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Topic: Atheists, agnostics, score highest on religion test
MiddleEarthling's photo
Tue 09/28/10 04:32 PM
Figures...

"I have heard many times that atheists know more about religion than religious people," Silverman said. "Atheism is an effect of that knowledge, not a lack of knowledge. I gave a Bible to my daughter. That's how you make atheists."

Atheists, agnostics, Jews and Mormons score highest on basic religion test

"Americans are by all measures a deeply religious people, but they are also deeply ignorant about religion.

Researchers from the independent Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life phoned more than 3,400 Americans and asked them 32 questions about the Bible, Christianity and other world religions, famous religious figures and the constitutional principles governing religion in public life.

On average, people who took the survey answered half the questions incorrectly, and many flubbed even questions about their own faith.

Those who scored the highest were atheists and agnostics, as well as two religious minorities: Jews and Mormons. The results were the same even after the researchers controlled for factors like age and racial differences.

"Even after all these other factors, including education, are taken into account, atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons still outperform all the other religious groups in our survey," said Greg Smith, a senior researcher at Pew.

That finding might surprise some, but not Dave Silverman, president of American Atheists, an advocacy group for nonbelievers that was founded by Madalyn Murray O'Hair.

"I have heard many times that atheists know more about religion than religious people," Silverman said. "Atheism is an effect of that knowledge, not a lack of knowledge. I gave a Bible to my daughter. That's how you make atheists."

Among the topics covered in the survey were: Where was Jesus born? What is Ramadan? Whose writings inspired the Protestant Reformation? Which Biblical figure led the exodus from Egypt? What religion is the Dalai Lama? Joseph Smith? Mother Theresa? In most cases, the format was multiple choice.

The researchers said that the questionnaire was designed to represent a breadth of knowledge about religion but was not intended to be regarded as a list of the most essential facts about the subject. Most of the questions were easy, but a few were difficult enough to discern which respondents were highly knowledgeable.

On questions about the Bible and Christianity, the groups that answered the most right were Mormons and white evangelical Protestants.

On questions about world religions, like Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and Judaism, the groups that did the best were atheists, agnostics and Jews.

One finding that may grab the attention of policy makers is that most Americans wrongly believe that anything having to do with religion is prohibited in public schools.

An overwhelming 89 percent of respondents, asked whether public school teachers are permitted to lead a class in prayer, correctly answered no.

But fewer than 1 in 4 knew that a public school teacher is permitted "to read from the Bible as an example of literature." And only about one third knew that a public school teacher is permitted to offer a class comparing the world's religions.

The survey's authors concluded that there was "widespread confusion" about "the line between teaching and preaching."

Smith said the survey appeared to be the first comprehensive effort at assessing the basic religious knowledge of Americans, so it is impossible to tell whether they are more or less informed than in the past.

The phone interviews were conducted in English and Spanish in May and June. There were not enough Muslim, Buddhist or Hindu respondents to say how those groups ranked.

Clergy members who are concerned that their congregants know little about the essentials of their own faith will no doubt be appalled by some of these findings:

— Fifty-three percent of Protestants could not identify Martin Luther as the man who started the Protestant Reformation.

— Forty-five percent of Catholics did not know that their church teaches that the consecrated bread and wine in holy communion are not merely symbols but actually become the body and blood of Christ.

— Forty-three percent of Jews did not know that Maimonides, one of the foremost rabbinical authorities and philosophers, was Jewish.

The question about Maimonides was the one that the fewest people answered correctly. But 51 percent knew that Joseph Smith was Mormon, and 82 percent knew that Mother Theresa was Roman Catholic."

http://newsok.com/atheists-agnostics-jews-and-mormons-score-highest-on-basic-religion-test/article/3499273

twisted_sister57's photo
Tue 09/28/10 04:45 PM
Interesting article, not surprising though....thanks for posting

no photo
Tue 09/28/10 10:53 PM
Ignorance is bliss.
And there are a lot of really happy people out there.

msharmony's photo
Wed 09/29/10 12:19 AM
I think it is interesting the questions that were chosen. IT is a similar situation that immigrants who must be tested for citizenship know more about AMERICA than those born here. The real issue is what is deemed central knowledge for being american or for following religion. THe examples given in the OP suggest the test was mostly on religious history, which is a seperate issue from a persons actual religion. I dont worship martin luther, or public school policies,, so these types of questions would not be any reflection on my knowledge of My specific religious teachings or my religious book.

MiddleEarthling's photo
Wed 09/29/10 08:55 AM

Ignorance is bliss.
And there are a lot of really happy people out there.


Well, as just displayed: ignorance is also defended. Lamely...

msharmony's photo
Wed 09/29/10 09:02 AM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 09/29/10 09:05 AM
there is really no need to defend ignorance, as it is only a lack of knowledge about something


since I am sure noone here knows EVERYTHING there is to know about EVERYTHING,, I stand by my opinion that a limited thirty question test on the whole subject of RELIGION,, is at best, only an indication of how well people know those things the authors of the test know,,,not an indication of general knowledge of what one is specifically worshipping,,



the questions cited were about religious HISTORY in large,, which is evidence and facts regarding historical FIGURES, and few of the questions were actually about the bible or what the bible teaches,, so the test is not necessarily an indictment against those who follow religion,,,because the topic is too broad to truly encompas SPECIFIC faiths,,,or SPECIFIC beliefs


I could easily find thirty random questions about politics that politiicans wouldnt know , heck, I watch smarter than a fifth grader and there are plenty of things they know that adults dont know,,,,but that is an indication that the kids are learning and using things that the adults just dont use anymore


I applaud knowledge, but I dont expect anyone to know everything on any subject


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Wed 09/29/10 12:29 PM

Figures...

"I have heard many times that atheists know more about religion than religious people," Silverman said. "Atheism is an effect of that knowledge, not a lack of knowledge. I gave a Bible to my daughter. That's how you make atheists."


religion is not about knowledge it's about faith....and faith can only exist due to lack of knowledge


CowboyGH's photo
Wed 09/29/10 12:34 PM


Figures...

"I have heard many times that atheists know more about religion than religious people," Silverman said. "Atheism is an effect of that knowledge, not a lack of knowledge. I gave a Bible to my daughter. That's how you make atheists."


religion is not about knowledge it's about faith....and faith can only exist due to lack of knowledge




faith can only exist due to hope of gathered knowledge.

examples
--------
You have faith the new president does a great job for the country. (This is obtained through the knowledge you have of this person)

You have faith that your marriage will last forever (This is obtained through the knowledge of the love she carries for you and you for her)

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Wed 09/29/10 02:25 PM



Figures...

"I have heard many times that atheists know more about religion than religious people," Silverman said. "Atheism is an effect of that knowledge, not a lack of knowledge. I gave a Bible to my daughter. That's how you make atheists."


religion is not about knowledge it's about faith....and faith can only exist due to lack of knowledge




faith can only exist due to hope of gathered knowledge.

examples
--------
You have faith the new president does a great job for the country. (This is obtained through the knowledge you have of this person)

You have faith that your marriage will last forever (This is obtained through the knowledge of the love she carries for you and you for her)


why would you need faith that your marriage will last forever....why don't you "KNOW" without question that it will last forever? ......this is why when it comes to marriage...faith is why people sign pre-nuptial agreements

CowboyGH's photo
Wed 09/29/10 04:16 PM




Figures...

"I have heard many times that atheists know more about religion than religious people," Silverman said. "Atheism is an effect of that knowledge, not a lack of knowledge. I gave a Bible to my daughter. That's how you make atheists."


religion is not about knowledge it's about faith....and faith can only exist due to lack of knowledge




faith can only exist due to hope of gathered knowledge.

examples
--------
You have faith the new president does a great job for the country. (This is obtained through the knowledge you have of this person)

You have faith that your marriage will last forever (This is obtained through the knowledge of the love she carries for you and you for her)


why would you need faith that your marriage will last forever....why don't you "KNOW" without question that it will last forever? ......this is why when it comes to marriage...faith is why people sign pre-nuptial agreements


because NOTHING is for sure on this earth. Heck tomorrow isn't even for sure. That is why we have faith, hope, desire, for such things in life to happen. Marriages no matter how they are done, is NOT for sure, it's all with faith that your marriage will work out.

Dragoness's photo
Wed 09/29/10 04:27 PM
I could have told the people that atheists are more knowledgeable when it comes to religion.

It is the same reason I know more than I need to know.

If you question the religion of choice in your social circles, it causes you to inquire more, read more and expand your knowledge more so you can understand it. Usually opening the door for seeing it from the outside looking in.

The most dangerous position for a "follower" is to be able to see the whole picture from the outside of the situation. This will make them not a follower anymore.:thumbsup:

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Thu 09/30/10 04:52 AM





Figures...

"I have heard many times that atheists know more about religion than religious people," Silverman said. "Atheism is an effect of that knowledge, not a lack of knowledge. I gave a Bible to my daughter. That's how you make atheists."


religion is not about knowledge it's about faith....and faith can only exist due to lack of knowledge




faith can only exist due to hope of gathered knowledge.

examples
--------
You have faith the new president does a great job for the country. (This is obtained through the knowledge you have of this person)

You have faith that your marriage will last forever (This is obtained through the knowledge of the love she carries for you and you for her)


why would you need faith that your marriage will last forever....why don't you "KNOW" without question that it will last forever? ......this is why when it comes to marriage...faith is why people sign pre-nuptial agreements


because NOTHING is for sure on this earth. Heck tomorrow isn't even for sure. That is why we have faith, hope, desire, for such things in life to happen. Marriages no matter how they are done, is NOT for sure, it's all with faith that your marriage will work out.



if marriage or anything is not for sure as you say....then that is why faith is nothing more than hope...it doesn't require knowledge to hope...it only requires dispair

MiddleEarthling's photo
Thu 09/30/10 05:14 AM






Figures...

"I have heard many times that atheists know more about religion than religious people," Silverman said. "Atheism is an effect of that knowledge, not a lack of knowledge. I gave a Bible to my daughter. That's how you make atheists."


religion is not about knowledge it's about faith....and faith can only exist due to lack of knowledge




faith can only exist due to hope of gathered knowledge.

examples
--------
You have faith the new president does a great job for the country. (This is obtained through the knowledge you have of this person)

You have faith that your marriage will last forever (This is obtained through the knowledge of the love she carries for you and you for her)


why would you need faith that your marriage will last forever....why don't you "KNOW" without question that it will last forever? ......this is why when it comes to marriage...faith is why people sign pre-nuptial agreements


because NOTHING is for sure on this earth. Heck tomorrow isn't even for sure. That is why we have faith, hope, desire, for such things in life to happen. Marriages no matter how they are done, is NOT for sure, it's all with faith that your marriage will work out.



if marriage or anything is not for sure as you say....then that is why faith is nothing more than hope...it doesn't require knowledge to hope...it only requires dispair


Don't forget FEAR!

CowboyGH's photo
Thu 09/30/10 05:17 AM






Figures...

"I have heard many times that atheists know more about religion than religious people," Silverman said. "Atheism is an effect of that knowledge, not a lack of knowledge. I gave a Bible to my daughter. That's how you make atheists."


religion is not about knowledge it's about faith....and faith can only exist due to lack of knowledge




faith can only exist due to hope of gathered knowledge.

examples
--------
You have faith the new president does a great job for the country. (This is obtained through the knowledge you have of this person)

You have faith that your marriage will last forever (This is obtained through the knowledge of the love she carries for you and you for her)


why would you need faith that your marriage will last forever....why don't you "KNOW" without question that it will last forever? ......this is why when it comes to marriage...faith is why people sign pre-nuptial agreements


because NOTHING is for sure on this earth. Heck tomorrow isn't even for sure. That is why we have faith, hope, desire, for such things in life to happen. Marriages no matter how they are done, is NOT for sure, it's all with faith that your marriage will work out.



if marriage or anything is not for sure as you say....then that is why faith is nothing more than hope...it doesn't require knowledge to hope...it only requires dispair


Faith is educated hope. Hoping is in vein, you just hope cause you want it. Faith is supplied because of what you know about this which you have faith in, the knowledge of it.

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Thu 09/30/10 05:37 AM

Faith is educated hope. Hoping is in vein, you just hope cause you want it. Faith is supplied because of what you know about this which you have faith in, the knowledge of it.


faith as educated hope is called "fantasy reality" ...so what happens when one has faith...do little elves magically appear and make what one has faith in magically come true

CowboyGH's photo
Thu 09/30/10 05:42 AM


Faith is educated hope. Hoping is in vein, you just hope cause you want it. Faith is supplied because of what you know about this which you have faith in, the knowledge of it.


faith as educated hope is called "fantasy reality" ...so what happens when one has faith...do little elves magically appear and make what one has faith in magically come true


So you're gonna tell me you have no faith at all?

1. You have no faith that you will eat today?
2. You have no faith tomorrow will come?
3. You have no faith that you'll get your bills paid this month?

And so on. None of that is set in stone and a for sure thing for ANYONE. It boils down to having faith all those will be accomplished.

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Thu 09/30/10 05:58 AM

So you're gonna tell me you have no faith at all?


affirmative


1. You have no faith that you will eat today?


you don't need faith to eat...you need food to eat


2. You have no faith tomorrow will come?


tomorrow never comes...everytime it tries to come it turns into today


3. You have no faith that you'll get your bills paid this month?


faith do not pay any bills...it requires money to do that


And so on. None of that is set in stone and a for sure thing for ANYONE. It boils down to having faith all those will be accomplished.


if nothing as you say is set in stone...then wouldn't that also apply to faith ...if you claim that it takes faith to get things accomphish...then you are talking about witchcraft not faith

CowboyGH's photo
Thu 09/30/10 06:06 AM


So you're gonna tell me you have no faith at all?


affirmative


1. You have no faith that you will eat today?


you don't need faith to eat...you need food to eat


2. You have no faith tomorrow will come?


tomorrow never comes...everytime it tries to come it turns into today


3. You have no faith that you'll get your bills paid this month?


faith do not pay any bills...it requires money to do that


And so on. None of that is set in stone and a for sure thing for ANYONE. It boils down to having faith all those will be accomplished.


if nothing as you say is set in stone...then wouldn't that also apply to faith ...if you claim that it takes faith to get things accomphish...then you are talking about witchcraft not faith


Not to be rude, but that went right over your head funches. Let me refraise the questions then, do you THINK you will eat today, do you THINK you will be able to pay your bills this month.

Faith is not a substantial substance. Faith is just what you think is true and what you want to be true. Lets try this again.


1. You have no faith that you will eat today, do you think you will eat today?

2. You have no faith tomorrow will come, do you think tomorrow will come?

3. You have no faith that you'll get your bills paid this month, do you think you will get your bills paid this month.

carold's photo
Thu 09/30/10 06:22 AM

Figures...

"I have heard many times that atheists know more about religion than religious people," Silverman said. "Atheism is an effect of that knowledge, not a lack of knowledge. I gave a Bible to my daughter. That's how you make atheists."

Atheists, agnostics, Jews and Mormons score highest on basic religion test

"Americans are by all measures a deeply religious people, but they are also deeply ignorant about religion.

Researchers from the independent Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life phoned more than 3,400 Americans and asked them 32 questions about the Bible, Christianity and other world religions, famous religious figures and the constitutional principles governing religion in public life.

On average, people who took the survey answered half the questions incorrectly, and many flubbed even questions about their own faith.

Those who scored the highest were atheists and agnostics, as well as two religious minorities: Jews and Mormons. The results were the same even after the researchers controlled for factors like age and racial differences.

"Even after all these other factors, including education, are taken into account, atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons still outperform all the other religious groups in our survey," said Greg Smith, a senior researcher at Pew.

That finding might surprise some, but not Dave Silverman, president of American Atheists, an advocacy group for nonbelievers that was founded by Madalyn Murray O'Hair.

"I have heard many times that atheists know more about religion than religious people," Silverman said. "Atheism is an effect of that knowledge, not a lack of knowledge. I gave a Bible to my daughter. That's how you make atheists."

Among the topics covered in the survey were: Where was Jesus born? What is Ramadan? Whose writings inspired the Protestant Reformation? Which Biblical figure led the exodus from Egypt? What religion is the Dalai Lama? Joseph Smith? Mother Theresa? In most cases, the format was multiple choice.

The researchers said that the questionnaire was designed to represent a breadth of knowledge about religion but was not intended to be regarded as a list of the most essential facts about the subject. Most of the questions were easy, but a few were difficult enough to discern which respondents were highly knowledgeable.

On questions about the Bible and Christianity, the groups that answered the most right were Mormons and white evangelical Protestants.

On questions about world religions, like Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and Judaism, the groups that did the best were atheists, agnostics and Jews.

One finding that may grab the attention of policy makers is that most Americans wrongly believe that anything having to do with religion is prohibited in public schools.

An overwhelming 89 percent of respondents, asked whether public school teachers are permitted to lead a class in prayer, correctly answered no.

But fewer than 1 in 4 knew that a public school teacher is permitted "to read from the Bible as an example of literature." And only about one third knew that a public school teacher is permitted to offer a class comparing the world's religions.

The survey's authors concluded that there was "widespread confusion" about "the line between teaching and preaching."

Smith said the survey appeared to be the first comprehensive effort at assessing the basic religious knowledge of Americans, so it is impossible to tell whether they are more or less informed than in the past.

The phone interviews were conducted in English and Spanish in May and June. There were not enough Muslim, Buddhist or Hindu respondents to say how those groups ranked.

Clergy members who are concerned that their congregants know little about the essentials of their own faith will no doubt be appalled by some of these findings:

— Fifty-three percent of Protestants could not identify Martin Luther as the man who started the Protestant Reformation.

— Forty-five percent of Catholics did not know that their church teaches that the consecrated bread and wine in holy communion are not merely symbols but actually become the body and blood of Christ.

— Forty-three percent of Jews did not know that Maimonides, one of the foremost rabbinical authorities and philosophers, was Jewish.

The question about Maimonides was the one that the fewest people answered correctly. But 51 percent knew that Joseph Smith was Mormon, and 82 percent knew that Mother Theresa was Roman Catholic."

http://newsok.com/atheists-agnostics-jews-and-mormons-score-highest-on-basic-religion-test/article/3499273

I can see why Jew wouldn't know Maimonides. Of course your going to know who Joseph Smith is if you've read anything about Mormons and who doesn't know about Mother Theresa. Now the next generation different story.

MiddleEarthling's photo
Thu 09/30/10 06:32 AM


Figures...

"I have heard many times that atheists know more about religion than religious people," Silverman said. "Atheism is an effect of that knowledge, not a lack of knowledge. I gave a Bible to my daughter. That's how you make atheists."

Atheists, agnostics, Jews and Mormons score highest on basic religion test

"Americans are by all measures a deeply religious people, but they are also deeply ignorant about religion.

Researchers from the independent Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life phoned more than 3,400 Americans and asked them 32 questions about the Bible, Christianity and other world religions, famous religious figures and the constitutional principles governing religion in public life.

On average, people who took the survey answered half the questions incorrectly, and many flubbed even questions about their own faith.

Those who scored the highest were atheists and agnostics, as well as two religious minorities: Jews and Mormons. The results were the same even after the researchers controlled for factors like age and racial differences.

"Even after all these other factors, including education, are taken into account, atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons still outperform all the other religious groups in our survey," said Greg Smith, a senior researcher at Pew.

That finding might surprise some, but not Dave Silverman, president of American Atheists, an advocacy group for nonbelievers that was founded by Madalyn Murray O'Hair.

"I have heard many times that atheists know more about religion than religious people," Silverman said. "Atheism is an effect of that knowledge, not a lack of knowledge. I gave a Bible to my daughter. That's how you make atheists."

Among the topics covered in the survey were: Where was Jesus born? What is Ramadan? Whose writings inspired the Protestant Reformation? Which Biblical figure led the exodus from Egypt? What religion is the Dalai Lama? Joseph Smith? Mother Theresa? In most cases, the format was multiple choice.

The researchers said that the questionnaire was designed to represent a breadth of knowledge about religion but was not intended to be regarded as a list of the most essential facts about the subject. Most of the questions were easy, but a few were difficult enough to discern which respondents were highly knowledgeable.

On questions about the Bible and Christianity, the groups that answered the most right were Mormons and white evangelical Protestants.

On questions about world religions, like Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and Judaism, the groups that did the best were atheists, agnostics and Jews.

One finding that may grab the attention of policy makers is that most Americans wrongly believe that anything having to do with religion is prohibited in public schools.

An overwhelming 89 percent of respondents, asked whether public school teachers are permitted to lead a class in prayer, correctly answered no.

But fewer than 1 in 4 knew that a public school teacher is permitted "to read from the Bible as an example of literature." And only about one third knew that a public school teacher is permitted to offer a class comparing the world's religions.

The survey's authors concluded that there was "widespread confusion" about "the line between teaching and preaching."

Smith said the survey appeared to be the first comprehensive effort at assessing the basic religious knowledge of Americans, so it is impossible to tell whether they are more or less informed than in the past.

The phone interviews were conducted in English and Spanish in May and June. There were not enough Muslim, Buddhist or Hindu respondents to say how those groups ranked.

Clergy members who are concerned that their congregants know little about the essentials of their own faith will no doubt be appalled by some of these findings:

— Fifty-three percent of Protestants could not identify Martin Luther as the man who started the Protestant Reformation.

— Forty-five percent of Catholics did not know that their church teaches that the consecrated bread and wine in holy communion are not merely symbols but actually become the body and blood of Christ.

— Forty-three percent of Jews did not know that Maimonides, one of the foremost rabbinical authorities and philosophers, was Jewish.

The question about Maimonides was the one that the fewest people answered correctly. But 51 percent knew that Joseph Smith was Mormon, and 82 percent knew that Mother Theresa was Roman Catholic."

http://newsok.com/atheists-agnostics-jews-and-mormons-score-highest-on-basic-religion-test/article/3499273

I can see why Jew wouldn't know Maimonides. Of course your going to know who Joseph Smith is if you've read anything about Mormons and who doesn't know about Mother Theresa. Now the next generation different story.


So your one observation in defense negates the whole result? I guess that makes it easier to ignore the obvious.


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