The following questions from the OP have not yet been addressed.



What does the bible say about the salvation when it comes to:

- Children who are too young to grasp the meaning and concepts
of scripture?

- Adults who, like children, will never have the intellect to
understand the bible?

- About people today and the many in the past who had never even
heard of Jesus or the bible?

- All the humans that lived before there was ‘scripture’?

Modern Homo sapiens appear in record about 100,000 years ago – that’s 95,000 years of people to exist before God appeared to Abraham.

What does the bible say about their salvation?

Surely, throughout human history there have been non-Christians who have attained the moral equivalency of Gods’ standards without holding a belief in the God of Abraham or in Jesus.

What’s the answer?

Christians and Jews believe the earth is around 6,000 years old.Considering God mad the first man and woman everyone born after that time probably would have heard of the bible and God.

Matthew 24:14 says "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then the end shall come".


As far as people not understanding the bible because they are mentally retarded or some other reason I'm sure God would not hold them accountable for something they are unable to learn and treat them as a innocent child.I'm sure there are bible verses dealing with this issue but I don't have time right now to research it.


Everyone will have known about salvation through Christ before the rapture.The bible says every knee shall bow.

It is written: "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'" Romans 14:11



REV 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth--to every nation, tribe, language and people. 7 He said in a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water."

REV 14:8 A second angel followed and said, "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries."

REV 14:9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10 he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name." 12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.



Concerning children...

Both Deuteronomy 1.39 and Isaiah 7.16 acknowledge that children "have no knowledge of good and evil" and do not have the maturity to "know to refuse evil and choose the good."

In Numbers 14:29

29 In this wilderness your bodies will fall—every one of you twenty years old or more who was counted in the census and who has grumbled against me.

God spared anyone 19 and under judgment before they were sent to the promised land in the Old testament.



After the rapture all the Christians will be gone and the world will be in chaos for 7 years.Anyone who wants to accept Jesus as their savior will be saved.

After 7 years everyone will be thrown into Hell and left there forever.

This is an interesting quote:



This is an interesting quote:



"The Church" is a historical reference to the time when there was only one church which dominated Europe – the Catholic church.

The foundations of that church were built on worldly goods received through religious services provided to monarchs, emperors and other rulers.

The Church actually built some of the first and largest universities of higher education. The purpose of those universities was to educate future church authorities who would take their place in the courts of rulers and help to fill Church coffers as great rulers could be quite generous to The Church. Rulers often paid handsome rewards when Church officials found ways to keep Church in line with the goals of the ruler.

Even in recent times, we see a number of Evangelical heads who have also built on the foundation “which is Jesus Christ” and they have glorified themselves with luxuries in the names of God and Jesus.

Being a Pastor today is a job and in many cases the benefits of the job include among others, health & life insurance and retirement funds. Pastors ‘shop’ for their jobs, like in any other profession.

Exactly what part of Christian church foundations today is NOT built using “gold, silver, costly stones, wood…” ?

Where, in the following quotes does it say that faith in Jesus is necessary to be rewarded?

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."

1 John 5:12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

I am the way, the truth, and the life; NO MAN cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME.” — Jesus Christ (John 14:6)



Romans 3:22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,

Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be SAVED?
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be SAVED, and thy house.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be SAVED.

Not all Christians & Jews, probably not even most, believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old. Of course you may be one of the fundamentalists I was referring to in the OP. Are you?


Deuteronomy 1:39 – God is telling the wondering Mosaic Jews that with few expections, they will not live to see the ‘promised’ land. The land God had told them would be theirs (he didn’t mean heaven). Only the



Not in the Isaiah verse either



In Numbers 14 – again God is railing against those who refused to obey and told them that only the young under 20 will be allowed to see the promised land.

Not one of the verses you offered deals with the salvation of those I meantioned? When you have some time though I would like to see those versus that deal with the question I posed.

It is fine to build a church using gold,silver,etc,as long as you are using the church to promote and preach the Holy bible and to worship the father.What this verse is talking about is having a expensive church that looks good,is expensive,but is not preaching the truth.

A good example would be these churches that have homosexual pastors.It won't matter how big or expensive they are.When it comes to judgment by fire their works will be burned up because they are not preaching the Holy bible and telling lies.

Another example would be for the pastor to put all the money into the church to make it look good instead of using the money to help the poor,feed the homeless,etc.

Some related bible verses.

Luke 20:46-47 ESV “Beware of the scribes, who like to walk around in long robes, and love greetings in the marketplaces and the best seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at feasts, who devour widows' houses and for a pretense make long prayers. They will receive the greater condemnation.”

Luke 11:39-52 ESV And the Lord said to him, “Now you Pharisees cleanse the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. You fools! Did not he who made the outside make the inside also? But give as alms those things that are within, and behold, everything is clean for you. “But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and every herb, and neglect justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. Woe to you Pharisees! For you love the best seat in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces. ...

Matthew 21:28-32 ESV “What do you think? A man had two sons. And he went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work in the vineyard today.’ And he answered, ‘I will not,’ but afterward he changed his mind and went. And he went to the other son and said the same. And he answered, ‘I go, sir,’ but did not go. Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said, “The first.” Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into the kingdom of God before you. For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes believed him. And even when you saw it, you did not afterward change your minds and believe him.

Jeremiah 7:8-10 ESV “Behold, you trust in deceptive words to no avail. Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, make offerings to Baal, and go after other gods that you have not known, and then come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, ‘We are delivered!’—only to go on doing all these abominations?

Timothy 3:5 ESV Having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.

mans 2:3 ESV Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?

Luke 16:13 ESV No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.”

James 1:25-27 ESV But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing. If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless. Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.


Revelation 3:1 ESV “And to the angel of the church in Sardis write: ‘The words of him who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. “‘I know your works. You have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead.

John 15:6 ESV If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.

That includes everyone. Even these people who keep posting quotes from the Bible have no clue what it means. They just pick and choose verses that appear to say things they'd like to support at the moment.

The fact is that even the most intelligent clergy on Earth cannot agree on what these scriptures mean. So it has nothing to do with intelligence. This is why there are so many diverse religions based on these unintelligible myths.

In fact, the most intelligent humans throughout all of history have rejected these myths entirely. So intelligence can't even be a factor in this religion because the most intelligent people dismiss it altogether as mere hearsay rumors and myths.

Jesus NEVER - EVER - spoke bible verses, there was no such thing as the "Old Testament". So what was Jesus talking about? What was he referring to when he spoke about the "Law"?

Was there more than one "Law" that Jews followed?

Is there ANYWHERE in the bible that Jesus 'dismissed' any "Law" or suggested that any "Law" would no longer be valid becasue of his coming?

Lots of questions, but I would think believers would have the answers.

Why is it said one way in some verses and another way in othes?

How can they all be right when every verse in the Bible is whole and completely the error free word of God?

ABOUT THE DIVORCE ISSUE:





I don’t think these are ALL the places that discuss DIVORCE though.
So how many churches ABSOLUTELY refuse to honor divorces, or marry people after they’ve been divorced?

Since homosexuals are ostracized from many Christian communities for fear that they might be guilty by association – I can only guess that all those churches and ALL their congregations will be joining the LGBT in hell.

Well not only that, but according to these verses all that is required is to believe in Jesus. It doesn't say anything about believing in the scriptures. In fact there were no 'scriptures' to believe in at that time. So these verses can't possibly be demanding that people believe in the Biblical Cannon.

I believe in Jesus. Without question. I believe a man lived who taught against the highly immoral ways of the God of Abraham, and I believe that he was crucified for his views. I also believe that he was a Mahayana Buddhist, and I believe that he was the "Son of God" just as I am the "Son of God".

Therefore I am saved according to these verses.

I don't need to jump on the Christian bigotry wagon or support the idea that the biblical cannon is the infalliable "Word of God"

Where does it say in any of these verses that a person must believe that the Biblical cannon must be worshiped as the "Word of God"?

It can't possibly say that because the Biblical cannon did not even exist at that time. Nor do any of these verses require that a person believe in any "Old Testaments" either.

I BELIEVE in Jesus, therefore I am SAVED. Like as if I needed to be.

But I guess it's nice to know that I meet the qualifications anyway.

I do believe the earth is only 6,000 years old.I think just looking at population increases which have seen well over a billion people in just a 100 years is reason to believe the earth couldn't be thousands or millions of years old.If there was people here over 100,000 years ago simple math would tell you there would be trillions of people alive today.There would also be trillions of grave stones and skeletons in the ground yet there is few to be found.You also have solid records going back thousands of years including the works of the Egyptians.How come we have 6,000 years of records and then nothing at all?How come we have buildings going back thousands of years and then nothing?Overnight we went from a bunch of knuckle dragging apes to building pyramids and living in houses?

Sorry but it makes much more sense to look at 6,000 years until now.Everything makes a lot more sense.



There is no heaven or salvation for those who do not believe in Jesus Christ.This would include the Jews of this world.The bible says EVERYONE will hear the word and everyone will have the chance to be saved no matter where they are in the world.This is one of the fullfilments before the rapture can start.


Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Romans 10:18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: "Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world."

Colossians 1:6 that has come to you. All over the world this gospel is bearing fruit and growing, just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and understood God's grace in all its truth.

Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations.


Concerning children


But when the chief priests and the scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying out in the temple, “Hosanna to the Son of David!” they were indignant, and they said to him, “Do you hear what these are saying?” And Jesus said to them, “Yes; have you never read, “‘Out of the mouth of infants and nursing babies you have prepared praise’?”
(Matthew 21:15-16 ESV)

And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. “Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
(Matthew 18:2-6 ESV)

What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go in search of the one that went astray? And if he finds it, truly, I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine that never went astray. So it is not the will of my Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.
(Matthew 18:12-14 ESV)



Numbers 14:22 Talks about sparring those under 20.

The Lord said, “And you can be just as sure that these men will not see the land I promised to give them. They have seen my glory. They have seen the miraculous signs I did in Egypt. And they have seen what I did in the desert. But they did not obey me. And they have put me to the test ten times. 23 So not even one of them will ever see the land I promised with an oath to give to their people of long ago. No one who has made fun of me will ever see it.
24 “But my servant Caleb has a different spirit. He follows me with his whole heart. So I will bring him into the land he went to. And his children after him will receive land there.
29 ” ‘You will die in this desert. Every one of you who is 20 years old or more will die. Every one of you who was counted in the list of the people will die. Every one of you who has spoken out against me will be wiped out. 30 I lifted up my hand and promised with an oath to make this land your home. But now not all of you will enter the land. Caleb, the son of Jephunneh, will enter it. So will Joshua, the son of Nun. They are the only ones who will enter the land.
32 As for you, you will die in the desert. 33 Your children will be shepherds here for 40 years. They will suffer because you were not faithful. They will suffer until the last of your bodies lies here in the desert. 34 For 40 years you will suffer for your sins. That is one year for each of the 40 days you checked out the land. You will know what it is like to have me against you.’

When I talk about the Old testament I am speaking about the Hebrew bible used by the Jews before Jesus was born.The Old testament contains the 39 books of Hebrew Scripture.I am calling the Hebrew bible the Old testament just to make things simple since we are talking about Christianity not Judaism.


The Jews had over 613 biblical laws that they followed.

Jesus did quote the Old testament(aka Hebrew bible,aka Tanakh)And Jesus quoted from 24 different Old Testament books.

Here is a partial list of Old testament bible verse spoken by Jesus which there is hundreds.

http://www.bible.ca/b-canon-old-testament-quoted-by-jesus-and-apostles.htm


http://freespace.virgin.net/dick.worth/Quotes.htm

Pro 11:31
1 Pet 4:18

Pro 25:21-22
Rom 12:20

Pro 26:11
2 Pet 2:22

Isa 1:9
Rom 9:29

Isa 6:9-10
Matt 13:14-15, Mark 4:12, Acts 28:26-27

Isa 6:9
Luke 8:10

Isa 6:10
Joh 12:40

Isa 7:14
Matt, 1:23

Isa 8:12-13
1 Pet 3:14-15

Isa 8:17-18
Heb 2:13

Isa 8:23-9:1
Matt 4:15-16

Isa 11:10
Rom 15:12

Isa 13:10
Matt 24:29, Mark 13:24-25

Isa 34:4
Luke 21:26

Isa 22:13
1 Co 15:32

Isa 25:8
1 Co 15:54, Rev 7:17

Isa 26:19
Matt 11:5

Isa 35:5-6
Luke 7:22

Isa 26:20
Heb 10:37-38

Isa 28:11-12
1 Co 14:21

Isa 29:13
Matt 15:8-9, Mark 1:3, Joh 1:23

Isa 40:6-8
1 Pet 1:24-25

Isa 40:13
Rom 11:34, 1 Co 2:16

Isa 42:1-4
Matt 12:18-21

Isa 45:23
Rom 14:11

Isa 49:6
Acts 13:47

Isa 49:8
2 Co 6:2

Isa 52:5
Rom 2:24

Isa 52:7
Rom 10:15

Isa 52:11
2 Co 6:17

Isa 52:15
Rom 15:21

Isa 53:1
Joh 12:38, Rom 8:17

Isa 53:7-8
Acts 8:32-33

Isa 53:9
1 Pet 2:23

Isa 53:12
Luke 22:37

Isa 54:1
Gal 4:27

Isa 54:13
Joh 6:45

Isa 55:3
Acts 13:34

Isa 55:10
2 Co 9:10

Isa 56:7
Matt 21:13

Jer 7:11
Mark 11:17, Luke 19:46

Isa 59:7-8
Rom 3:15-17

Isa 59:20-21
Rom 11:26-27

Isa 61:1-2
Luke 4:18-19

Isa 62:11
Matt 21:5

Isa 64:3
1 Co 2:9
Isa 65:1-2
Rom10:10-21

Isa 65:17
2 Pet 3:13

Isa 66:1-2
Acts 7:49-50

Jer 5:21
Mark 8:18

Jer 9:23
1 Co 1:31, 2 Co 10:17

Jer31:15
Matt 2:18

Jer 31:31-34
Heb 8:8-12

Ezk 11:20
Rev 21:7

Ezk 37:5, 10
Rev 11:11

Dan 3:6
Matt13:42, 50

Dan 7:13
Matt 24:30, 26:64, Mark 13:26,14:62, Luke 21:27,22:69

Dan 9:27
Matt 24:15

Dan 11:31
Mark 13:14

Hos 2:1, 3
Rom 9:25-28

Hos 6:6
Matt 9:13, Matt 12:7

Hos 10:8
Luke 23:30, Rev 6:16

Hos 11:1
Matt 2:15

Hos 13:14
1 Co 15:55

Joel 3:1-5
Acts 2:17-21, Rom 10:13

Amos 5:25-27
Acts 7:42-43

Amos 9:11-12
Acts 15:16-17

Jonah 2:1
Matt 12:40

Mic 5:1
Matt 2:6

Mic 7:6
Matt 10:35-36

Hab2:3-4
Rom 1:17, Gal 3:11

Hab 1:5
Acts 13:41

Hag 2:6, 21
Heb 12:26

Zac 8:16
Eph 4:25

Zech 9:9
Joh 12:15

Zac 11:12-13
Matt 27:9-10

Zac 12:10
Joh 19:37

Zac 13:7
Matt 26:31, Mark 14:27

Mal 1:2-3
Rom 9:13

Mal 3:1
Matt 11:10, Mark 1:2,Luke 7:27

Mal 3:23-24
Matt 17:10-11

This is utterly absurd.

How can any rational human being believe in such nonsense?

This religion started out with a God who was supposedly concerned with obedience, and it ended up being about a God who is solely interested in what someone believes.

It's clearly a train-wrecked mythology.

This type of thing can only be a man-made religion for the purpose of claiming extreme religious superiority in the "My God can beat up your God" wars.

Like little kids arguing, and the one kid finally says to the other, "Either accept my God as the only God or DIE!"

It's truly as silly as two children arguing like this.

And we know that there was definite human incentives for people to hold their God above all others. In fact we see this very thing today in all the Abrahamic religions. Christianity is the epitome of this sort of religious arrogance and bigotry.

"Our God is the only way to heaven and if you don't believe in our God and join our bigotry wagon you will be cast into a lake of fire!"

Does this even sound remotely divine?

Be honest. Does this sound divine?

Or does this sound like human arrogance?

for a human to put stock in a book as the total "tell" of all that some "divine" could be, no human pen could have touched it, as each pen that strike it's mark upon a paper, hath endowed it with it's own personal bias, lest each human that penned anything was deemed to be "divine" in and of itself, and such notion in itself is rejected by the very book in question.

for each hand that ever refined or defined any meaning in the book, added a bit more slant of itself into the record, rendering it the work of many a millions of human hands, the hands writing what many a millions of things seen and heard had shaped it's own human mind to think.

there is no "ultimate", or "divine" writing that exist, or that ever existed, lest one first concede that there be some mortals that be divine themself.

Baloney. This is false information.

You said that these are things the Jesus was quoted as saying but a lot of these are not attributed to Jesus at all. On the contrary they are narrations by these authors who are attempting to make a case that Jesus was "The Christ".

I looked up several of the Matthew quotes because I was highly suspicious of this and sure enough that's what they were.

Moreover, the whole book of Matthew was ultimately written by Matthew. I personally don't trust these authors to have spoken for Jesus verbatim. Matthew was clearly hard-pressed to make his case, so I wouldn't put it past him at all to interject, or "interpret" what he thought Jesus might have meant, and simply use his own words to slant things to better fit his own theories and beliefs.

This is a HUGE problem with using the Bible to claim that Jesus said this, or Jesus said that. The bottom line is that the Bible does not contain a single solitary word from Jesus himself. It's all hearsay, and the entire thing was written by authors who clearly had a desperate agenda to make out like Jesus was their "Christ".

So this is totally unimpressive.

Truly.

And the authors of the scripts that were selected to be placed into this cannon had a clear bias and agenda to make their case.

There aren't any writings in this document of people arguing against these cases simply because those were ignored by the Christian who made the biblical cannon in the first place.

This would be like taking an internet forum and removing all posts except the posts of those who support Christianity. Then read the forums and it sounds like everyone is in 100% agreement that something is true.

That's truly all the Biblical cannon amounts to. It's just selected 'posts' from ancient rumors. And the opposing sides (which there were MANY) we don't get to read. But it's crystal clear that they existed, because the Jews did NOT agree with these rumors that Jesus was their "Christ". So opposing views must have existed. We just never got to read them!

The Bible is a very BIASED book!

Well half the world believes it and I would say those people who do are intelligent,well informed and live in well developed countries like Europe and the USA.

What would be divine if you were God?Everyone goes to heaven even if they spend their entire life cursing you and your people?Are you seriously going to tell me in your daily life you actually think like this?You look at everyone like they are all saints walking around the streets and no matter what their actions in the end everyone is treated the same?

You think these Muslims blowing everyone to pieces should sit next to you in heaven and get the same rewards everyone else has?

That does sound absurd and arrogance.It sounds absurd because the world has never worked that way no matter what you believe.


I find it extremely ironic that a simple "I believe" in your mind is just way to hard for most people to do.It is not like Christians demand you walk 500 miles somewhere and live in a convent.All you have to do is say a few simple words.

Yet this is just so complicated,and so hard,and so wrong,and so so everything blah,blah,blah.

Give me a break.God couldn't have made it any more simpler.