Thank you for pointing me to that page Peter. I see that people were twisting my words there too. And misrepresenting what I've said.

I've made no logical error on the page you've pointed to. My words were simply misunderstood by Cowboy is all. He was confusing Christianity with Christians. (i.e. confusing a religion with the people who claim to follow it)

In fact, this is a common error that people often make.

When a statement is made about a religion, people often take that as statement about the followers of the religion. But that's incorrect logic there too. It's especially an invalid notion with respect to a religion like Christianity where the followers are often in disagreement with each other on how they interpret the very scriptures that define the religion.

So your accusations against me are once again false and incorrect as usual.

If only that were true.

I'm not incorrect at all. You take a statement made by Cowboy and twist it to imply it's a confession and he agrees with you.

So by your very own logic "All you're doing is showing that you have no concept of logic or reasoning. A person makes a statement and you jump to conclusions that the statement never even remotely implied."

It's quite common for one with no logical rebuttal to do, even you say so.

And of course I was also correct in you attempting to deny it.

I said that Christianity does not own God.

Cowboy said that God is not only for "Christians". Well, Christians are people who believe in Christianity. Therefore, according to Cowboy God a belief in Christianity is unimportant since God is not only for "Christians"

No twisting required. Cowboy has confessed that God is for everyone, not just for Christians. Therefore God must be for people of all religions, and even atheists for that matter.



I'm glad we have finally settled this.

A belief in Christianity is totally unimportant.

"Jesus saith unto him,

'I am the way,

the truth,

and the life:

no man cometh unto the Father,


but by me.'" Joh_14:6,

Even if we were to accept these words, there is nothing in them that suggests that anyone needs to believe in Jesus. It doesn't say, "No man cometh unto the Father by by believing in me"

It just says that no man cometh to the Father but by me.

So there is nothing stopping Jesus form accepting Wiccans, Buddhists, Atheists, Muslims, Jews, and anyone he so desires to choose.

In other words, there is nothing in these words that gives Christians OWNERSHIP of Jesus.

Even if Jesus was God that doesn't give Christians the right to be so arrogant about it. Jesus didn't invent Christianity. Christianity is a highly bigoted religion that evolved after Jesus died. In fact much of what Christianity teaches wasn't even taught by Jesus.

Paul is NOT Jesus.

The Old Testament is NOT Jesus.

In fact, there is absolutely no reason to accept the King James cannon of fables as being supported by Jesus either.

There is nowhere in the New Testament where Jesus told people that they need to believe in the Torah VERBATIM, or that some New Testament collection of books would be written in the future that they would need to support in his name either.

So holding Jesus up as support for Christianity doesn't wash.

As far as I'm concerned Christianity is the anti-thesis of what Jesus actually stood for.

I am the way,

the truth,

and the life:

no man cometh unto the Father,


but by me

Cowboy wrote:

You can not worship God without the knowledge on how, which is told to us through the scriptures gathered together in what is called the bible.

You support religious bigotry.

I don't.

Cowboy wrote:

Notice I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH. If one wishes to go the way of another, they would need to follow the instructions given by that person. Say you are at point A and your friend went to point B but you're not sure how to get there. He tells you there is one route from point A to point B, it's the way. You would have to follow this person's instructions on how to get from point A to point B. No other instruction would get you where you want to go, you may get to point C, point D, or point E. But you would never get to point B without following the instructions to point B.

If I give you directions by pointing somewhere do you worship my finger?

No, you go where I'm pointing.

Jesus was pointing toward brotherly love, not religious bigotry.

So stop worshiping his finger and start doing as he taught.

And start recognizing other people who actually do as he taught rather than condemning them for not agreeing with your religious views.

Did Jesus tell anyone to support religious bigotry?

I think not.

If I give you directions by pointing somewhere do you worship my finger?

No, you go where I'm pointing.

Jesus was pointing toward brotherly love, not religious bigotry.

So stop worshiping his finger and start doing as he taught.

And start recognizing other people who actually do as he taught rather than condemning them for not agreeing with your religious views.

Did Jesus tell anyone to support religious bigotry?

I think not.

Why lie Abra? You do support religious bigotry. You are stubborn and have complete intolerance of Christianity or any other beliefs but your own.


Bigotry
–noun, plural -ries.
1.
stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
2.
the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.

Spider wrote:

Jesus taught a lot of things, but you reject 90% of what he said, because you are a religious bigot. So you are left with what you have cherry picked and then you insult Christians for trying to follow the 100%?

That's not true at all Cowboy.

Do I believe that YOU can get to God through your religious beliefs?

Absolutely!

Do you believe that I can get to God through my religious beliefs?

No, you don't.

Why not? Because you're bigoted and prejudiced against other religions.

Your stubborn, and completely intolerant of any other religious faiths. You condemn them all as being 'ungodly' and proclaim that anything short of worshiping Christianity is rejection of "Our Father" and "His Word".

Nope, sorry Cowboy.

You are the religious bigot here. Not me.

In fact, you have stated clearly, that you are not interested in what other religions even have to say. You aren't interested in learning about them. You have even stated that you aren't interested in what science has to say either and you aren't interested in learning of it either.

I'm open to hearing about ALL religions and spiritual ideas. But I'm not going to accept religious bigotry.

You're on these GENERAL RELIGION forums solely for the purpose of proselytizing Christianity and rejecting all other notions of spirituality. You use these forums as PULPIT to preach your religion to the EXCLUSION of all others.

That's religious bigotry my friend.

I'm saying that if you want to believe in Christianity that cool.

But YOU are saying to me that if I refuse to accept Christianity that's NOT cool.

You are condemning my spiritual views when I say that I believe in God even though I don't believe in the Bible.

You're condemning that view.

You are the one who is pushing and enforcing religious BIGOTRY.

Not me.

I must have said a billion times on these forums that I believe in God and that I have a great relationship with God.

You are the one who refuses to acknowledge and accept MY VIEWS.

If you have a great relationship with God through the Bible then MORE POWER TO YOU!

I ACCEPT THAT, Cowboy!

How many times to I need to tell you that?

When you can say the same thing about my spiritual views on Eastern Mysticism and Wicca, then you too can claim to be religiously tolerant like me.

Until you can do that, you are doing nothing but supporting and inciting religious bigotry.

If you refuse to see this, then it's you who is lying to yourself.

stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own

I'm NOT suggesting that you are rejecting God.

I'm NOT telling you that there is anything wrong with your approach to God.

Cowboy wrote:

Oh but you are the one that is the bigot. You are very intolerant to one that differs from your belief and or opinion. You go to name calling, you try to demean other's beliefs, you even bring things up out of context to try to use it to try giving it a bad name. If you don't believe in Christianity as you've shown many times, that's fine. That doesn't make you any less of a person, any less smart, or anything of such. You're making a wrong decision in my opinion, but that's me. And with having that opinion doesn't mean i'm a bigot that is intolerant to your beliefs. It's your choice my friend, your choice. What profit would I have for getting all bent out of shape about what YOU believe? We have no intolerance to other's belief. Having no tolerance would be doing things like some beliefs do. They go out and murder anyone who does not believe in that belief. Yes I know there were the Christian crusades and other incidents as such. But those actions are not backed by the word of God. God has not instructed us to do as such. Those people in the crusades were being bigots yes, but again the faith itself does not support such actions.

No, Cowboy I am not a religious bigot.

If you want to believe in the Bible and that Jesus is the only begotten son of God who died to pay for your sins. That's perfectly ok by me Cowboy.

I'm sure that any God is going to be perfectly happy with your belief. It's apparently a very sincere belief and you are trying hard to do your best to please God.

What God could possibly find any offense in that?

So I am not intolerant of you beliefs as long as you recognize and acknowledge that this is indeed what they are; YOU BELIEFS, and not mine.

But do you retain that view? No, you don't.

You retain the view that your religious beliefs are justification for condemning my religious beliefs, and even my scientific knowledge and understandings as well.

You continually suggest and imply that anyone who hasn't accepted your religious beliefs is rejecting "Our Father".

You really need to get past that. You need to find some way to re-interpret your scriptures to allow for a way that people can get to God without having to pacify YOU first.

Peter Pan seems to have found something in Romans 2 that supposedly allows for that. Maybe check with him for some ideas.