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Topic: God cannot be limited and yet unlimited at the same time....
Abracadabra's photo
Thu 12/30/10 01:39 PM
Edited by Abracadabra on Thu 12/30/10 01:40 PM


I'm NOT suggesting that you are rejecting God.

I'm NOT telling you that there is anything wrong with your approach to God.


You have repeatedly called God a monster or a demon. You can't help yourself, can you? It's pathological. You post that God is a demon and then claim that you haven't said that there is anything wrong with the Christian view of God.


No I have never claimed that God is a demon Spider.

What I have said is that if I were to believe in the biblical scriptures I would have no choice but to believe that God is a demon.

And thus I reject those scriptures.

So that's not saying that God is a demon. It's actually saying the opposite.

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Thu 12/30/10 01:45 PM



Kleisto said...

I am not trying to say that any other books are fully true either in this sense, cause none are. God's truth cannot be limited to any one book, it simply can't be done. Yet you do exactly this by saying only one book has God's truth in it.


You keep saying that, but you offer no reasoning to support this conclusion.

Please explain your reasoning for why "God's truth cannot be limited to any one book, it simply can't be done".


Because again he would cease to be unlimited if His truth was limited. It's simple logic.

And besides that, many books claim to have absolute truth. What does it say for a God who lets us all be confused to what the truth is, instead of making it obvious?


If it was obvious and easy, what would there be to earn? God tried giving us a paradise already. Man screwed that up and chose to be disobedient. Thus is why we have to EARN our way back to the paradise.

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Thu 12/30/10 02:04 PM




Kleisto said...

I am not trying to say that any other books are fully true either in this sense, cause none are. God's truth cannot be limited to any one book, it simply can't be done. Yet you do exactly this by saying only one book has God's truth in it.


You keep saying that, but you offer no reasoning to support this conclusion.

Please explain your reasoning for why "God's truth cannot be limited to any one book, it simply can't be done".


Because again he would cease to be unlimited if His truth was limited. It's simple logic.

And besides that, many books claim to have absolute truth. What does it say for a God who lets us all be confused to what the truth is, instead of making it obvious?


If it was obvious and easy, what would there be to earn? God tried giving us a paradise already. Man screwed that up and chose to be disobedient. Thus is why we have to EARN our way back to the paradise.


That's no excuse for inept communication.

Cowboy, it's clearly that all you ever do is make excuses for your God's ineptitude, but your excuses always fail.

Why not just confess that there are indeed very rational and sane reasons for people to reject the ancient Hebrew folklore?

Why push it?

When you tell people that you don't believe in a Moon Goddess or whatever, I seriously doubt that they continue to argue with you relentlessly accusing you of rejecting God if you refuse to believe it. whoa

It's not necessarily to justify your religious beliefs to us.

We don't feel a need to justify our religious beliefs to you. drinker

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Thu 12/30/10 02:18 PM





Kleisto said...

I am not trying to say that any other books are fully true either in this sense, cause none are. God's truth cannot be limited to any one book, it simply can't be done. Yet you do exactly this by saying only one book has God's truth in it.


You keep saying that, but you offer no reasoning to support this conclusion.

Please explain your reasoning for why "God's truth cannot be limited to any one book, it simply can't be done".


Because again he would cease to be unlimited if His truth was limited. It's simple logic.

And besides that, many books claim to have absolute truth. What does it say for a God who lets us all be confused to what the truth is, instead of making it obvious?


If it was obvious and easy, what would there be to earn? God tried giving us a paradise already. Man screwed that up and chose to be disobedient. Thus is why we have to EARN our way back to the paradise.


That's no excuse for inept communication.

Cowboy, it's clearly that all you ever do is make excuses for your God's ineptitude, but your excuses always fail.

Why not just confess that there are indeed very rational and sane reasons for people to reject the ancient Hebrew folklore?

Why push it?

When you tell people that you don't believe in a Moon Goddess or whatever, I seriously doubt that they continue to argue with you relentlessly accusing you of rejecting God if you refuse to believe it. whoa

It's not necessarily to justify your religious beliefs to us.

We don't feel a need to justify our religious beliefs to you. drinker


First off, I'm not searching for justification nor do I need justification lol, but thanks for the chuckle.

Secondly, I argue with no one. I'm not here to argue. I tell you the truth if you wish to believe it or not is up to you. Not here to convert anyone, not here to argue. Just here to enlighten people of the truth. If when I'm posting you see it as arguing with you, i'm sorry. Not arguing or debating, only showing the truth. And to stop people from spreading lies and false pretences about God.

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Thu 12/30/10 04:06 PM
Edited by Abracadabra on Thu 12/30/10 04:06 PM
We all offer our own truths.

For me, the truth is that all of the Abrahamic religions are faith-based religions.

For me, the truth is that I see no reason to place my faith in unreliable stories that claim that we are at odds with our creator.

For me, the truth is that I see no wisdom in thinking that our creator would be appeased by blood sacrifices, or even have the kind of persona that is portrayed in the Biblical stories.

The kind of truth that you speak of is irrelevant truth.

For example, is it true that in the story of Little Red Riding Hood the big bad wolf threatens to eat her? Yes, that may very well be truth. Does that mean that the story or characters themselves are true? No of course not.

The only truth that you can lay claim to is the truth that everything you preach from the Bible is actually printed in the book. (assuming you've got it right, tell no lies, and have interpreted things correctly).

However, that's the only truth that you can lay claim to.

I already know what's written in the Bible. So I already know that sort of truth.

That sort of truth is not impressive because there is no reason to believe that it represents anything beyond that.

In that sense, everything that can be recanted about ancient Greek Mythology is also the truth.

What I attempt to show people is the fallacies behind what you are calling truth.

It's truth that Zeus is the God of Gods. But is it really true that Zeus is even a God?

These are two different kinds of truths.

Is it truth that the bible claims that Jesus was the only begotten son of God? Yes, that is truth.

Is it truth that Jesus really was the only begotten son of God?

No mortal man can say.

All they can do is have faith that it might be true.

To make a claim beyond that would be a lie.





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Thu 12/30/10 07:41 PM



No I have never claimed that God is a demon Spider.

What I have said is that if I were to believe in the biblical scriptures I would have no choice but to believe that God is a demon.

And thus I reject those scriptures.

So that's not saying that God is a demon. It's actually saying the opposite.


I'm thinking that most 'scripture' is usually little more than Treehouse Lore used to keep the common riff-raff-- those Unbelievers With Cooties-- from gaining access without going through the requisite rituals of alleigance and spoiling Everything.

Of course, one can always invoke the Simpsons' Treehouse of Terror episodes.... :)


-Kerry O.

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