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Occam's Razor. The universe requires at least one god in order to exist. Occam's Razor suggests that it should be one god. not so. occam's razor compares two competing hypotheses. god is a postulate at best but even if genesis, for example, were accepted as an hypothesis the big bang, for instance would trump genesis as it has advanced to the higher level of a theory which can be tested to produce predictable and repeatable results. occam's razor does not apply when a hypothesis is in opposition to a theory. occam's razor does not apply to creation. |
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And he created and rules this world right?? Isn't that what the Bible says? That he (Lucifer or whoever) rules this world or this physical universe? Then why do people worship "God" as their creator, when apparently Lucifer is their creator? God created the earth and the creatures, including mankind. The whole "I would rather rule on earth than serve in heaven" bit was from a play, not the Bible. God does allow Satan somewhat free reign to wage spiritual warfare against humans, this will change in time. Spider do you not believe what you read in the Bible then? Rev 12:7-9 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. NKJV I don't know what you read, but what I posted said basically the same thing. Satan is here. He rules earth, but only because God allows it. God doesn't "allow" it, he commanded it. That's even worse........ Only you would think that a totally obedient servant would be "worse" than a rebelious, evil Angel who has free will... -"have you read the bible yet?" |
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And he created and rules this world right?? Isn't that what the Bible says? That he (Lucifer or whoever) rules this world or this physical universe? Then why do people worship "God" as their creator, when apparently Lucifer is their creator? God created the earth and the creatures, including mankind. The whole "I would rather rule on earth than serve in heaven" bit was from a play, not the Bible. God does allow Satan somewhat free reign to wage spiritual warfare against humans, this will change in time. Spider do you not believe what you read in the Bible then? Rev 12:7-9 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. NKJV I don't know what you read, but what I posted said basically the same thing. Satan is here. He rules earth, but only because God allows it. God doesn't "allow" it, he commanded it. That's even worse........ Only you would think that a totally obedient servant would be "worse" than a rebelious, evil Angel who has free will... What I think is worse is a God that commands evil. Divine that is NOT. |
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And he created and rules this world right?? Isn't that what the Bible says? That he (Lucifer or whoever) rules this world or this physical universe? Then why do people worship "God" as their creator, when apparently Lucifer is their creator? God created the earth and the creatures, including mankind. The whole "I would rather rule on earth than serve in heaven" bit was from a play, not the Bible. God does allow Satan somewhat free reign to wage spiritual warfare against humans, this will change in time. Spider do you not believe what you read in the Bible then? Rev 12:7-9 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. NKJV I don't know what you read, but what I posted said basically the same thing. Satan is here. He rules earth, but only because God allows it. God doesn't "allow" it, he commanded it. That's even worse........ Only you would think that a totally obedient servant would be "worse" than a rebelious, evil Angel who has free will... What I think is worse is a God that commands evil. Divine that is NOT. You really have been brainwashed, huh??? "such a small box for such a big head" - Me |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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And he created and rules this world right?? Isn't that what the Bible says? That he (Lucifer or whoever) rules this world or this physical universe? Then why do people worship "God" as their creator, when apparently Lucifer is their creator? God created the earth and the creatures, including mankind. The whole "I would rather rule on earth than serve in heaven" bit was from a play, not the Bible. God does allow Satan somewhat free reign to wage spiritual warfare against humans, this will change in time. Spider do you not believe what you read in the Bible then? Rev 12:7-9 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. NKJV I don't know what you read, but what I posted said basically the same thing. Satan is here. He rules earth, but only because God allows it. God doesn't "allow" it, he commanded it. That's even worse........ Only you would think that a totally obedient servant would be "worse" than a rebelious, evil Angel who has free will... What I think is worse is a God that commands evil. Divine that is NOT. You really have been brainwashed, huh??? "such a small box for such a big head" - Me Not as much as Christians have.......but no matter think what you want I could care less how you feel about me. |
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And he created and rules this world right?? Isn't that what the Bible says? That he (Lucifer or whoever) rules this world or this physical universe? Then why do people worship "God" as their creator, when apparently Lucifer is their creator? God created the earth and the creatures, including mankind. The whole "I would rather rule on earth than serve in heaven" bit was from a play, not the Bible. God does allow Satan somewhat free reign to wage spiritual warfare against humans, this will change in time. Spider do you not believe what you read in the Bible then? Rev 12:7-9 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. NKJV I don't know what you read, but what I posted said basically the same thing. Satan is here. He rules earth, but only because God allows it. God doesn't "allow" it, he commanded it. That's even worse........ Only you would think that a totally obedient servant would be "worse" than a rebelious, evil Angel who has free will... What I think is worse is a God that commands evil. Divine that is NOT. You really have been brainwashed, huh??? "such a small box for such a big head" - Me Not as much as Christians have.......but no matter think what you want I could care less how you feel about me. Then why bother responding to anything I write? |
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And he created and rules this world right?? Isn't that what the Bible says? That he (Lucifer or whoever) rules this world or this physical universe? Then why do people worship "God" as their creator, when apparently Lucifer is their creator? God created the earth and the creatures, including mankind. The whole "I would rather rule on earth than serve in heaven" bit was from a play, not the Bible. God does allow Satan somewhat free reign to wage spiritual warfare against humans, this will change in time. Spider do you not believe what you read in the Bible then? Rev 12:7-9 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. NKJV I don't know what you read, but what I posted said basically the same thing. Satan is here. He rules earth, but only because God allows it. God doesn't "allow" it, he commanded it. That's even worse........ Only you would think that a totally obedient servant would be "worse" than a rebelious, evil Angel who has free will... What I think is worse is a God that commands evil. Divine that is NOT. You really have been brainwashed, huh??? "such a small box for such a big head" - Me Not as much as Christians have.......but no matter think what you want I could care less how you feel about me. Then why bother responding to anything I write? At this point I don't even know why I do anymore. |
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And he created and rules this world right?? Isn't that what the Bible says? That he (Lucifer or whoever) rules this world or this physical universe? Then why do people worship "God" as their creator, when apparently Lucifer is their creator? God created the earth and the creatures, including mankind. The whole "I would rather rule on earth than serve in heaven" bit was from a play, not the Bible. God does allow Satan somewhat free reign to wage spiritual warfare against humans, this will change in time. Spider do you not believe what you read in the Bible then? Rev 12:7-9 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. NKJV I don't know what you read, but what I posted said basically the same thing. Satan is here. He rules earth, but only because God allows it. God doesn't "allow" it, he commanded it. That's even worse........ Only you would think that a totally obedient servant would be "worse" than a rebelious, evil Angel who has free will... What I think is worse is a God that commands evil. Divine that is NOT. You really have been brainwashed, huh??? "such a small box for such a big head" - Me Not as much as Christians have.......but no matter think what you want I could care less how you feel about me. Then why bother responding to anything I write? At this point I don't even know why I do anymore. And you respond yet again... Weird, huh? |
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And he created and rules this world right?? Isn't that what the Bible says? That he (Lucifer or whoever) rules this world or this physical universe? Then why do people worship "God" as their creator, when apparently Lucifer is their creator? God created the earth and the creatures, including mankind. The whole "I would rather rule on earth than serve in heaven" bit was from a play, not the Bible. God does allow Satan somewhat free reign to wage spiritual warfare against humans, this will change in time. Spider do you not believe what you read in the Bible then? Rev 12:7-9 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. NKJV I don't know what you read, but what I posted said basically the same thing. Satan is here. He rules earth, but only because God allows it. God doesn't "allow" it, he commanded it. That's even worse........ Only you would think that a totally obedient servant would be "worse" than a rebelious, evil Angel who has free will... What I think is worse is a God that commands evil. Divine that is NOT. You really have been brainwashed, huh??? "such a small box for such a big head" - Me Not as much as Christians have.......but no matter think what you want I could care less how you feel about me. Then why bother responding to anything I write? At this point I don't even know why I do anymore. And you respond yet again... Weird, huh? You asked a question so I answered, is that so hard to grasp? |
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And he created and rules this world right?? Isn't that what the Bible says? That he (Lucifer or whoever) rules this world or this physical universe? Then why do people worship "God" as their creator, when apparently Lucifer is their creator? God created the earth and the creatures, including mankind. The whole "I would rather rule on earth than serve in heaven" bit was from a play, not the Bible. God does allow Satan somewhat free reign to wage spiritual warfare against humans, this will change in time. Spider do you not believe what you read in the Bible then? Rev 12:7-9 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. NKJV I don't know what you read, but what I posted said basically the same thing. Satan is here. He rules earth, but only because God allows it. God doesn't "allow" it, he commanded it. That's even worse........ Only you would think that a totally obedient servant would be "worse" than a rebelious, evil Angel who has free will... What I think is worse is a God that commands evil. Divine that is NOT. You really have been brainwashed, huh??? "such a small box for such a big head" - Me Not as much as Christians have.......but no matter think what you want I could care less how you feel about me. Then why bother responding to anything I write? At this point I don't even know why I do anymore. And you respond yet again... Weird, huh? You asked a question so I answered, is that so hard to grasp? No, I made a statement, towards spider. I only asked you rhetorical questions that I already have an answer for. |
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And he created and rules this world right?? Isn't that what the Bible says? That he (Lucifer or whoever) rules this world or this physical universe? Then why do people worship "God" as their creator, when apparently Lucifer is their creator? God created the earth and the creatures, including mankind. The whole "I would rather rule on earth than serve in heaven" bit was from a play, not the Bible. God does allow Satan somewhat free reign to wage spiritual warfare against humans, this will change in time. Spider do you not believe what you read in the Bible then? Rev 12:7-9 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. NKJV I don't know what you read, but what I posted said basically the same thing. Satan is here. He rules earth, but only because God allows it. God doesn't "allow" it, he commanded it. That's even worse........ Only you would think that a totally obedient servant would be "worse" than a rebelious, evil Angel who has free will... What I think is worse is a God that commands evil. Divine that is NOT. You really have been brainwashed, huh??? "such a small box for such a big head" - Me Not as much as Christians have.......but no matter think what you want I could care less how you feel about me. Then why bother responding to anything I write? At this point I don't even know why I do anymore. And you respond yet again... Weird, huh? You asked a question so I answered, is that so hard to grasp? No, I made a statement, towards spider. I only asked you rhetorical questions that I already have an answer for. Fine whatever, the hell with it. |
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Edited by
jrbogie
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hey fellas, there are two posts other than your elementary school yard bickering on this entire page. like me you likely have a scroll wheel on your little mouse thingy. works great for scrolling past posts you'd care not to read. there's also a private message feature you can use so the rest of us who enjoy debating the topic at hand don't have to use OUR OWN scroll wheel on OUR OWN little mouse thingy to scroll through your several posts, page long diatribe just to get to a post on the topic worthy of a reply.
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Occam's Razor. The universe requires at least one god in order to exist. Occam's Razor suggests that it should be one god. not so. occam's razor compares two competing hypotheses. god is a postulate at best but even if genesis, for example, were accepted as an hypothesis the big bang, for instance would trump genesis as it has advanced to the higher level of a theory which can be tested to produce predictable and repeatable results. occam's razor does not apply when a hypothesis is in opposition to a theory. occam's razor does not apply to creation. No. Science can't explain WHAT caused the Big Bang. The Big Bang actually defies reason, because of causality. I'm proposing that God caused the Big Bang, you have NO EXPLANATION for the cause of the Big Bang. So you are rejecting a possible hypothesis in favor of nothing. Atheists pretend that saying "The most likely scenario is that God caused the big bang" would bring science to a screeching halt. Nothing could be further from the truth. God isn't "magic", we can learn HOW God did something! So we would continue to study and if we found another theory that better explained the Big Bang, then it would replace the God did it hypothesis. There is no reason why God cannot be hypothesized at be the creator, other than unreasoning bigotry. The idea that religion doesn't have a place in science is purely an atheist knee jerk reaction. Throughout history, Christian scientists have started with the idea that "God did this, let me figure out HOW he did it" and science progressed just fine. Galileo was a Christian his whole life, so was Issac Newton, so was Leibnitz, etc. Even Einstein believed in a god of some kind and believed it would be possible to find out how that god has created the universe. "How did God do this" DROVE science for over a thousand years, but since it became unfashionable for scientists to believe in God, all that has changed is that science has lost it's "holy mission" to explore the universe that God created for us. Progress didn't stop, slow down or speed up, but now sometimes the most obvious conclusion is ignored. It took hundreds of years for scientists to accept that the Universe had a beginning, not because evidence didn't exist to support that hypothesis, but because they felt it would mean that GOD existed. |
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hey fellas, there are two posts other than your elementary school yard bickering on this entire page. like me you likely have a scroll wheel on your little mouse thingy. works great for scrolling past posts you'd care not to read. there's also a private message feature you can use so the rest of us who enjoy debating the topic at hand don't have to use OUR OWN scroll wheel on OUR OWN little mouse thingy to scroll through your several posts, page long diatribe just to get to a post on the topic worthy of a reply. Lol, I love a good breakdown. Cry me a river... |
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Q:Where did God come from?
A:From the imagination of men. As i said before and i'll say it a million times if people would have listened to this man Democritus  the world would be free of the myth of religion |
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Edited by
jrbogie
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Occam's Razor. The universe requires at least one god in order to exist. Occam's Razor suggests that it should be one god. not so. occam's razor compares two competing hypotheses. god is a postulate at best but even if genesis, for example, were accepted as an hypothesis the big bang, for instance would trump genesis as it has advanced to the higher level of a theory which can be tested to produce predictable and repeatable results. occam's razor does not apply when a hypothesis is in opposition to a theory. occam's razor does not apply to creation. No. Science can't explain WHAT caused the Big Bang. The Big Bang actually defies reason, because of causality. I'm proposing that God caused the Big Bang, you have NO EXPLANATION for the cause of the Big Bang. So you are rejecting a possible hypothesis in favor of nothing. Atheists pretend that saying "The most likely scenario is that God caused the big bang" would bring science to a screeching halt. Nothing could be further from the truth. God isn't "magic", we can learn HOW God did something! So we would continue to study and if we found another theory that better explained the Big Bang, then it would replace the God did it hypothesis. There is no reason why God cannot be hypothesized at be the creator, other than unreasoning bigotry. The idea that religion doesn't have a place in science is purely an atheist knee jerk reaction. Throughout history, Christian scientists have started with the idea that "God did this, let me figure out HOW he did it" and science progressed just fine. Galileo was a Christian his whole life, so was Issac Newton, so was Leibnitz, etc. Even Einstein believed in a god of some kind and believed it would be possible to find out how that god has created the universe. "How did God do this" DROVE science for over a thousand years, but since it became unfashionable for scientists to believe in God, all that has changed is that science has lost it's "holy mission" to explore the universe that God created for us. Progress didn't stop, slow down or speed up, but now sometimes the most obvious conclusion is ignored. It took hundreds of years for scientists to accept that the Universe had a beginning, not because evidence didn't exist to support that hypothesis, but because they felt it would mean that GOD existed. you missed the point entirely. again, occam's razor suggests that when two competing HYPPOTHESES are at odds, go with the hypothesis that makes the fewest new assumptions. the big bang is a full blown scientific THEORY, not a mere hypothesis, that scientific methodology has advanced with various tests that continue to produce predictable and repeatable results. i'm not about to get into a discussion of the big bang with someone who holds on to creation as a belief nor will i argue the religious stance of newton, einstein, et.al., who are not here to confirm or deny. such arguments never gets anybody anywhere nor are they germane. but occam's razor does not apply whatsoever when god, an hypothesis at best, but more a postulate as i see it, competes with the big bang, a widely accepted theory, if not by you then by me and many theoretical and astro physicists. |
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Edited by
donthatoneguy
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not so. occam's razor compares two competing hypotheses. god is a postulate at best but even if genesis, for example, were accepted as an hypothesis the big bang, for instance would trump genesis as it has advanced to the higher level of a theory which can be tested to produce predictable and repeatable results. occam's razor does not apply when a hypothesis is in opposition to a theory. occam's razor does not apply to creation. No. Science can't explain WHAT caused the Big Bang. The Big Bang actually defies reason, because of causality. I'm proposing that God caused the Big Bang, you have NO EXPLANATION for the cause of the Big Bang. So you are rejecting a possible hypothesis in favor of nothing. Atheists pretend that saying "The most likely scenario is that God caused the big bang" would bring science to a screeching halt. Nothing could be further from the truth. God isn't "magic", we can learn HOW God did something! So we would continue to study and if we found another theory that better explained the Big Bang, then it would replace the God did it hypothesis. There is no reason why God cannot be hypothesized at be the creator, other than unreasoning bigotry. The idea that religion doesn't have a place in science is purely an atheist knee jerk reaction. It doesn't defy reason if the scientific community holds the Big Bang Theory as the most plausible cause for the creation of the universe. The idea that religion has no place in science is purely scientific, not atheistic. You cannot assume some great fictional creator did everything first because at that point you're not looking for "what happened here", you're looking at "how did this fictional creator do this" ... its not scientific and it doesn't get unbiased or repetitive results. Throughout history, Christian scientists have started with the idea that "God did this, let me figure out HOW he did it" and science progressed just fine. Galileo was a Christian his whole life, so was Issac Newton, so was Leibnitz, etc. Even Einstein believed in a god of some kind and believed it would be possible to find out how that god has created the universe. "How did God do this" DROVE science for over a thousand years, but since it became unfashionable for scientists to believe in God, all that has changed is that science has lost it's "holy mission" to explore the universe that God created for us. Progress didn't stop, slow down or speed up, but now sometimes the most obvious conclusion is ignored. It took hundreds of years for scientists to accept that the Universe had a beginning, not because evidence didn't exist to support that hypothesis, but because they felt it would mean that GOD existed. From what I remember, Isaac Newton was only "religious" because of his association with the Masons. Einstein was an atheist, though he did use the word God to describe the mystery, beauty and vastness of the universe ... he, himself, explained this when asked and also stated that he did not believe in any kind of sentient creator. "How did God do this" may have driven science for over a thousand years, but where was it driven? Most of the time scientists were being paid to drive science in specific directions and results to appease the church (who was paying them) to continually prove God's existence. This is not science. If you don't believe scientific progress has greatly accelerated over the past hundred years or so after religion was mostly dropped from the equation, you need to open up a science book or two. |
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God. Is the name that all religions give to the higher power that created planet earth and the other planets.we canot define which we dont know ,although many are raised with a specific believe regarding religion
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Spidercmb post:
No. Science can't explain WHAT caused the Big Bang. The Big Bang actually defies reason, because of causality. I'm proposing that God caused the Big Bang, you have NO EXPLANATION for the cause of the Big Bang. The latest researched found that phenomenon of the duality of matter - called anti- mater /part of them are aka "black holes" / and one of the most anti-logical acting of it . Antimatter annihilated matter but in the same time that converted in a complicated and till now not known kind 'semi-matter'/kind existing in non-existing/ which in time what moment appeared in different place keeping its characteristics. So maybe the existence of parallel doesn't exist only in tails and maybe will come time when the Man will start to understand what is God . |
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RKISIT post:
Q:Where did God come from? From nowhere god doesn't come and go God is postulate A:From the imagination of men. That not God that's the mythology As i said before and i'll say it a million times if people would have listened to this man Democrit the world would be free of the myth of religion That's nice if ppl quoting something/someone get some efforts to understood the reason of that quotation ... So is you check when Democritus was born and die (460–457 BC} and read what I post above then you gonna get the idea of his quotation ... because that time are famous like pantheistic time /pantheism/ |
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