never even claimed to be the "Only Begotten Son" of God. Contrary to what Christianity holds to be true! that's what I like about the bible because it is quite logical and made concessions to address that "Only Begotton Son" claim which was made before Jesus was even born you have to take into account the story of Mary in which God inform Joseph that Mary would bear a child and it was Mary that first made the claim that God was "The Father" in more ways than one...I would suggest that God and Joseph take a DNA test so whether Jesus was the Son of God or not it was programmed into him from birth that he was sired by God himself by his Mother ...he clearly could not fill his Father shoes which explains why he was so screwed up that he had to talk in parables and so suicidal that he placed himself into a position to committ suicide by martydom John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. ------------------ 1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him --------------------------- 1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. well that ends the theory that Jesus had "Free Will" How does that rule out Jesus' free will? Jesus could have not done the things he did if he hadn't wanted to. Just because someone sends you somewhere and tells you what to do doesn't mean you don't have free will. You ALWAYS have the choice to say no and don't do it. John 3:16 points it out ....it doesn't say that Jesus volunteered...it states that God "GAVE" his only begotton Son ...hence no "Free Will" It's not saying that in anyway. God gave Jesus to the world in a sense God could have stopped the crucifixion from happening. read your own post....even you said that God "GAVE" Jesus to the world ....did God lend Jesus to the world?...did God loan out Jesus to the world? ...did God rent out Jesus to the world?...so let's face it....God "GAVE" Jesus to the world which is why Jesus had no "Free Will" ......as soon as someone becomes a believer they give up their "Free Will"....why?....because a believer simply can not disobey a direct order from God .....ask Adam and Eve |
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So Jesus never even claimed to be the "Only Begotten Son" of God. Contrary to what Christianity holds to be true! that's what I like about the bible because it is quite logical and made concessions to address that "Only Begotton Son" claim which was made before Jesus was even born you have to take into account the story of Mary in which God inform Joseph that Mary would bear a child and it was Mary that first made the claim that God was "The Father" in more ways than one...I would suggest that God and Joseph take a DNA test so whether Jesus was the Son of God or not it was programmed into him from birth that he was sired by God himself by his Mother ...he clearly could not fill his Father shoes which explains why he was so screwed up that he had to talk in parables and so suicidal that he placed himself into a position to committ suicide by martydom John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. ------------------ 1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him --------------------------- 1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. well that ends the theory that Jesus had "Free Will" How does that rule out Jesus' free will? Jesus could have not done the things he did if he hadn't wanted to. Just because someone sends you somewhere and tells you what to do doesn't mean you don't have free will. You ALWAYS have the choice to say no and don't do it. John 3:16 points it out ....it doesn't say that Jesus volunteered...it states that God "GAVE" his only begotton Son ...hence no "Free Will" It's not saying that in anyway. God gave Jesus to the world in a sense God could have stopped the crucifixion from happening. read your own post....even you said that God "GAVE" Jesus to the world ....did God lend Jesus to the world?...did God loan out Jesus to the world? ...did God rent out Jesus to the world?...so let's face it....God "GAVE" Jesus to the world which is why Jesus had no "Free Will" ......as soon as someone becomes a believer they give up their "Free Will"....why?....because a believer simply can not disobey a direct order from God .....ask Adam and Eve BUT we still have the ability, the option, the choice to disobey. Resulting in we still have free will. |
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BUT we still have the ability, the option, the choice to disobey. Resulting in we still have free will. nope...once you disobey God you no longer have faith and therefore you are no longer a believer ..it's a catch 22 ....because you're damn if you do and/or damn if you don't ... that is why God is not supposed to interfer or influence ...because once he does... he takes away "Free Will" |
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BUT we still have the ability, the option, the choice to disobey. Resulting in we still have free will. nope...once you disobey God you no longer have faith and therefore you are no longer a believer ..it's a catch 22 ....because you're damn if you do and/or damn if you don't ... that is why God is not supposed to interfer or influence ...because once he does... he takes away "Free Will" Once you disobey God you ask for forgiveness if you truly want it. God knows we will make mistakes and screw up time to time, and has offered forgiveness for this. And that doesn't mean you are no longer a believer. Just means you screwed up. Heck even outside of God, say with a girlfriend people will say things they didn't mean and even do things they didn't mean and will later on ask for forgiveness from that spouse. |
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BUT we still have the ability, the option, the choice to disobey. Resulting in we still have free will. nope...once you disobey God you no longer have faith and therefore you are no longer a believer ..it's a catch 22 ....because you're damn if you do and/or damn if you don't ... that is why God is not supposed to interfer or influence ...because once he does... he takes away "Free Will" Once you disobey God you ask for forgiveness if you truly want it. God knows we will make mistakes and screw up time to time, and has offered forgiveness for this. And that doesn't mean you are no longer a believer. Just means you screwed up. Heck even outside of God, say with a girlfriend people will say things they didn't mean and even do things they didn't mean and will later on ask for forgiveness from that spouse. doesn't work that way...if you disobey your girlfriend she may give you hell for a while but she can't condemn you to hell forever.. but God can.... a believer would obey a direct command from God for that is the purpose of faith, they have blind trust that he supposedly knows what he is doing....a non-believer wouldn't trust God or trust that it was a God and this is why only a non-believer would not follow a direct command from God if Jesus was not God's to give away and God needed to ask for permission to give him away....then John 3:16 and Christianity is a lie and based on a lie |
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BUT we still have the ability, the option, the choice to disobey. Resulting in we still have free will. nope...once you disobey God you no longer have faith and therefore you are no longer a believer ..it's a catch 22 ....because you're damn if you do and/or damn if you don't ... that is why God is not supposed to interfer or influence ...because once he does... he takes away "Free Will" Once you disobey God you ask for forgiveness if you truly want it. God knows we will make mistakes and screw up time to time, and has offered forgiveness for this. And that doesn't mean you are no longer a believer. Just means you screwed up. Heck even outside of God, say with a girlfriend people will say things they didn't mean and even do things they didn't mean and will later on ask for forgiveness from that spouse. doesn't work that way...if you disobey your girlfriend she may give you hell for a while but she can't condemn you to hell forever.. but God can.... a believer would obey a direct command from God for that is the purpose of faith, they have blind trust that he supposedly knows what he is doing....a non-believer wouldn't trust God or trust that it was a God and this is why only a non-believer would not follow a direct command from God if Jesus was not God's to give away and God needed to ask for permission to give him away....then John 3:16 and Christianity is a lie and based on a lie No it's not a lie and you're missing my ENTIRE point. God may have given Jesus, BUT it was still Jesus' own free will to do with what he wanted. Jesus COULD have become a drunk he wished to use his FREE WILL that way. But no, Jesus used his FREE WILL to do as our father wanted him to. |
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BUT we still have the ability, the option, the choice to disobey. Resulting in we still have free will. nope...once you disobey God you no longer have faith and therefore you are no longer a believer ..it's a catch 22 ....because you're damn if you do and/or damn if you don't ... that is why God is not supposed to interfer or influence ...because once he does... he takes away "Free Will" Once you disobey God you ask for forgiveness if you truly want it. God knows we will make mistakes and screw up time to time, and has offered forgiveness for this. And that doesn't mean you are no longer a believer. Just means you screwed up. Heck even outside of God, say with a girlfriend people will say things they didn't mean and even do things they didn't mean and will later on ask for forgiveness from that spouse. doesn't work that way...if you disobey your girlfriend she may give you hell for a while but she can't condemn you to hell forever.. but God can.... a believer would obey a direct command from God for that is the purpose of faith, they have blind trust that he supposedly knows what he is doing....a non-believer wouldn't trust God or trust that it was a God and this is why only a non-believer would not follow a direct command from God if Jesus was not God's to give away and God needed to ask for permission to give him away....then John 3:16 and Christianity is a lie and based on a lie Notice that "Heck even outside of God". The reference of the girlfriend had nothing to do with our soul. Was a simile to put it in more of a worldly way of looking at our actions and mistakes we make in life. |
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No it's not a lie and you're missing my ENTIRE point. God may have given Jesus, BUT it was still Jesus' own free will to do with what he wanted. Jesus COULD have become a drunk he wished to use his FREE WILL that way. But no, Jesus used his FREE WILL to do as our father wanted him to. this happen before Jesus was even born...it's no getting around the fact that God impregnanted Mary so that he could give Jesus away ...like Mother like Son neither had any say so in the matter hence no "Free Will" ...everything was always foretold....that is what is meant by prophecy ....unless of course you are willing to admit that God makes mistakes and therefore not all prophecies by God come true |
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No it's not a lie and you're missing my ENTIRE point. God may have given Jesus, BUT it was still Jesus' own free will to do with what he wanted. Jesus COULD have become a drunk he wished to use his FREE WILL that way. But no, Jesus used his FREE WILL to do as our father wanted him to. this happen before Jesus was even born...it's no getting around the fact that God impregnanted Mary so that he could give Jesus away ...like Mother like Son neither had any say so in the matter hence no "Free Will" ...everything was always foretold....that is what is meant by prophecy ....unless of course you are willing to admit that God makes mistakes and therefore not all prophecies by God come true Prophecy is a foretold action. Does not mean that it's pushed in that way. Like my prophecy is later today the sun will go down and early tomorrow the sun will come up. I have NO way of CAUSING this to happen, it's just a foreseen action. And it specifically says Mary was willing to take this on. An angel appeared to marry before this happened, she could have said right then and there she does not wish to take this on. So therefore no free will was taken away. Marry knew this was gonna happen before it did and she was ok with it. And still Jesus had the free will to live his life how he wished. But he used again his free will to do God's will. Again, Jesus could have turned out to be a drunk, a theif, a killer, and many other things. But he used his free will to complete what he was sent to do. Just because someone is sent for something does NOT mean it's taking away their free will. With that idea of looking at it, then wow even I have taken away people's free will by asking them to do something for me. |
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No it's not a lie and you're missing my ENTIRE point. God may have given Jesus, BUT it was still Jesus' own free will to do with what he wanted. Jesus COULD have become a drunk he wished to use his FREE WILL that way. But no, Jesus used his FREE WILL to do as our father wanted him to. this happen before Jesus was even born...it's no getting around the fact that God impregnanted Mary so that he could give Jesus away ...like Mother like Son neither had any say so in the matter hence no "Free Will" ...everything was always foretold....that is what is meant by prophecy ....unless of course you are willing to admit that God makes mistakes and therefore not all prophecies by God come true Prophecy is a foretold action. Does not mean that it's pushed in that way. Like my prophecy is later today the sun will go down and early tomorrow the sun will come up. I have NO way of CAUSING this to happen, it's just a foreseen action. And it specifically says Mary was willing to take this on. An angel appeared to marry before this happened, she could have said right then and there she does not wish to take this on. So therefore no free will was taken away. Marry knew this was gonna happen before it did and she was ok with it. And still Jesus had the free will to live his life how he wished. But he used again his free will to do God's will. Again, Jesus could have turned out to be a drunk, a theif, a killer, and many other things. But he used his free will to complete what he was sent to do. Just because someone is sent for something does NOT mean it's taking away their free will. With that idea of looking at it, then wow even I have taken away people's free will by asking them to do something for me. again you keep trying to compare yourself to God...do you have the power to prohibit the Sun from rising...God supposedly have that power which is why he has the power to push events to full fill his prophecies .....so explain why God would make a prophecy that he couldn't full fill ... |
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No it's not a lie and you're missing my ENTIRE point. God may have given Jesus, BUT it was still Jesus' own free will to do with what he wanted. Jesus COULD have become a drunk he wished to use his FREE WILL that way. But no, Jesus used his FREE WILL to do as our father wanted him to. this happen before Jesus was even born...it's no getting around the fact that God impregnanted Mary so that he could give Jesus away ...like Mother like Son neither had any say so in the matter hence no "Free Will" ...everything was always foretold....that is what is meant by prophecy ....unless of course you are willing to admit that God makes mistakes and therefore not all prophecies by God come true Prophecy is a foretold action. Does not mean that it's pushed in that way. Like my prophecy is later today the sun will go down and early tomorrow the sun will come up. I have NO way of CAUSING this to happen, it's just a foreseen action. And it specifically says Mary was willing to take this on. An angel appeared to marry before this happened, she could have said right then and there she does not wish to take this on. So therefore no free will was taken away. Marry knew this was gonna happen before it did and she was ok with it. And still Jesus had the free will to live his life how he wished. But he used again his free will to do God's will. Again, Jesus could have turned out to be a drunk, a theif, a killer, and many other things. But he used his free will to complete what he was sent to do. Just because someone is sent for something does NOT mean it's taking away their free will. With that idea of looking at it, then wow even I have taken away people's free will by asking them to do something for me. again you keep trying to compare yourself to God...do you have the power to prohibit the Sun from rising...God supposedly have that power which is why he has the power to push events to full fill his prophecies .....so explain why God would make a prophecy that he couldn't full fill ... Again a prophecy is ONLY a foreseen actions. Does NOT mean it's pushed to happen. And yes God does have the power to push to have the prophecies fulfilled, but if he did he would have taken away someone's free will. But that doesn't happen, so we don't have to worry about it. And what in the world are you talking about God making a prophecy that couldn't be fulfilled? ALL the prophecies of God have been and or will be fulfilled. |
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No it's not a lie and you're missing my ENTIRE point. God may have given Jesus, BUT it was still Jesus' own free will to do with what he wanted. Jesus COULD have become a drunk he wished to use his FREE WILL that way. But no, Jesus used his FREE WILL to do as our father wanted him to. this happen before Jesus was even born...it's no getting around the fact that God impregnanted Mary so that he could give Jesus away ...like Mother like Son neither had any say so in the matter hence no "Free Will" ...everything was always foretold....that is what is meant by prophecy ....unless of course you are willing to admit that God makes mistakes and therefore not all prophecies by God come true Prophecy is a foretold action. Does not mean that it's pushed in that way. Like my prophecy is later today the sun will go down and early tomorrow the sun will come up. I have NO way of CAUSING this to happen, it's just a foreseen action. And it specifically says Mary was willing to take this on. An angel appeared to marry before this happened, she could have said right then and there she does not wish to take this on. So therefore no free will was taken away. Marry knew this was gonna happen before it did and she was ok with it. And still Jesus had the free will to live his life how he wished. But he used again his free will to do God's will. Again, Jesus could have turned out to be a drunk, a theif, a killer, and many other things. But he used his free will to complete what he was sent to do. Just because someone is sent for something does NOT mean it's taking away their free will. With that idea of looking at it, then wow even I have taken away people's free will by asking them to do something for me. again you keep trying to compare yourself to God...do you have the power to prohibit the Sun from rising...God supposedly have that power which is why he has the power to push events to full fill his prophecies .....so explain why God would make a prophecy that he couldn't full fill ... Again a prophecy is ONLY a foreseen actions. Does NOT mean it's pushed to happen. And yes God does have the power to push to have the prophecies fulfilled, but if he did he would have taken away someone's free will. But that doesn't happen, so we don't have to worry about it. And what in the world are you talking about God making a prophecy that couldn't be fulfilled? ALL the prophecies of God have been and or will be fulfilled. but you still haven't answer the question....how are his prophecies full fill if he doesn't push the events? |
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No it's not a lie and you're missing my ENTIRE point. God may have given Jesus, BUT it was still Jesus' own free will to do with what he wanted. Jesus COULD have become a drunk he wished to use his FREE WILL that way. But no, Jesus used his FREE WILL to do as our father wanted him to. this happen before Jesus was even born...it's no getting around the fact that God impregnanted Mary so that he could give Jesus away ...like Mother like Son neither had any say so in the matter hence no "Free Will" ...everything was always foretold....that is what is meant by prophecy ....unless of course you are willing to admit that God makes mistakes and therefore not all prophecies by God come true Prophecy is a foretold action. Does not mean that it's pushed in that way. Like my prophecy is later today the sun will go down and early tomorrow the sun will come up. I have NO way of CAUSING this to happen, it's just a foreseen action. And it specifically says Mary was willing to take this on. An angel appeared to marry before this happened, she could have said right then and there she does not wish to take this on. So therefore no free will was taken away. Marry knew this was gonna happen before it did and she was ok with it. And still Jesus had the free will to live his life how he wished. But he used again his free will to do God's will. Again, Jesus could have turned out to be a drunk, a theif, a killer, and many other things. But he used his free will to complete what he was sent to do. Just because someone is sent for something does NOT mean it's taking away their free will. With that idea of looking at it, then wow even I have taken away people's free will by asking them to do something for me. again you keep trying to compare yourself to God...do you have the power to prohibit the Sun from rising...God supposedly have that power which is why he has the power to push events to full fill his prophecies .....so explain why God would make a prophecy that he couldn't full fill ... Again a prophecy is ONLY a foreseen actions. Does NOT mean it's pushed to happen. And yes God does have the power to push to have the prophecies fulfilled, but if he did he would have taken away someone's free will. But that doesn't happen, so we don't have to worry about it. And what in the world are you talking about God making a prophecy that couldn't be fulfilled? ALL the prophecies of God have been and or will be fulfilled. but you still haven't answer the question....how are his prophecies full fill if he doesn't push the events? actions of other people. |
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No it's not a lie and you're missing my ENTIRE point. God may have given Jesus, BUT it was still Jesus' own free will to do with what he wanted. Jesus COULD have become a drunk he wished to use his FREE WILL that way. But no, Jesus used his FREE WILL to do as our father wanted him to. this happen before Jesus was even born...it's no getting around the fact that God impregnanted Mary so that he could give Jesus away ...like Mother like Son neither had any say so in the matter hence no "Free Will" ...everything was always foretold....that is what is meant by prophecy ....unless of course you are willing to admit that God makes mistakes and therefore not all prophecies by God come true Prophecy is a foretold action. Does not mean that it's pushed in that way. Like my prophecy is later today the sun will go down and early tomorrow the sun will come up. I have NO way of CAUSING this to happen, it's just a foreseen action. And it specifically says Mary was willing to take this on. An angel appeared to marry before this happened, she could have said right then and there she does not wish to take this on. So therefore no free will was taken away. Marry knew this was gonna happen before it did and she was ok with it. And still Jesus had the free will to live his life how he wished. But he used again his free will to do God's will. Again, Jesus could have turned out to be a drunk, a theif, a killer, and many other things. But he used his free will to complete what he was sent to do. Just because someone is sent for something does NOT mean it's taking away their free will. With that idea of looking at it, then wow even I have taken away people's free will by asking them to do something for me. again you keep trying to compare yourself to God...do you have the power to prohibit the Sun from rising...God supposedly have that power which is why he has the power to push events to full fill his prophecies .....so explain why God would make a prophecy that he couldn't full fill ... Again a prophecy is ONLY a foreseen actions. Does NOT mean it's pushed to happen. And yes God does have the power to push to have the prophecies fulfilled, but if he did he would have taken away someone's free will. But that doesn't happen, so we don't have to worry about it. And what in the world are you talking about God making a prophecy that couldn't be fulfilled? ALL the prophecies of God have been and or will be fulfilled. but you still haven't answer the question....how are his prophecies full fill if he doesn't push the events? actions of other people. explain how? ... |
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explain how? ... Definition of HOW 1a : in what manner or way b : for what reason : why c : with what meaning : to what effect d : by what name or title 2: to what degree or extent 3: in what state or condition <how are you> 4: at what price <how a score of ewes now — Shakespeare> |
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BUT we still have the ability, the option, the choice to disobey. Resulting in we still have free will. nope...once you disobey God you no longer have faith and therefore you are no longer a believer ..it's a catch 22 ....because you're damn if you do and/or damn if you don't ... that is why God is not supposed to interfer or influence ...because once he does... he takes away "Free Will" Once you disobey God you ask for forgiveness if you truly want it. God knows we will make mistakes and screw up time to time, and has offered forgiveness for this. And that doesn't mean you are no longer a believer. Just means you screwed up. Heck even outside of God, say with a girlfriend people will say things they didn't mean and even do things they didn't mean and will later on ask for forgiveness from that spouse. doesn't work that way...if you disobey your girlfriend she may give you hell for a while but she can't condemn you to hell forever.. but God can.... a believer would obey a direct command from God for that is the purpose of faith, they have blind trust that he supposedly knows what he is doing....a non-believer wouldn't trust God or trust that it was a God and this is why only a non-believer would not follow a direct command from God if Jesus was not God's to give away and God needed to ask for permission to give him away....then John 3:16 and Christianity is a lie and based on a lie Notice that "Heck even outside of God". The reference of the girlfriend had nothing to do with our soul. Was a simile to put it in more of a worldly way of looking at our actions and mistakes we make in life. Perhaps the posters could clarify some points for me as the conversation that is taking here, is not making sense. I have never met a Christian who does not believe that Jesus IS GOD. So my first question is for the participants involved in the conversation – Is Jesus God? |
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explain how? ... Definition of HOW 1a : in what manner or way b : for what reason : why c : with what meaning : to what effect d : by what name or title 2: to what degree or extent 3: in what state or condition <how are you> 4: at what price <how a score of ewes now — Shakespeare> the explanation as to "EXPLAIN HOW" requires one to run to the bible instead of running to the dictionary as a way to avoid answering the question |
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BUT we still have the ability, the option, the choice to disobey. Resulting in we still have free will. nope...once you disobey God you no longer have faith and therefore you are no longer a believer ..it's a catch 22 ....because you're damn if you do and/or damn if you don't ... that is why God is not supposed to interfer or influence ...because once he does... he takes away "Free Will" Once you disobey God you ask for forgiveness if you truly want it. God knows we will make mistakes and screw up time to time, and has offered forgiveness for this. And that doesn't mean you are no longer a believer. Just means you screwed up. Heck even outside of God, say with a girlfriend people will say things they didn't mean and even do things they didn't mean and will later on ask for forgiveness from that spouse. doesn't work that way...if you disobey your girlfriend she may give you hell for a while but she can't condemn you to hell forever.. but God can.... a believer would obey a direct command from God for that is the purpose of faith, they have blind trust that he supposedly knows what he is doing....a non-believer wouldn't trust God or trust that it was a God and this is why only a non-believer would not follow a direct command from God if Jesus was not God's to give away and God needed to ask for permission to give him away....then John 3:16 and Christianity is a lie and based on a lie Notice that "Heck even outside of God". The reference of the girlfriend had nothing to do with our soul. Was a simile to put it in more of a worldly way of looking at our actions and mistakes we make in life. Perhaps the posters could clarify some points for me as the conversation that is taking here, is not making sense. I have never met a Christian who does not believe that Jesus IS GOD. So my first question is for the participants involved in the conversation – Is Jesus God? Ummmm, no. And you still haven't "met" me, so you may continue with your presumptions of other's beliefs.... |
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explain how? ... Definition of HOW 1a : in what manner or way b : for what reason : why c : with what meaning : to what effect d : by what name or title 2: to what degree or extent 3: in what state or condition <how are you> 4: at what price <how a score of ewes now — Shakespeare> the explanation as to "EXPLAIN HOW" requires one to run to the bible instead of running to the dictionary as a way to avoid answering the question You were quite clear in your question. If I thought the definition of "how" was in the Bible, I would have looked there first... |
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BUT we still have the ability, the option, the choice to disobey. Resulting in we still have free will. nope...once you disobey God you no longer have faith and therefore you are no longer a believer ..it's a catch 22 ....because you're damn if you do and/or damn if you don't ... that is why God is not supposed to interfer or influence ...because once he does... he takes away "Free Will" Once you disobey God you ask for forgiveness if you truly want it. God knows we will make mistakes and screw up time to time, and has offered forgiveness for this. And that doesn't mean you are no longer a believer. Just means you screwed up. Heck even outside of God, say with a girlfriend people will say things they didn't mean and even do things they didn't mean and will later on ask for forgiveness from that spouse. doesn't work that way...if you disobey your girlfriend she may give you hell for a while but she can't condemn you to hell forever.. but God can.... a believer would obey a direct command from God for that is the purpose of faith, they have blind trust that he supposedly knows what he is doing....a non-believer wouldn't trust God or trust that it was a God and this is why only a non-believer would not follow a direct command from God if Jesus was not God's to give away and God needed to ask for permission to give him away....then John 3:16 and Christianity is a lie and based on a lie Notice that "Heck even outside of God". The reference of the girlfriend had nothing to do with our soul. Was a simile to put it in more of a worldly way of looking at our actions and mistakes we make in life. Perhaps the posters could clarify some points for me as the conversation that is taking here, is not making sense. I have never met a Christian who does not believe that Jesus IS GOD. So my first question is for the participants involved in the conversation – Is Jesus God? Ummmm, no. And you still haven't "met" me, so you may continue with your presumptions of other's beliefs.... I made no prsumption, I stated a fact, I have never met a Christian who did not believe that Jesus is God and so I asked those involved in the conversation to answer - is Jesus God? Obviously, as I am having difficulty following the logic being applied in the converstaion, I must not be understanding the premise from which the conversation has evolved. Questions are ususally considered an appropriate way to end confusion. If you have taken offence, let me say that none was meant to be given. |
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