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So to me it would be logical to serve god by creating good, and not bad. I mean I do believe the scriptures say that a man is not defiled by what he does, but how he thinks, maybe god saw the correlation between thoughts and our realities.
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Edited by
Redykeulous
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So to me it would be logical to serve god by creating good, and not bad. I mean I do believe the scriptures say that a man is not defiled by what he does, but how he thinks, maybe god saw the correlation between thoughts and our realities. I guess then, the question would be - who gets to say what GOOD is? Some people think GOOD means appreciating what we have and that seeing people suffer from starvation, poverty, and disease is just one way of helping us to apprectiate what we have. Some think the inaction of God to prevent such horrible afflication is GOOD becasue he's protecting our freedom of choice. While some think God will give us what we need if we ask, and that's GOOD - but apparently if someone doesn't get what they THINK they need even after they prayed - then that's GOOD too, because only God know what you really need. So I think there's a lot of conflicting views in the Bible about what is GOOD, and I think people trying to figure it out only end up NOT doing so much good. I think it might be better if people STOPPED trying to figure out what the Bible is tying to tell them, and just GO DO something that can help people in THIS life to have a better quality of life while we're all here together. |
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Good point of view, but you're not taking it entirely into concept. We have free will, as in we can do anything we wish when we want it and how we want it. If God didn't "allow" people to be born in places with disease and or poverty that would mean he would have taken someone's free will away. It's time to come out of the coma and look at the real world, and if you are not able to, then your choice to do so has been taken from you. If that is not a limit to free-will, I don't what is. But GOD himself did not do the limiting if you wish to look at it this way. It would be the person them self that limits them self by choosing to obey. |
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I don,t personally believe in the scriptures, but if I did I would say that the sacrafice of Jesus was to allow those who believe to be one with god, or gods! I think the scriptures say that we become the children of god, which if we are children or the creator, we are in some degree creators too, like father like son. Psalm 82:6 6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. |
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that is not the nature of every human, humans have choices and they live with the consequence of the choices they make, and often times so do those who love them God takes a gamble on us and I am glad he feels we are worth it even if its sometimes hard for US to see it,, This is what I'm trying to figure out, how, with the multitudes of perfect beings in the insect, animal, and plant kingdom...can you say that God feels we are worth it? What makes anyone think that God is waiting for humans and not some other living being? See the selfish nature of humanity? We are already under the frame of mind that God is waiting for us and not something else, no offense intended of course...but it does prove my point a little. Well ok Let open our minds just a bit and look at this from another perspective shall we? Think back to the story of Noah and his ark of animals. It says that God saw mans evil ways and was sorry that he had created man. Were not going to talk about noah because that isnt part of the point I'm attempting to make here. OK so God says "I'm sorry I made people" What does he do? He kills them all. Lets look at sodom and gomorah he dint like them either and he killed them all. The point? If God don't like ya he kills ya. Me and you are still here! He must have some reason for keeping humans alive! Another thing, God does not love humans for what they do,or think. He loves humans for what they are. That is what makes the love unconditional! When you go to the pet store and pick out a dog why do you choose the dog? Because you like dogs! Why not the rat or the cat or the frog? Because you like dogs. The dogs love is also unconditional it loves you because you are the leader of the pack. Same way with God, he loves us because he likes people! Just like people like dogs. Also on another point I read earlier. If God did not want man to have free will, don't you think he would have simply built robots? or unthinking people? After all why give humans a brain and the free will to use it! Because that's what he wanted. That's why we have the freedom to do what we want. There's even freedom to NOT beileve there is a God at all! amazing how that works out. Okay, however, this entire thread has so far been the question of if God exists. So regardless of what story you want to tell that came from the bible there is nothing about my question that has anything to do with the bible, therefore I reject any comment that quotes a story from the bible, an excerpt, or whatever else from the bible. I'm simply trying to figure out why people that believe in God also believe that God is watching them, waiting for them, and will take care of them no matter what...I've heard enough bible study from the missionaries, I don't care to hear any on a question that I want a simple answer to, a simple answer that I have simply not recieved yet. Please, take no offense to this, but if I want to hear what the bible says I will read it again. |
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yes, is that simple enough. DO not debate me. if you refer toyour question as simple and not complex then there is no debate in order. But to continue in this debate with all the posters here and then in a non-offensive manner state this was a simple question then your simple answer is YES.
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that is not the nature of every human, humans have choices and they live with the consequence of the choices they make, and often times so do those who love them God takes a gamble on us and I am glad he feels we are worth it even if its sometimes hard for US to see it,, This is what I'm trying to figure out, how, with the multitudes of perfect beings in the insect, animal, and plant kingdom...can you say that God feels we are worth it? What makes anyone think that God is waiting for humans and not some other living being? See the selfish nature of humanity? We are already under the frame of mind that God is waiting for us and not something else, no offense intended of course...but it does prove my point a little. Well ok Let open our minds just a bit and look at this from another perspective shall we? Think back to the story of Noah and his ark of animals. It says that God saw mans evil ways and was sorry that he had created man. Were not going to talk about noah because that isnt part of the point I'm attempting to make here. OK so God says "I'm sorry I made people" What does he do? He kills them all. Lets look at sodom and gomorah he dint like them either and he killed them all. The point? If God don't like ya he kills ya. Me and you are still here! He must have some reason for keeping humans alive! Another thing, God does not love humans for what they do,or think. He loves humans for what they are. That is what makes the love unconditional! When you go to the pet store and pick out a dog why do you choose the dog? Because you like dogs! Why not the rat or the cat or the frog? Because you like dogs. The dogs love is also unconditional it loves you because you are the leader of the pack. Same way with God, he loves us because he likes people! Just like people like dogs. Also on another point I read earlier. If God did not want man to have free will, don't you think he would have simply built robots? or unthinking people? After all why give humans a brain and the free will to use it! Because that's what he wanted. That's why we have the freedom to do what we want. There's even freedom to NOT beileve there is a God at all! amazing how that works out. Okay, however, this entire thread has so far been the question of if God exists. So regardless of what story you want to tell that came from the bible there is nothing about my question that has anything to do with the bible, therefore I reject any comment that quotes a story from the bible, an excerpt, or whatever else from the bible. I'm simply trying to figure out why people that believe in God also believe that God is watching them, waiting for them, and will take care of them no matter what...I've heard enough bible study from the missionaries, I don't care to hear any on a question that I want a simple answer to, a simple answer that I have simply not recieved yet. Please, take no offense to this, but if I want to hear what the bible says I will read it again. I know there is a God for I have felt him. I have felt the presence of the lord. |
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Edited by
CeriseRose
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Fri 12/17/10 05:20 AM
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that is not the nature of every human, humans have choices and they live with the consequence of the choices they make, and often times so do those who love them God takes a gamble on us and I am glad he feels we are worth it even if its sometimes hard for US to see it,, This is what I'm trying to figure out, how, with the multitudes of perfect beings in the insect, animal, and plant kingdom...can you say that God feels we are worth it? What makes anyone think that God is waiting for humans and not some other living being? See the selfish nature of humanity? We are already under the frame of mind that God is waiting for us and not something else, no offense intended of course...but it does prove my point a little. Well ok Let open our minds just a bit and look at this from another perspective shall we? Think back to the story of Noah and his ark of animals. It says that God saw mans evil ways and was sorry that he had created man. Were not going to talk about noah because that isnt part of the point I'm attempting to make here. OK so God says "I'm sorry I made people" What does he do? He kills them all. Lets look at sodom and gomorah he dint like them either and he killed them all. The point? If God don't like ya he kills ya. Me and you are still here! He must have some reason for keeping humans alive! Another thing, God does not love humans for what they do,or think. He loves humans for what they are. That is what makes the love unconditional! When you go to the pet store and pick out a dog why do you choose the dog? Because you like dogs! Why not the rat or the cat or the frog? Because you like dogs. The dogs love is also unconditional it loves you because you are the leader of the pack. Same way with God, he loves us because he likes people! Just like people like dogs. Also on another point I read earlier. If God did not want man to have free will, don't you think he would have simply built robots? or unthinking people? After all why give humans a brain and the free will to use it! Because that's what he wanted. That's why we have the freedom to do what we want. There's even freedom to NOT beileve there is a God at all! amazing how that works out. Okay, however, this entire thread has so far been the question of if God exists. So regardless of what story you want to tell that came from the bible there is nothing about my question that has anything to do with the bible, therefore I reject any comment that quotes a story from the bible, an excerpt, or whatever else from the bible. I'm simply trying to figure out why people that believe in God also believe that God is watching them, waiting for them, and will take care of them no matter what...I've heard enough bible study from the missionaries, I don't care to hear any on a question that I want a simple answer to, a simple answer that I have simply not recieved yet. Please, take no offense to this, but if I want to hear what the bible says I will read it again. I know there is a God for I have felt him. I have felt the presence of the lord. "IF" there were many gods, as some boldly proclaim - multiple choice ...there is only ONE who cares ...guess WHO? 
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Nevermind, I figured this question would ultimately go nowhere, and it pretty much has.
Sorry, but if I go around preaching about a tooth fairy and say "I have felt the tooth fairy" that hardly qualifies as proof that the tooth fairy exists. Continue doing whatever the hell it was that you were doing in this thread. |
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Edited by
Cheer_up
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Fri 12/17/10 09:21 PM
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This question has been running around my head for quite some time, now, I'm an agnostic more or less because I don't know what happens when we die. However, I'm also a bit of a logical thinker and the entire 'heaven and hell' idea just escapes me. Anyway, regardless of that. How, and I ask everyone this, does one really truly believe with all of the war, famine, and other man-made diseases that plague this world...that a God or Gods really cares? It is said that we are all sewn from the same fabric, in a sense we are all related according to the biggest Bible known to man. Adam and Eve, the forbidden fruit, so on and so forth. God created the universe is how I recall the story going, each planet, solar system, star constellation, every single drop of this entire life. Then you have us, humanity, not anywhere near perfect. So, if a God or Gods truly exist...what is humanities worth to it/them? What are we worth to a God or Gods in a universe that doesn't flicker when we die, doesn't cry when we are in pain, a universe that if this entire world was destroyed wouldn't shake or tremble one bit. The logical side of me thinks that if a God or Gods truly created everything, I hardly think it or they really care if we die off given that we are such a minimal aspect of the entire universe and that everything outside of this world is perfectly crafted and stands out magestically when compared to earth.
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Nevermind, I figured this question would ultimately go nowhere, and it pretty much has. Sorry, but if I go around preaching about a tooth fairy and say "I have felt the tooth fairy" that hardly qualifies as proof that the tooth fairy exists. Continue doing whatever the hell it was that you were doing in this thread. If you read some of the answers in the early part of the thread I think the answer would be YES God does care. Ultimatley it's up to you to make up your own mind. You may ask a pastor or a priest rather than a bunch of average joe's who you never met that type answers on a message board. |
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that is not the nature of every human, humans have choices and they live with the consequence of the choices they make, and often times so do those who love them God takes a gamble on us and I am glad he feels we are worth it even if its sometimes hard for US to see it,, This is what I'm trying to figure out, how, with the multitudes of perfect beings in the insect, animal, and plant kingdom...can you say that God feels we are worth it? What makes anyone think that God is waiting for humans and not some other living being? See the selfish nature of humanity? We are already under the frame of mind that God is waiting for us and not something else, no offense intended of course...but it does prove my point a little. Well ok Let open our minds just a bit and look at this from another perspective shall we? Think back to the story of Noah and his ark of animals. It says that God saw mans evil ways and was sorry that he had created man. Were not going to talk about noah because that isnt part of the point I'm attempting to make here. OK so God says "I'm sorry I made people" What does he do? He kills them all. Lets look at sodom and gomorah he dint like them either and he killed them all. The point? If God don't like ya he kills ya. Me and you are still here! He must have some reason for keeping humans alive! Another thing, God does not love humans for what they do,or think. He loves humans for what they are. That is what makes the love unconditional! When you go to the pet store and pick out a dog why do you choose the dog? Because you like dogs! Why not the rat or the cat or the frog? Because you like dogs. The dogs love is also unconditional it loves you because you are the leader of the pack. Same way with God, he loves us because he likes people! Just like people like dogs. Also on another point I read earlier. If God did not want man to have free will, don't you think he would have simply built robots? or unthinking people? After all why give humans a brain and the free will to use it! Because that's what he wanted. That's why we have the freedom to do what we want. There's even freedom to NOT beileve there is a God at all! amazing how that works out. Okay, however, this entire thread has so far been the question of if God exists. So regardless of what story you want to tell that came from the bible there is nothing about my question that has anything to do with the bible, therefore I reject any comment that quotes a story from the bible, an excerpt, or whatever else from the bible. I'm simply trying to figure out why people that believe in God also believe that God is watching them, waiting for them, and will take care of them no matter what...I've heard enough bible study from the missionaries, I don't care to hear any on a question that I want a simple answer to, a simple answer that I have simply not recieved yet. Please, take no offense to this, but if I want to hear what the bible says I will read it again. God came from the bible! Without the bible we would know NOTHING of God! Unless you count hearsay from other people. |
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God came from the bible! Without the bible we would know NOTHING of God! Unless you count hearsay from other people. Unless you count hearsay from other people? That's exactly what the Bible is. It's just hearsay from other people. |
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God came from the bible! Without the bible we would know NOTHING of God! Unless you count hearsay from other people. Unless you count hearsay from other people? That's exactly what the Bible is. It's just hearsay from other people. Abra here is living proof. |
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God came from the bible! Without the bible we would know NOTHING of God! Unless you count hearsay from other people. Unless you count hearsay from other people? That's exactly what the Bible is. It's just hearsay from other people. Abra  here is living proof. 
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God came from the bible! Without the bible we would know NOTHING of God! Unless you count hearsay from other people. Unless you count hearsay from other people? That's exactly what the Bible is. It's just hearsay from other people. |
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God came from the bible! Without the bible we would know NOTHING of God! Unless you count hearsay from other people. Unless you count hearsay from other people? That's exactly what the Bible is. It's just hearsay from other people. EVERYTHING is hearsay with you way of thinking. You can not "prove" Columbus discovered America. You can not "prove" Anything from the past without using some form of hearsay rumour(s). What makes it a fact is it's excepted as such. But nevertheless it's hearsay rumours. All history of the different Countries through the world is hearsay rumours. There is absolutely NO way to "prove" anything in history without using "hearsay" rumours. So what makes the bible any different then any other form of history? |
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well thats also what you doing hearsay of your opinion but yours is not proof the bible there is proof thats the different you can put down the bible and God but he is Watching you and knows everything look at Noah and the ark in the bible other took no note and also if you don't believe that .....why is 3/4 of the earth covered in water? right ?...now the bible has 100% truth full facts like talks about wars famines food shortages and all this is found in Matthew 24 talks about last days may God open up your heart to understanding instead of being ignorant or rude on the subject God bless I have no need to prove anything. Christians are the ones who need to prove their claims. I'm just telling you why I don't believe any of it. I don't care whether you believe me or not. |
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God came from the bible! Without the bible we would know NOTHING of God! Unless you count hearsay from other people. Unless you count hearsay from other people? That's exactly what the Bible is. It's just hearsay from other people. EVERYTHING is hearsay with you way of thinking. You can not "prove" Columbus discovered America. You can not "prove" Anything from the past without using some form of hearsay rumour(s). What makes it a fact is it's excepted as such. But nevertheless it's hearsay rumours. All history of the different Countries through the world is hearsay rumours. There is absolutely NO way to "prove" anything in history without using "hearsay" rumours. So what makes the bible any different then any other form of history? That's not true. First off, I don't necessarily believe a lot of history. Also, from what I understand the Vikings supposedly discovered America before Columbus. But in truth I really don't care who discovered America. I didn't know Columbus so it's just a name to me, it may as well have been Mr. Pumpernickle. It's just a name to me. Secondly, the Bible doesn't even come close to qualifying as a 'history book'. The people who wrote it were not educated or qualified historians, nor did they collaborate with independent and unbiased sources to verify their information. On the contrary when you read the gospels it's crystal clear that they are starting out with an extreme agenda to make a particular case. They aren't even presenting various views and offering the reader to make up their own mind. They are going far out of their way to try to convince the readers of their agenda even to the point of things like claiming that a voice spoke from heaven itself proclaiming that Jesus was the son of God.  That's clearly not a history book, that's as mythological at it gets. And it even came from a region where these kind of mythologies were commonplace, right up to, and including Gods who are appeased by blood sacrifices. It isn't even an ORIGINAL myth that hadn't already been done before. Finally, if you want real knowledge try science. That's the only TRUE WORD OF GOD. You can't get get any closer to God than that. |
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Nevermind, I figured this question would ultimately go nowhere, and it pretty much has. Sorry, but if I go around preaching about a tooth fairy and say "I have felt the tooth fairy" that hardly qualifies as proof that the tooth fairy exists. Continue doing whatever the hell it was that you were doing in this thread.  No probs...and thanks... there still is no f*cking god... 
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