hmmm instead of making it obvious you say? Personally specifically giving us the 10 commandments, allowing his only begotten son to die for your sins, specifically making an appearance at while Jesus was on the cross and specifically said "This is my beloved son whom i'm well pleased". How much more "specific" do you wish to get? Should our father make an appearance every generation? Because if he doesn't it obviously just boils down to hearsay rumours when speaking of what once happened.

I mean obvious proof that the Bible is His word. If it's so obvious, everyone ought to be able to know it.

Everyone does know it, some choose to ignore what they know and go against what their conscience tells them. Some listen. But nevertheless, everyone does know.

I call BS, everyone does NOT know it. Speak for yourself there. Their conscience may say there is a God, but that the Bible is His Word? Please!

If it is not inspired by a divine entity, our father who art in heaven. What is it exactly that gets stirred up in you? Why say such things as "BS, everyone does NOT know it."? If it's fable, why not leave it be? What drives you to say foul things about it as previously mentioned?

Why do I say it? What drives me to say these things? What drives me is I know it's garbage that's what drives me, and I'm not gonna sit by and let others be deceived by such a controlling doctrine if I have anything to say about it. That's what drives me, and why I speak against it.

I love how you act like it's automatically true, because I'm arguing it. By that logic anything we argue against is automatically true. I also love how you think I believe it cause I argue it, now how on earth does that make sense? I argue against it and yet I believe in it? I mean come on, that makes no sense at all!

I heard there was a two for one and of year sale on gods...but there's a limit...

only one per customer.

Oh boy! Where do I get in on this great deal! gods are us?

Again with the "unlimited" thing. God can be omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent and still only be worshiped by one religion. You haven't offered any reasoning, you have offered conclusions. What makes you believe that God is "unlimited" and what makes you feel that God being "unlimited" makes it so that every religion has to have "some of the truth".

If every religion can have "bits of the truth", then one religion could have all of the truth or at least all of the truth that is known to mankind.

Now come on Cowboy, that's just crazy talk. How can someone know something about the Bible, if they have never read it? If Christianity were so self-evident that everyone knew it to be the truth, there wouldn't be nearly as many non-Christians. The simple fact is Christianity is much maligned and there is a great deal of misinformation about what we believe, which does make some people reject Christianity out of hand. There is also the background noise of thousands of religions out there to add to the confusion.

You are going to turn off a lot of people by telling them that they already know that Christianity is the truth, but are rejecting it.

Yeah see your point. Wouldn't want anyone to show another any form of love, since that's all the bible teaches us. ALL the laws given to us by God have something to do with loving another and not causing harm. Yeah see your point, wouldn't want that in the world.

It goes along with people when they are born know right from wrong. A person's conscience will tell you this if you listen to it. But some people refuse to listen to their conscience, some don't. That's why little kids are so sweet and innocent.

Why can't it be both ways...

You are god also and yet you are not.

Mohammad is not gods 'last' prophet because god will never leave us without a messenger.

the fact is that god can send his message in any way that god wishes... He is god.

Who are we to question the method of his delivery.

Because it would be a contradiction for God to be both perfect and imperfect. If you can deal with the cognitive dissonance, then believe how you wish. I believe in a perfect God and I am his creation, I am not God or part of God.

You pose the question, I'll give you my answer:

Yes, absolutely!

Any God who is going to pass judgments on people based on whether or not they are "obeying" his commands should indeed made an appearance to each every individual that he is planning on judging.

He should make it crystal clear to each and every individual precisely what he expects from them in no uncertain or ambiguous terms.

Moreover, he should give them a chance right then and there to express whether or not they are even interested in what he has to offer.

Why waste everyone's time keeping them guessing and arguing with each other over what they think God might expect from us?

So, yes, I have always felt this way. Any God who expect people to obey his commands, and is going to judge them based on their behavior should absolutely be right there to explain what's going on and why things are the way they are.

Moreover, what excuse would he have for constantly playing hide-and-seek, guessing games, and having people need to place their faith in totally undependable hearsay rumors that God can clearly see that no two people can even agree upon, much less entire socieities?

What sense does that even make?

So, yes, absolutely, God should be here on a continual basis. What's the point in playing hide-and-seek?

Especially when God could clearly see that people are even arguing with each other over whether or not God even exists, much less what God might expect from them.

In fact, when thought of this way, this actually supports atheism. The idea being that if there are people who don't even believe that this God exists, then why isn't this God stepping forward and answering their questions?

The Abrahamic religions are entirely FAITH-BASED Cowboy. And as I have stated many times, I see no reason to even want to place my faith in such a story. A judgmental jealous God who plays hide-and-seek and yet becomes all upset when people don't obey his commands? That's crazy already. What would I want to place PURE FAITH in the idea that our creator is like that?

Toss in all the blood sacrifices and having his only begotten son butchered on a pole to pay for the sins of man, and you've got the makings for a Saturday Night Horror Film.

And you expect me to place PURE FAITH in the "hope" that such a story is true?

That's crazy. I would rather place PURE FAITH in the "hope" that it's not true!

Sheesh! Why would I want such a morbid story to be true?

God only comes off as 'imperfect' when man writes his story...

He only appears imperfect because EVERY single work attributed to HIM is written by men or man...

using the tools of men or man...

and we know we are not perfect.

Not only that, but people who know full well that they genuinely and sincerely do not believe in the Hebrew stories know that Cowboy's claims are false.

I know that I sincerely do not believe that the Old Testament is the word of any all-wise God. And I also know that I sincerely believe that. if the man named Jesus actually existed at all, he was most likely a mortal man who was either grossly misunderstood, or the rumors about him were purposefully distorted and used to support a religion that Jesus himself was actually crucified for disagreeing with.

I see no reason at all to believe that the Abrahamic texts should be trusted. And it should be crystal clear to everyone why they can't be the word of any all-wise God. The texts themselves have diverged to become grossly different pictures of God, from Judaism, to Islam, to Catholicism, and the many protesting sects of Protestantism.

If some all-wise God were truly protecting HIS WORD to keep it his verbatim TRUTH, he would have never allowed it to have become so fragmented to the point where it actually opposes itself.

So that should tell us right there than none of these Abrahamic religions can be true. Not a single solitary one of them.

You haven't read the Old Testament or the New for that matter. You might genuinely and sincerely want people to believe you have, but that doesn't make it so.

If you insist that God is perfect, then you should instantly reject the Biblical stories as being from God, because they are far from perfect.

Just look at the BIG PICTURE. At one point God deals with sin by flooding out the bulk of humanity. Then later he deals with sin by having his only begotten son sacrificed to pay for the sins of man.

It doesn't truly matter which method of dealing with sin might seem more 'perfect', the bottom line is that two different methods were used. Thus God ORIGINAL plan cannot have been 'perfect' or he would not have changed it.

So no matter how hard you try, the Biblical stories can never be said to be a story of a "perfect" God. At best, it's a God who experiments with different ideas apparently hoping to find something that might actually work.

In fact, a God who is concerned about 'saving souls', yet loses the vast majority of souls that he creates can never be said to be a "Perfect Creator", as far as I'm concerned.

The biblical stories of a God, cannot be said to portray a God that is 'perfect'.

The Eastern Mystical picture, on the other hand could potentially qualify as being a picture of a perfect creator. So if you'd like to believe that God is perfect, then you should be studying Eastern Mysticism because that philosophy more closely aligns with the ideal of a perfect creator.

I'm not trying to sell you on Eastern Mysticism. I'm just saying that if you'd like a spiritual philosophy that is compatible with a 'perfect creator' then you should look into it. That's all.

We aren't arguing on the point that God is perfect.

What we are disagreeing on is that You, Him, Her or I am God or part of God. Humans are imperfect, therefore we aren't part of God and will never be part of God. Our imperfections will never go away, but we can be wrapped in the cloak of righteousness.