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Mon 09/20/10 03:46 PM
Edited by DarkHour on Mon 09/20/10 03:47 PM
If you like facing fats and admire logic, a must see video by one of the greats….Richard Dawkins.

Richard Dawkins' unedited speech at 'Protest the Pope' march in London

Richard Dawkins takes the piss out of Pope Ratzinger in London on Saturday

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/punctuated-equilibrium/2010/sep/20/1


What do you think of Richard Dawkins is he right?

Redykeulous's photo
Mon 09/20/10 06:57 PM
Let’s see what was in Dawkins’ speech that I could argue with:

Well, it seems Pope Ratzinger blamed Hitlerism on atheists so Richard responded,
- Hitler was a Roman Catholic, who never renounced his baptism.

That’s true: and
- So if the Catholic church gets to account for their membership with baptismal records, then they can claim Hitler as well.

Can’t argue with that.

Then there’s more information which proves the Catholic Church supported Hitler:
>>>When Hitler escaped assassination in 1939 the Cardinal Arch Bishop of Munich ordered a special Te Duem in Munich Cathedral to thank Devine Providence in the name of the Archdiocese for the Fuhrer’s fortunate escape <<<

Well so far nothing to argue with. Then Dawkins reads a speech by Hitler (1922) in which Hitler states:
“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and savior as a fighter”
The speech goes on to explain how Hitler was just picking up where Jesus left off. That Jesus recognized Jewas for what they were and “summoned men to fight against them”. And that the blood Jesus shed was not as a sacrificial lamb rather, it was His cause, to fight the Jews and throw them out of the temple, for which he was crucified.

So Dawkins is attempting to defend atheists WITH FACTS against the Pope’s remarks – can’t argue with facts.
- As for Hitler, I suppose some Christians would argue with Hitler’s perspective BUT to be fair, Christian have almost as many beliefs as there are people who claim to be Christian – so why would anything Hitler claimed or did in the name of his beliefs be ‘contrary’ to Christianity?

Then Dawkins refers to the Roman Catholic doctrine (a doctrine many other Christians have also adopted) of ‘original sin’, as “The disgusting theory that leads them to presume that it was Godlessness that led Hitler and Stalin to be the monsters they were.”

Is it a disgusting theory? Yes, especially when considering all the factual doctrine that is behind it and how it’s taught to very young children. Basically what children learn from that doctrine is that “we are all monsters unless redeemed by Jesus.” Yep, disgusting. Further: “What a revolting, depraved, inhuman theory to base your life on.”

I think that last statement also included the idea that children are so indoctrinated by such psychological mind games. And since it’s done ‘on purpose’, it certainly element of being a “revolting, depraved, inhuman, theory.

“Joseph Ratzinger is an enemy of humanity”
And then goes to explain why:

- Of children whom he has allowed to be raped and whose minds he
encourages to be infected with guilt
- Of gay people – who are now the Churches object of bigotry
which used to be reserved only for Jews before 1962.
- Of women, barred from priesthood as though a penis was an
essential tool for pastoral duties
- Of truth with lies that condoms do not protect from AIDS,
especially in Africa.
- Of the poorest people, condemning them to inflated families
they cannot afford to feed which keeps them in perpetua poverty.

Mmm – sounds like Dawkins made some pretty good calls and backed up his words with facts. What’s to argue?

newarkjw's photo
Mon 09/20/10 07:15 PM

If you like facing fats and admire logic, a must see video by one of the greats….Richard Dawkins.

Richard Dawkins' unedited speech at 'Protest the Pope' march in London

Richard Dawkins takes the piss out of Pope Ratzinger in London on Saturday

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/punctuated-equilibrium/2010/sep/20/1


What do you think of Richard Dawkins is he right?


The dude that used to kiss all the chicks on the family feud?..........smokin

EquusDancer's photo
Tue 09/21/10 10:35 AM

If you like facing fats and admire logic, a must see video by one of the greats….Richard Dawkins.

Richard Dawkins' unedited speech at 'Protest the Pope' march in London

Richard Dawkins takes the piss out of Pope Ratzinger in London on Saturday

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/punctuated-equilibrium/2010/sep/20/1


What do you think of Richard Dawkins is he right?


Like him a lot! Both his religious views and his scientific views. Have been thoroughly enjoying his books as I pick them up.


MiddleEarthling's photo
Tue 09/21/10 04:25 PM

Let’s see what was in Dawkins’ speech that I could argue with:

Well, it seems Pope Ratzinger blamed Hitlerism on atheists so Richard responded,
- Hitler was a Roman Catholic, who never renounced his baptism.

That’s true: and
- So if the Catholic church gets to account for their membership with baptismal records, then they can claim Hitler as well.

Can’t argue with that.

Then there’s more information which proves the Catholic Church supported Hitler:
>>>When Hitler escaped assassination in 1939 the Cardinal Arch Bishop of Munich ordered a special Te Duem in Munich Cathedral to thank Devine Providence in the name of the Archdiocese for the Fuhrer’s fortunate escape <<<

Well so far nothing to argue with. Then Dawkins reads a speech by Hitler (1922) in which Hitler states:
“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and savior as a fighter”
The speech goes on to explain how Hitler was just picking up where Jesus left off. That Jesus recognized Jewas for what they were and “summoned men to fight against them”. And that the blood Jesus shed was not as a sacrificial lamb rather, it was His cause, to fight the Jews and throw them out of the temple, for which he was crucified.

So Dawkins is attempting to defend atheists WITH FACTS against the Pope’s remarks – can’t argue with facts.
- As for Hitler, I suppose some Christians would argue with Hitler’s perspective BUT to be fair, Christian have almost as many beliefs as there are people who claim to be Christian – so why would anything Hitler claimed or did in the name of his beliefs be ‘contrary’ to Christianity?

Then Dawkins refers to the Roman Catholic doctrine (a doctrine many other Christians have also adopted) of ‘original sin’, as “The disgusting theory that leads them to presume that it was Godlessness that led Hitler and Stalin to be the monsters they were.”

Is it a disgusting theory? Yes, especially when considering all the factual doctrine that is behind it and how it’s taught to very young children. Basically what children learn from that doctrine is that “we are all monsters unless redeemed by Jesus.” Yep, disgusting. Further: “What a revolting, depraved, inhuman theory to base your life on.”

I think that last statement also included the idea that children are so indoctrinated by such psychological mind games. And since it’s done ‘on purpose’, it certainly element of being a “revolting, depraved, inhuman, theory.

“Joseph Ratzinger is an enemy of humanity”
And then goes to explain why:

- Of children whom he has allowed to be raped and whose minds he
encourages to be infected with guilt
- Of gay people – who are now the Churches object of bigotry
which used to be reserved only for Jews before 1962.
- Of women, barred from priesthood as though a penis was an
essential tool for pastoral duties
- Of truth with lies that condoms do not protect from AIDS,
especially in Africa.
- Of the poorest people, condemning them to inflated families
they cannot afford to feed which keeps them in perpetua poverty.

Mmm – sounds like Dawkins made some pretty good calls and backed up his words with facts. What’s to argue?



Dawkins is an amazing person, a sharp mind. He's right about Hitler, the Christians cannot erase the truth of history...THEY own Hitler and should share in most of the blame for 6 million Jews being killed and eventually up to 57 million people killed in WWII...FF to more recent times when the Christians supported the Dippic into office and since then over a million Arabs have been killed....bankrupted us and left us hurting...gee thanks thumpers, who ya going to prop up next to do your "evil" deeds for you?
EH?

Religion is the ball and chain of humanity.


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Wed 09/22/10 12:23 AM

Let’s see what was in Dawkins’ speech that I could argue with:

Well, it seems Pope Ratzinger blamed Hitlerism on atheists so Richard responded,
- Hitler was a Roman Catholic, who never renounced his baptism.

That’s true: and
- So if the Catholic church gets to account for their membership with baptismal records, then they can claim Hitler as well.

Can’t argue with that.

Then there’s more information which proves the Catholic Church supported Hitler:
>>>When Hitler escaped assassination in 1939 the Cardinal Arch Bishop of Munich ordered a special Te Duem in Munich Cathedral to thank Devine Providence in the name of the Archdiocese for the Fuhrer’s fortunate escape <<<

Well so far nothing to argue with. Then Dawkins reads a speech by Hitler (1922) in which Hitler states:
“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and savior as a fighter”
The speech goes on to explain how Hitler was just picking up where Jesus left off. That Jesus recognized Jewas for what they were and “summoned men to fight against them”. And that the blood Jesus shed was not as a sacrificial lamb rather, it was His cause, to fight the Jews and throw them out of the temple, for which he was crucified.

So Dawkins is attempting to defend atheists WITH FACTS against the Pope’s remarks – can’t argue with facts.
- As for Hitler, I suppose some Christians would argue with Hitler’s perspective BUT to be fair, Christian have almost as many beliefs as there are people who claim to be Christian – so why would anything Hitler claimed or did in the name of his beliefs be ‘contrary’ to Christianity?

Then Dawkins refers to the Roman Catholic doctrine (a doctrine many other Christians have also adopted) of ‘original sin’, as “The disgusting theory that leads them to presume that it was Godlessness that led Hitler and Stalin to be the monsters they were.”

Is it a disgusting theory? Yes, especially when considering all the factual doctrine that is behind it and how it’s taught to very young children. Basically what children learn from that doctrine is that “we are all monsters unless redeemed by Jesus.” Yep, disgusting. Further: “What a revolting, depraved, inhuman theory to base your life on.”

I think that last statement also included the idea that children are so indoctrinated by such psychological mind games. And since it’s done ‘on purpose’, it certainly element of being a “revolting, depraved, inhuman, theory.

“Joseph Ratzinger is an enemy of humanity”
And then goes to explain why:

- Of children whom he has allowed to be raped and whose minds he
encourages to be infected with guilt
- Of gay people – who are now the Churches object of bigotry
which used to be reserved only for Jews before 1962.
- Of women, barred from priesthood as though a penis was an
essential tool for pastoral duties
- Of truth with lies that condoms do not protect from AIDS,
especially in Africa.
- Of the poorest people, condemning them to inflated families
they cannot afford to feed which keeps them in perpetua poverty.

Mmm – sounds like Dawkins made some pretty good calls and backed up his words with facts. What’s to argue?



Well Dawkins certianly has his facts screwed up in a big way.I laughed several times reading this article.I could see how your 5th grade educated Atheist might believe some of this garbage.Anyone with half a brain can and a history book can see what the real FACTS are.Does Dawkins every stop to thinkt that Hitler LIED to get the peoples support for his causes?


Anytime I hear that Hitler was a Christian I shake my head noway .Jesus Christ was a Jew.He lived as a Jew and he died as a Jew.The bible he spoke about was written by Jews and used for the Jewish religion.

I really don't think I need to educate the Athiest on Hitlers views of the Jews.Hitler demanded all books written by Jews to be burned.Do you really think Hitler would spare a book owned by all Jews and held most sacred by all Jews "The Holy bible" not to be burned?

So if you are seriously going to tell me that after all the Jewish book burnings,the Jewish executions in the streets,and the final solution of millions of Jews destroyed in camps.Hitler is going to sit down in church and not only submit to a Jew but also worship a Jew and listen to verses spoken out of a Jewish bible you are crazy.Hitler bowed to no one and even claimed he was God.He never said anyone including God or Jesus was superior to him.


Anyone can write something Hilter said and claim he said it.It is not fact or fiction.You can determine the truth of his statements by comparing him to his actions time and time again.Hitlers actions and statements do not in any way line up with anything Christian related and everything Atheist related.


Ask any historian,any teacher,any professor if Hitler was kind or supporting to the Christian religion.Hitler was just as brutal with the nuns,and priests as he was with the Jews.Why?Because the church opposed his power and his goals.You really think all powerful all demanding Hilter would let the churches operate preaching that God is the superior power and Hilter was second to God and Jesus.Hitler burned churches down every where they went and killed nuns and priests.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_ethnic_Poles

"Persecution of Catholic clergy"

"The Roman Catholic Church was suppressed in the annexed territory of Reichsgau Wartheland more harshly than elsewhere.[40] Churches were systematically closed, and most priests were either killed, imprisoned, or deported to the General Government.[40] The Germans also closed seminaries and convents persecuting monks and nuns throughout Poland.[1] In Pomerania, all but 20 of the 650 priests were shot or sent to concentration camps. Between 1939 and 1945, 2,935 members[41] of the Polish clergy (18%[42]) were killed in concentration camps. In the city of Wrocław (Breslau), 49% of its Catholic priests were killed; in Chełmno, 48%. One hundred and eight of them are regarded as blessed martyrs. Among them, Maximilian Kolbe was canonized as a saint".


Allow me to post some of Hitlers comments concerning religion.

We are the joyous Hitler youth,
We do not need any Christian virtue
Our leader is our savior
The Pope and Rabbi shall be gone
We want to be pagans once again.”

- Song sung by Hitler youth


“The Ten Commandments have lost their validity. Conscience is a Jewish invention, it is a blemish like circumcision.”

“If only one country, for whatever reason, tolerates a Jewish family in it, that family will become the germ center for fresh sedition. If one little Jewish boy survives without any Jewish education, with no synagogue and no Hebrew school, it [Judaism] is in his soul. Even if there had never been a synagogue or a Jewish school or an Old Testament, the Jewish spirit would still exist and exert its influence. It has been there from the beginning and there is no Jew, not a single one, who does not personify it.”

“The heaviest blow which ever struck humanity was Christianity; Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew.”

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.


The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.

The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea.

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease.

There is something very unhealthy about Christianity



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Wed 09/22/10 02:36 PM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Wed 09/22/10 02:40 PM
"We are the joyous Hitler youth,
We do not need any Christian virtue
Our leader is our savior
The Pope and Rabbi shall be gone
We want to be pagans once again"

References please (that apply this to anything Hitler wrote concerning bashing Christianity). He never has in public nor is there anything in his writings about it. The fact is that Hitler was a Christian and used the Christian support to seize power...then kill 57 million people...then we get the god given Dippic and we're STILL suffering from that disaster.



“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

"Hitler’s involvement with the Church:

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party
g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.

Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.” (If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)

h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism


How Christianity was the catalyst of the Holocaust:

Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs."


More...much much more.

http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian.htm

Disregard the posts using Hitler's Secret Diaries or the ones about his personal discussions...they are all hearsay, nothing more. The deniers are out there trying to clear Christianity's roll in most all our past wars and conflicts. I only bring this stuff up because we cannot let this keep happening again...and again. People need to vote as Americans FIRST rather that JESUS first. It's that simple.














Redykeulous's photo
Wed 09/22/10 06:59 PM

"We are the joyous Hitler youth,
We do not need any Christian virtue
Our leader is our savior
The Pope and Rabbi shall be gone
We want to be pagans once again"

References please (that apply this to anything Hitler wrote concerning bashing Christianity). He never has in public nor is there anything in his writings about it. The fact is that Hitler was a Christian and used the Christian support to seize power...then kill 57 million people...then we get the god given Dippic and we're STILL suffering from that disaster.



“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

"Hitler’s involvement with the Church:

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party
g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.

Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.” (If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)

h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism


How Christianity was the catalyst of the Holocaust:

Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs."


More...much much more.

http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian.htm

Disregard the posts using Hitler's Secret Diaries or the ones about his personal discussions...they are all hearsay, nothing more. The deniers are out there trying to clear Christianity's roll in most all our past wars and conflicts. I only bring this stuff up because we cannot let this keep happening again...and again. People need to vote as Americans FIRST rather that JESUS first. It's that simple.



Very good, thanks for posting it.







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Wed 09/22/10 07:06 PM
Wow your giving me information from evilbible.com?I am really supposed to believe anything from a obviously anti Christian website that will post any kind of rant from anyone regardless if it is credible or not?



Hitler just like any person on this planet can claim to be anything they want including saying they are a Christian.You can call yourself a Christian and and go whoring every night,rob liquor stores,rape women,and go on a murdering spree.It is your actions and actions alone that determine if you are a real Christian or a man pretending to be a Christian.Where do yo draw the line by determining if someone is really a Christian or not?Nothing Hitler did was ever justified using the bible.Nothing Hitler was doing was Christ like,good,forgiving,or biblical correct.Hitler was a Anti Christ who was killing Gods chosen people.


Anyone can see that Hitler was the exact opposite of a Christian man for these reasons.

"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

...Hitler believed he was God and people should worship him as such.Hitler did not submit to God or Jesus in any way or consider them superior to him.He wanted the Christian religion abolished along with the bible.


TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'


Hitler used the Swatica as his symbol for murder everywhere he went.Big photos of Hitler were on every street corner


THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

Hitler called the Jews and the God they worshiped every deplorable name in the book thousands of time.

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

Hitler did not practice any Jewish tradations.


FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'


SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

Hitler wanted everyone killed who was not white skinned German blood.

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'
Can't comment on that one.

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

Hitlers Army stole or destroyed everything in site.

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

Claiming the Jews were the reasons for the worlds problems is a good start.

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

Hitler wanted the world and everything in it.



http://www.phc.edu/gj_3_schirrmacher_%20ns_%20final.php


The official song of the Hitlerjugend (‘Youth of Hitler’) at the Reichsparteitag 1934:

"We are Hitler’s joyous youth,
What need we Christian virtue!,
Our Fuehrer Adolf Hitler
Is always our redeemer!
No wicked priest can hinder us,
To sense that we are Hitler’s children;
We follow not Christ but Horst Wessel,
Away with incense and holy water!."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany#Nazi_Attitudes_towards_Christianity

In 1941, Martin Bormann, a close associate of Hitler said publicly "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable".[51] In 1942 he also declared in a confidential memo to Gauleiters that the Christian Churches 'must absolutely and finally be broken.' Thus it is evident that he believed Nazism, based as it was on a 'scientific' world-view, to be completely incompatible with Christianity.[52]

When we [National Socialists] speak of belief in God, we do not mean, like the naive Christians and their spiritual exploiters, a man-like being sitting around somewhere in the universe. The force governed by natural law by which all these countless planets move in the universe, we call omnipotence or God. The assertion that this universal force can trouble itself about the destiny of each individual being, every smallest earthly bacillus, can be influenced by so-called prayers or other surprising things, depends upon a requisite dose of naivety or else upon shameless professional self-interest.[53]

Other members of the Hitler government, including Rosenberg, during the war formulated a thirty-point program for the "National Reich Church" which included:

1. The National Reich Church specifically demands the immediate turning over to its possession of all churches and chapels, to become national churches.


5. The National Reich Church is immutably fixed in its one objective: to destroy that Christian belief imported into Germany in the unfortunate year 800, whose tenets conflict with both the heart and mentality of the German.


13. The National Reich Church demands the immediate cessation of the printing of the Bible, as well as its dissemination, throughout the Reich and colonies. All Sunday papers with any religious content shall also be suppressed.


14. The National Reich Church shall see that the importation of the Bible and other religious works into Reich territory is made impossible.

15. The National Reich Church decrees that the most important document of all time-therefore the guiding document of the German people-is the book of our Fuhrer, “Mein Kampf.” It recognizes that this book contains the principles of the purist ethnic morals under which the German people must live.

16. The National Reich Church will see to it that this book spread its active forces among the entire population and that all Germans live by it.

18. The National Reich Church will remove from the altars of all churches the Bible, the cross and religious objects.

19. In their places will be set that which must be venerated by the German people and therefore is by God, our most saintly book, “Mein Kampf,” and to the left of this a sword.

21. In the National Reich Church there will be no remission of sins; its tenet is that, once committed, a sin is irrevocable and will be implacably punished by the laws of nature and in this world.


30. On the day of the foundation of the National Reich Church the Christian cross shall be removed from all churches, cathedrals, and chapels inside the frontiers of the Reich and its colonies and will be replaced by the symbol of invincible Germany-the swastika.


http://www.boundless.org/2001/regulars/kaufman/a0000541.html


"You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

(Adolf Hitler, quoted by Albert Speer, p. 96, Inside the Third Reich.)


"If Jehovah has lost all meaning for us Germans, the same must be said of Jesus Christ, his son...He certainly lacks those characteristics which he would require to be a true German. Indeed, he is as disappointing, if we read his record carefully, as is his father.-- E. K. Heidemann, 'What the Christian Does not Know about Christianity,' September, 1935, quoted p. 105, The War Against God, edited by Carl Carmer).





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Let’s see what was in Dawkins’ speech that I could argue with:

Well, it seems Pope Ratzinger blamed Hitlerism on atheists so Richard responded,
- Hitler was a Roman Catholic, who never renounced his baptism.

That’s true: and
- So if the Catholic church gets to account for their membership with baptismal records, then they can claim Hitler as well.

Can’t argue with that.

Then there’s more information which proves the Catholic Church supported Hitler:
>>>When Hitler escaped assassination in 1939 the Cardinal Arch Bishop of Munich ordered a special Te Duem in Munich Cathedral to thank Devine Providence in the name of the Archdiocese for the Fuhrer’s fortunate escape <<<

Well so far nothing to argue with. Then Dawkins reads a speech by Hitler (1922) in which Hitler states:
“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and savior as a fighter”
The speech goes on to explain how Hitler was just picking up where Jesus left off. That Jesus recognized Jewas for what they were and “summoned men to fight against them”. And that the blood Jesus shed was not as a sacrificial lamb rather, it was His cause, to fight the Jews and throw them out of the temple, for which he was crucified.

So Dawkins is attempting to defend atheists WITH FACTS against the Pope’s remarks – can’t argue with facts.
- As for Hitler, I suppose some Christians would argue with Hitler’s perspective BUT to be fair, Christian have almost as many beliefs as there are people who claim to be Christian – so why would anything Hitler claimed or did in the name of his beliefs be ‘contrary’ to Christianity?

Then Dawkins refers to the Roman Catholic doctrine (a doctrine many other Christians have also adopted) of ‘original sin’, as “The disgusting theory that leads them to presume that it was Godlessness that led Hitler and Stalin to be the monsters they were.”

Is it a disgusting theory? Yes, especially when considering all the factual doctrine that is behind it and how it’s taught to very young children. Basically what children learn from that doctrine is that “we are all monsters unless redeemed by Jesus.” Yep, disgusting. Further: “What a revolting, depraved, inhuman theory to base your life on.”

I think that last statement also included the idea that children are so indoctrinated by such psychological mind games. And since it’s done ‘on purpose’, it certainly element of being a “revolting, depraved, inhuman, theory.

“Joseph Ratzinger is an enemy of humanity”
And then goes to explain why:

- Of children whom he has allowed to be raped and whose minds he
encourages to be infected with guilt
- Of gay people – who are now the Churches object of bigotry
which used to be reserved only for Jews before 1962.
- Of women, barred from priesthood as though a penis was an
essential tool for pastoral duties
- Of truth with lies that condoms do not protect from AIDS,
especially in Africa.
- Of the poorest people, condemning them to inflated families
they cannot afford to feed which keeps them in perpetua poverty.

Mmm – sounds like Dawkins made some pretty good calls and backed up his words with facts. What’s to argue?





You Atheist are not too bright.We have been over this issue so many times yet lets post another worthless,useless,article thinking that maybe someone will say "Wow this is a great article".As usual since you brought up this nonsense I will have to yet again bring this post down to it's knees where it will be forgotten once again.


Well Dawkins certianly has his facts screwed up in a big way.I laughed several times reading this article.I could see how your 5th grade educated Atheist might believe some of this garbage.Anyone with half a brain can and a history book can see what the real FACTS are.Does Dawkins every stop to thinkt that Hitler LIED to get the peoples support for his causes?


Anytime I hear that Hitler was a Christian I shake my head noway .Jesus Christ was a Jew.He lived as a Jew and he died as a Jew.The bible he spoke about was written by Jews and used for the Jewish religion.

I really don't think I need to educate the Athiest on Hitlers views of the Jews.Hitler demanded all books written by Jews to be burned.Do you really think Hitler would spare a book owned by all Jews and held most sacred by all Jews "The Holy bible" not to be burned?

So if you are seriously going to tell me that after all the Jewish book burnings,the Jewish executions in the streets,and the final solution of millions of Jews destroyed in camps.Hitler is going to sit down in church and not only submit to a Jew but also worship a Jew and listen to verses spoken out of a Jewish bible you are crazy.Hitler bowed to no one and even claimed he was God.He never said anyone including God or Jesus was superior to him.


Anyone can write something Hilter said and claim he said it.It is not fact or fiction.You can determine the truth of his statements by comparing him to his actions time and time again.Hitlers actions and statements do not in any way line up with anything Christian related and everything Atheist related.


Ask any historian,any teacher,any professor if Hitler was kind or supporting to the Christian religion.Hitler was just as brutal with the nuns,and priests as he was with the Jews.Why?Because the church opposed his power and his goals.You really think all powerful all demanding Hilter would let the churches operate preaching that God is the superior power and Hilter was second to God and Jesus.Hitler burned churches down every where they went and killed nuns and priests.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_ethnic_Poles

"Persecution of Catholic clergy"

"The Roman Catholic Church was suppressed in the annexed territory of Reichsgau Wartheland more harshly than elsewhere.[40] Churches were systematically closed, and most priests were either killed, imprisoned, or deported to the General Government.[40] The Germans also closed seminaries and convents persecuting monks and nuns throughout Poland.[1] In Pomerania, all but 20 of the 650 priests were shot or sent to concentration camps. Between 1939 and 1945, 2,935 members[41] of the Polish clergy (18%[42]) were killed in concentration camps. In the city of Wrocław (Breslau), 49% of its Catholic priests were killed; in Chełmno, 48%. One hundred and eight of them are regarded as blessed martyrs. Among them, Maximilian Kolbe was canonized as a saint".


Allow me to post some of Hitlers comments concerning religion.

We are the joyous Hitler youth,
We do not need any Christian virtue
Our leader is our savior
The Pope and Rabbi shall be gone
We want to be pagans once again.”

- Song sung by Hitler youth


“The Ten Commandments have lost their validity. Conscience is a Jewish invention, it is a blemish like circumcision.”

“If only one country, for whatever reason, tolerates a Jewish family in it, that family will become the germ center for fresh sedition. If one little Jewish boy survives without any Jewish education, with no synagogue and no Hebrew school, it [Judaism] is in his soul. Even if there had never been a synagogue or a Jewish school or an Old Testament, the Jewish spirit would still exist and exert its influence. It has been there from the beginning and there is no Jew, not a single one, who does not personify it.”

“The heaviest blow which ever struck humanity was Christianity; Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew.”happy

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.


The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.

The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea.

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease.

There is something very unhealthy about Christianity





I didn’t know Jews got baptised?

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Thu 09/23/10 06:44 AM

Wow your giving me information from evilbible.com?I am really supposed to believe anything from a obviously anti Christian website that will post any kind of rant from anyone regardless if it is credible or not?



Hitler just like any person on this planet can claim to be anything they want including saying they are a Christian.You can call yourself a Christian and and go whoring every night,rob liquor stores,rape women,and go on a murdering spree.It is your actions and actions alone that determine if you are a real Christian or a man pretending to be a Christian.Where do yo draw the line by determining if someone is really a Christian or not?Nothing Hitler did was ever justified using the bible.Nothing Hitler was doing was Christ like,good,forgiving,or biblical correct.Hitler was a Anti Christ who was killing Gods chosen people.


Anyone can see that Hitler was the exact opposite of a Christian man for these reasons.

"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

...Hitler believed he was God and people should worship him as such.Hitler did not submit to God or Jesus in any way or consider them superior to him.He wanted the Christian religion abolished along with the bible.


TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'


Hitler used the Swatica as his symbol for murder everywhere he went.Big photos of Hitler were on every street corner


THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

Hitler called the Jews and the God they worshiped every deplorable name in the book thousands of time.

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

Hitler did not practice any Jewish tradations.


FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'


SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

Hitler wanted everyone killed who was not white skinned German blood.

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'
Can't comment on that one.

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

Hitlers Army stole or destroyed everything in site.

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

Claiming the Jews were the reasons for the worlds problems is a good start.

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

Hitler wanted the world and everything in it.



http://www.phc.edu/gj_3_schirrmacher_%20ns_%20final.php


The official song of the Hitlerjugend (‘Youth of Hitler’) at the Reichsparteitag 1934:

"We are Hitler’s joyous youth,
What need we Christian virtue!,
Our Fuehrer Adolf Hitler
Is always our redeemer!
No wicked priest can hinder us,
To sense that we are Hitler’s children;
We follow not Christ but Horst Wessel,
Away with incense and holy water!."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany#Nazi_Attitudes_towards_Christianity

In 1941, Martin Bormann, a close associate of Hitler said publicly "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable".[51] In 1942 he also declared in a confidential memo to Gauleiters that the Christian Churches 'must absolutely and finally be broken.' Thus it is evident that he believed Nazism, based as it was on a 'scientific' world-view, to be completely incompatible with Christianity.[52]

When we [National Socialists] speak of belief in God, we do not mean, like the naive Christians and their spiritual exploiters, a man-like being sitting around somewhere in the universe. The force governed by natural law by which all these countless planets move in the universe, we call omnipotence or God. The assertion that this universal force can trouble itself about the destiny of each individual being, every smallest earthly bacillus, can be influenced by so-called prayers or other surprising things, depends upon a requisite dose of naivety or else upon shameless professional self-interest.[53]

Other members of the Hitler government, including Rosenberg, during the war formulated a thirty-point program for the "National Reich Church" which included:

1. The National Reich Church specifically demands the immediate turning over to its possession of all churches and chapels, to become national churches.


5. The National Reich Church is immutably fixed in its one objective: to destroy that Christian belief imported into Germany in the unfortunate year 800, whose tenets conflict with both the heart and mentality of the German.


13. The National Reich Church demands the immediate cessation of the printing of the Bible, as well as its dissemination, throughout the Reich and colonies. All Sunday papers with any religious content shall also be suppressed.


14. The National Reich Church shall see that the importation of the Bible and other religious works into Reich territory is made impossible.

15. The National Reich Church decrees that the most important document of all time-therefore the guiding document of the German people-is the book of our Fuhrer, “Mein Kampf.” It recognizes that this book contains the principles of the purist ethnic morals under which the German people must live.

16. The National Reich Church will see to it that this book spread its active forces among the entire population and that all Germans live by it.

18. The National Reich Church will remove from the altars of all churches the Bible, the cross and religious objects.

19. In their places will be set that which must be venerated by the German people and therefore is by God, our most saintly book, “Mein Kampf,” and to the left of this a sword.

21. In the National Reich Church there will be no remission of sins; its tenet is that, once committed, a sin is irrevocable and will be implacably punished by the laws of nature and in this world.


30. On the day of the foundation of the National Reich Church the Christian cross shall be removed from all churches, cathedrals, and chapels inside the frontiers of the Reich and its colonies and will be replaced by the symbol of invincible Germany-the swastika.


http://www.boundless.org/2001/regulars/kaufman/a0000541.html


"You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

(Adolf Hitler, quoted by Albert Speer, p. 96, Inside the Third Reich.)


"If Jehovah has lost all meaning for us Germans, the same must be said of Jesus Christ, his son...He certainly lacks those characteristics which he would require to be a true German. Indeed, he is as disappointing, if we read his record carefully, as is his father.-- E. K. Heidemann, 'What the Christian Does not Know about Christianity,' September, 1935, quoted p. 105, The War Against God, edited by Carl Carmer).







Ha, In 1941, Martin Bormann, a close associate of Hitler said publicly "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable"."


HEARSAY! That crap was the beginning of the clean up by Christians in a lame attempt to hide the fact that Hitler was ...one you you.

Show me a speech or reference a text from Hitler...not from the people trying to revise history...

Got any? Didn't think so...

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Thu 09/23/10 08:05 AM


Wow your giving me information from evilbible.com?I am really supposed to believe anything from a obviously anti Christian website that will post any kind of rant from anyone regardless if it is credible or not?



Hitler just like any person on this planet can claim to be anything they want including saying they are a Christian.You can call yourself a Christian and and go whoring every night,rob liquor stores,rape women,and go on a murdering spree.It is your actions and actions alone that determine if you are a real Christian or a man pretending to be a Christian.Where do yo draw the line by determining if someone is really a Christian or not?Nothing Hitler did was ever justified using the bible.Nothing Hitler was doing was Christ like,good,forgiving,or biblical correct.Hitler was a Anti Christ who was killing Gods chosen people.


Anyone can see that Hitler was the exact opposite of a Christian man for these reasons.

"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

...Hitler believed he was God and people should worship him as such.Hitler did not submit to God or Jesus in any way or consider them superior to him.He wanted the Christian religion abolished along with the bible.


TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'


Hitler used the Swatica as his symbol for murder everywhere he went.Big photos of Hitler were on every street corner


THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

Hitler called the Jews and the God they worshiped every deplorable name in the book thousands of time.

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

Hitler did not practice any Jewish tradations.


FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'


SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

Hitler wanted everyone killed who was not white skinned German blood.

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'
Can't comment on that one.

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

Hitlers Army stole or destroyed everything in site.

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

Claiming the Jews were the reasons for the worlds problems is a good start.

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

Hitler wanted the world and everything in it.



http://www.phc.edu/gj_3_schirrmacher_%20ns_%20final.php


The official song of the Hitlerjugend (‘Youth of Hitler’) at the Reichsparteitag 1934:

"We are Hitler’s joyous youth,
What need we Christian virtue!,
Our Fuehrer Adolf Hitler
Is always our redeemer!
No wicked priest can hinder us,
To sense that we are Hitler’s children;
We follow not Christ but Horst Wessel,
Away with incense and holy water!."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany#Nazi_Attitudes_towards_Christianity

In 1941, Martin Bormann, a close associate of Hitler said publicly "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable".[51] In 1942 he also declared in a confidential memo to Gauleiters that the Christian Churches 'must absolutely and finally be broken.' Thus it is evident that he believed Nazism, based as it was on a 'scientific' world-view, to be completely incompatible with Christianity.[52]

When we [National Socialists] speak of belief in God, we do not mean, like the naive Christians and their spiritual exploiters, a man-like being sitting around somewhere in the universe. The force governed by natural law by which all these countless planets move in the universe, we call omnipotence or God. The assertion that this universal force can trouble itself about the destiny of each individual being, every smallest earthly bacillus, can be influenced by so-called prayers or other surprising things, depends upon a requisite dose of naivety or else upon shameless professional self-interest.[53]

Other members of the Hitler government, including Rosenberg, during the war formulated a thirty-point program for the "National Reich Church" which included:

1. The National Reich Church specifically demands the immediate turning over to its possession of all churches and chapels, to become national churches.


5. The National Reich Church is immutably fixed in its one objective: to destroy that Christian belief imported into Germany in the unfortunate year 800, whose tenets conflict with both the heart and mentality of the German.


13. The National Reich Church demands the immediate cessation of the printing of the Bible, as well as its dissemination, throughout the Reich and colonies. All Sunday papers with any religious content shall also be suppressed.


14. The National Reich Church shall see that the importation of the Bible and other religious works into Reich territory is made impossible.

15. The National Reich Church decrees that the most important document of all time-therefore the guiding document of the German people-is the book of our Fuhrer, “Mein Kampf.” It recognizes that this book contains the principles of the purist ethnic morals under which the German people must live.

16. The National Reich Church will see to it that this book spread its active forces among the entire population and that all Germans live by it.

18. The National Reich Church will remove from the altars of all churches the Bible, the cross and religious objects.

19. In their places will be set that which must be venerated by the German people and therefore is by God, our most saintly book, “Mein Kampf,” and to the left of this a sword.

21. In the National Reich Church there will be no remission of sins; its tenet is that, once committed, a sin is irrevocable and will be implacably punished by the laws of nature and in this world.


30. On the day of the foundation of the National Reich Church the Christian cross shall be removed from all churches, cathedrals, and chapels inside the frontiers of the Reich and its colonies and will be replaced by the symbol of invincible Germany-the swastika.


http://www.boundless.org/2001/regulars/kaufman/a0000541.html


"You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

(Adolf Hitler, quoted by Albert Speer, p. 96, Inside the Third Reich.)


"If Jehovah has lost all meaning for us Germans, the same must be said of Jesus Christ, his son...He certainly lacks those characteristics which he would require to be a true German. Indeed, he is as disappointing, if we read his record carefully, as is his father.-- E. K. Heidemann, 'What the Christian Does not Know about Christianity,' September, 1935, quoted p. 105, The War Against God, edited by Carl Carmer).







Ha, In 1941, Martin Bormann, a close associate of Hitler said publicly "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable"."


HEARSAY! That crap was the beginning of the clean up by Christians in a lame attempt to hide the fact that Hitler was ...one you you.

Show me a speech or reference a text from Hitler...not from the people trying to revise history...

Got any? Didn't think so...


Oh but Hitler wasn't a Christian regardless if he claimed to be. Being a Christian is much more then just saying you are, it's a lifestyle. Proof is in the pudding if you will. Someone can claim they are Christian but if they go off mass murdering thousands of people, their actions speak differently then their words and thus they obviously aren't a Christian.

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Thu 09/23/10 09:56 AM
oi vay...

Was Hitler a christian?
There are several well documented instances where he claimed he was.
I believe there are also several instances where he or other Nazi leaders claimed they were doing "God's work".
However, I think it most likely Hitler and other Nazi leaders claimed christianity like most politicians claim christianity--to better influence the dumb masses.
There is no better way to whip up a frenzy than religion. Hitler, though crazy and just plain evil, wasn't stupid. Germany was going through a rough time in the early 1930's. Hitler needed a scapegoat to rally the people against and the Jews have long been such for christianity. Hitler capitolized on the simmering distrust and hatred for Jews that christianity has had since it's inception.

Did the Nazis kill christian religious leaders, nuns and priests, in the countries they invaded? Yes. The Nazis tended to kill anyone who spoke out against them, especially if they had a public forum. And I'm betting there were quite a few nuns and priests who didn't appreciate their homeland being invaded.

Is it unreasonable to suppose that Hitler forsaw a time where he believed he'd be sharing power with the church? And having forseen such a time, took steps to insure that the next generation only worshipped the state? I believe it is not. Thus the Hitler youth song.

So, did Hitler really believe God was on his side? Noone will ever know for sure. But since christains on the whole can't all agree on what constitutes a "christain" anyway, does it really matter? He obviously used christianity to his own purposes. This is well documented and not in dispute by historians. To say otherwise is to try to rewrite history.

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Thu 09/23/10 10:05 AM
Quotes from Other Nazis about Hitler and Religion:

"Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide." (Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer page 95-96)


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Thu 09/23/10 10:18 AM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Thu 09/23/10 10:55 AM

Quotes from Other Nazis about Hitler and Religion:

"Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide." (Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer page 95-96)




http://www.nobeliefs.com/HitlerSources.htm

Another good source above...Hitler was indeed a practicing Christian and just like present day Christains he picked and choose what to follow from that little bible thingy and what to say to the faithful to convince them he was the real deal. Christians tend to be very gullible people...as proven from their supporting the Dippic into office...gee, how'd that work out?

ALL quotes of Hitler denouncing christianity are HEARSAY...and lies made to fit the present day Christian's denials so they can keep theri delusion alive and (knowingly or not) continue damaging humanity...in the name of their "lord".

Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)"

How about something from HIS BOOK??? His actual writings...

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)"

Christians have a lot of nerve to deny their damages...next they will be voting for Sarah Palin JUST because she carries the C banner...when will you people stop supporting moronic and hateful people? Do you have ANY idea the damage you do?..oh yeah, musta been "god's will"

Grow up, get help for your mental disorders, faith is one thing that's personal but pushing your "truth" is destroying humanity and leaving it ignorant in the ashes.








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Thu 09/23/10 10:46 AM
CowboyGH Oh but Hitler wasn't a Christian regardless if he claimed to be. Being a Christian is much more then just saying you are, it's a lifestyle. Proof is in the pudding if you will. Someone can claim they are Christian but if they go off mass murdering thousands of people, their actions speak differently then their words and thus they obviously aren't a Christian.


hold on a minute -what is sin according to the bible? Is homosexuality, rape and adultery less of a sin than murder?

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Thu 09/23/10 11:07 AM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Thu 09/23/10 11:53 AM

CowboyGH Oh but Hitler wasn't a Christian regardless if he claimed to be. Being a Christian is much more then just saying you are, it's a lifestyle. Proof is in the pudding if you will. Someone can claim they are Christian but if they go off mass murdering thousands of people, their actions speak differently then their words and thus they obviously aren't a Christian.


hold on a minute -what is sin according to the bible? Is homosexuality, rape and adultery less of a sin than murder?



Dude, that's what the duhniers want you to do...help cloud the issues. When they cannot deal with the realities of human life on this planet they turn to their religion as an excuse or a defense.

Please don't feed the trolls..lol.


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Thu 09/23/10 11:56 AM


Quotes from Other Nazis about Hitler and Religion:

"Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide." (Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer page 95-96)




http://www.nobeliefs.com/HitlerSources.htm

Another good source above...Hitler was indeed a practicing Christian and just like present day Christains he picked and choose what to follow from that little bible thingy and what to say to the faithful to convince them he was the real deal. Christians tend to be very gullible people...as proven from their supporting the Dippic into office...gee, how'd that work out?

ALL quotes of Hitler denouncing christianity are HEARSAY...and lies made to fit the present day Christian's denials so they can keep theri delusion alive and (knowingly or not) continue damaging humanity...in the name of their "lord".

Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)"

How about something from HIS BOOK??? His actual writings...

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)"

Christians have a lot of nerve to deny their damages...next they will be voting for Sarah Palin JUST because she carries the C banner...when will you people stop supporting moronic and hateful people? Do you have ANY idea the damage you do?..oh yeah, musta been "god's will"

Grow up, get help for your mental disorders, faith is one thing that's personal but pushing your "truth" is destroying humanity and leaving it ignorant in the ashes.









"Another good source above...Hitler was indeed a practicing Christian and just like present day Christains he picked and choose what to follow from that little bible thingy and what to say to the faithful to convince them he was the real deal."
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Being a Christian is following the word of our father who art in heaven. And the simple 10 commandments state specifically not to murder, steal, ect ect. It's one thing to CLAIM to be a Christian then it is to actually BE a Christian. Again, a Christian is someone who follows the holy book and the laws therein.
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“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)"
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Same thing with this, claiming to be a Christian and actually being one is sometimes two totally different things. And also again, being a Christian and claiming to be a Christian are sometimes two totally different things. Being a Christian is following the word of our God. Yes, we'll stumble time to time, BUT what Adolf did was not stumbling that was totally intentional and absolutely against the will of God and the laws he has set out before us.

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Thu 09/23/10 11:57 AM

CowboyGH Oh but Hitler wasn't a Christian regardless if he claimed to be. Being a Christian is much more then just saying you are, it's a lifestyle. Proof is in the pudding if you will. Someone can claim they are Christian but if they go off mass murdering thousands of people, their actions speak differently then their words and thus they obviously aren't a Christian.


hold on a minute -what is sin according to the bible? Is homosexuality, rape and adultery less of a sin than murder?



Sin is either doing something our father has told us not to do, or not doing something our father has told us to do. Sin is not following our father.

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Thu 09/23/10 12:12 PM
Wow your giving me information from evilbible.com?I am really supposed to believe anything from a obviously anti Christian website that will post any kind of rant from anyone regardless if it is credible or not?


A source was provided. If the information OF ANY PARTICULAR souce, is deemed unacceptable, the most logical course of action would be to refute the information with research from another source.




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