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Because God didn't necessarily "take" anything per say. right..he didn't "take" anything but a body part out of Adam The body part was not his. The body part belongs to God. is the Will located in the body? Your will comes from your spirit. Your spirit is only in this body temporarily. Your will does not come from your body unless you allow your will to be one with the flesh and it's fleshly desires. so is the "will" part of the body....yes or no Depends on who's will you're speaking of. People that lust after fleshly desires, their will is in the flesh. Those that seek after spiritual things, their will is in the spirit thirsting after God. whether they lust or not...is the will located in the body? Yes, lusting is one of the fleshly desires. If one has made their will one with the flesh, they will desire fleshly things, fornication and so forth. whether ones "Will" is to lust for flesh or to thirst for God ...is the will located in the body? I have answered the question already, but I will answer again just for you. If one's biggest desires is fleshly desires, their will is with the flesh. If one's biggest desires is with God, their will is with God. yes or no Cowboy.....is the will located in the body You're not listening funches. A "will" is not a physical object, it is a descriptive word. It describes what you want to be true, what you know to be true. Example - You have faith it's gonna rain You have faith you'll get this job You believe without a doubt it's gonna rain. You believe without a doubt you'll get this job. Cowboy...it doesn't matter what you believe "Will" is...I simply asked you is it located in the body...it's a simple yes or no answer If one has fleshly desires, then yes there will is in the flesh. so where is the will located in those that have no fleshy desires ...is it in the body Depends on where they put their will. In your statement it clearifys the will not being in the flesh. So the only other place I know of to put it, is in God. cool...so those that give their Will to God have no will in their body No will in the flesh, yes. |
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Because God didn't necessarily "take" anything per say. right..he didn't "take" anything but a body part out of Adam The body part was not his. The body part belongs to God. is the Will located in the body? Your will comes from your spirit. Your spirit is only in this body temporarily. Your will does not come from your body unless you allow your will to be one with the flesh and it's fleshly desires. so is the "will" part of the body....yes or no Depends on who's will you're speaking of. People that lust after fleshly desires, their will is in the flesh. Those that seek after spiritual things, their will is in the spirit thirsting after God. whether they lust or not...is the will located in the body? Yes, lusting is one of the fleshly desires. If one has made their will one with the flesh, they will desire fleshly things, fornication and so forth. whether ones "Will" is to lust for flesh or to thirst for God ...is the will located in the body? I have answered the question already, but I will answer again just for you. If one's biggest desires is fleshly desires, their will is with the flesh. If one's biggest desires is with God, their will is with God. yes or no Cowboy.....is the will located in the body You're not listening funches. A "will" is not a physical object, it is a descriptive word. It describes what you want to be true, what you know to be true. Example - You have faith it's gonna rain You have faith you'll get this job You believe without a doubt it's gonna rain. You believe without a doubt you'll get this job. Cowboy...it doesn't matter what you believe "Will" is...I simply asked you is it located in the body...it's a simple yes or no answer If one has fleshly desires, then yes there will is in the flesh. so where is the will located in those that have no fleshy desires ...is it in the body Depends on where they put their will. In your statement it clearifys the will not being in the flesh. So the only other place I know of to put it, is in God. cool...so those that give their Will to God have no will in their body No will in the flesh, yes. God condemned sin in the flesh. You live by the flesh, you die by the flesh. Romans 8:3 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: |
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Because God didn't necessarily "take" anything per say. right..he didn't "take" anything but a body part out of Adam The body part was not his. The body part belongs to God. is the Will located in the body? Your will comes from your spirit. Your spirit is only in this body temporarily. Your will does not come from your body unless you allow your will to be one with the flesh and it's fleshly desires. so is the "will" part of the body....yes or no Depends on who's will you're speaking of. People that lust after fleshly desires, their will is in the flesh. Those that seek after spiritual things, their will is in the spirit thirsting after God. whether they lust or not...is the will located in the body? Yes, lusting is one of the fleshly desires. If one has made their will one with the flesh, they will desire fleshly things, fornication and so forth. whether ones "Will" is to lust for flesh or to thirst for God ...is the will located in the body? I have answered the question already, but I will answer again just for you. If one's biggest desires is fleshly desires, their will is with the flesh. If one's biggest desires is with God, their will is with God. yes or no Cowboy.....is the will located in the body You're not listening funches. A "will" is not a physical object, it is a descriptive word. It describes what you want to be true, what you know to be true. Example - You have faith it's gonna rain You have faith you'll get this job You believe without a doubt it's gonna rain. You believe without a doubt you'll get this job. Cowboy...it doesn't matter what you believe "Will" is...I simply asked you is it located in the body...it's a simple yes or no answer If one has fleshly desires, then yes there will is in the flesh. so where is the will located in those that have no fleshy desires ...is it in the body Depends on where they put their will. In your statement it clearifys the will not being in the flesh. So the only other place I know of to put it, is in God. cool...so those that give their Will to God have no will in their body No will in the flesh, yes. so everyones "Will" is in the flesh and of the body |
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Because God didn't necessarily "take" anything per say. right..he didn't "take" anything but a body part out of Adam The body part was not his. The body part belongs to God. is the Will located in the body? Your will comes from your spirit. Your spirit is only in this body temporarily. Your will does not come from your body unless you allow your will to be one with the flesh and it's fleshly desires. so is the "will" part of the body....yes or no Depends on who's will you're speaking of. People that lust after fleshly desires, their will is in the flesh. Those that seek after spiritual things, their will is in the spirit thirsting after God. whether they lust or not...is the will located in the body? Yes, lusting is one of the fleshly desires. If one has made their will one with the flesh, they will desire fleshly things, fornication and so forth. whether ones "Will" is to lust for flesh or to thirst for God ...is the will located in the body? I have answered the question already, but I will answer again just for you. If one's biggest desires is fleshly desires, their will is with the flesh. If one's biggest desires is with God, their will is with God. yes or no Cowboy.....is the will located in the body You're not listening funches. A "will" is not a physical object, it is a descriptive word. It describes what you want to be true, what you know to be true. Example - You have faith it's gonna rain You have faith you'll get this job You believe without a doubt it's gonna rain. You believe without a doubt you'll get this job. Cowboy...it doesn't matter what you believe "Will" is...I simply asked you is it located in the body...it's a simple yes or no answer If one has fleshly desires, then yes there will is in the flesh. so where is the will located in those that have no fleshy desires ...is it in the body Depends on where they put their will. In your statement it clearifys the will not being in the flesh. So the only other place I know of to put it, is in God. cool...so those that give their Will to God have no will in their body No will in the flesh, yes. so everyones "Will" is in the flesh and of the body No, not everyone's will is in the flesh. |
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Because God didn't necessarily "take" anything per say. right..he didn't "take" anything but a body part out of Adam The body part was not his. The body part belongs to God. is the Will located in the body? Your will comes from your spirit. Your spirit is only in this body temporarily. Your will does not come from your body unless you allow your will to be one with the flesh and it's fleshly desires. so is the "will" part of the body....yes or no Depends on who's will you're speaking of. People that lust after fleshly desires, their will is in the flesh. Those that seek after spiritual things, their will is in the spirit thirsting after God. whether they lust or not...is the will located in the body? Yes, lusting is one of the fleshly desires. If one has made their will one with the flesh, they will desire fleshly things, fornication and so forth. whether ones "Will" is to lust for flesh or to thirst for God ...is the will located in the body? I have answered the question already, but I will answer again just for you. If one's biggest desires is fleshly desires, their will is with the flesh. If one's biggest desires is with God, their will is with God. yes or no Cowboy.....is the will located in the body You're not listening funches. A "will" is not a physical object, it is a descriptive word. It describes what you want to be true, what you know to be true. Example - You have faith it's gonna rain You have faith you'll get this job You believe without a doubt it's gonna rain. You believe without a doubt you'll get this job. Cowboy...it doesn't matter what you believe "Will" is...I simply asked you is it located in the body...it's a simple yes or no answer If one has fleshly desires, then yes there will is in the flesh. so where is the will located in those that have no fleshy desires ...is it in the body Depends on where they put their will. In your statement it clearifys the will not being in the flesh. So the only other place I know of to put it, is in God. cool...so those that give their Will to God have no will in their body No will in the flesh, yes. so everyones "Will" is in the flesh and of the body No, not everyone's will is in the flesh. what matter of human will is not in the body |
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Because God didn't necessarily "take" anything per say. right..he didn't "take" anything but a body part out of Adam The body part was not his. The body part belongs to God. is the Will located in the body? Your will comes from your spirit. Your spirit is only in this body temporarily. Your will does not come from your body unless you allow your will to be one with the flesh and it's fleshly desires. so is the "will" part of the body....yes or no Depends on who's will you're speaking of. People that lust after fleshly desires, their will is in the flesh. Those that seek after spiritual things, their will is in the spirit thirsting after God. whether they lust or not...is the will located in the body? Yes, lusting is one of the fleshly desires. If one has made their will one with the flesh, they will desire fleshly things, fornication and so forth. whether ones "Will" is to lust for flesh or to thirst for God ...is the will located in the body? I have answered the question already, but I will answer again just for you. If one's biggest desires is fleshly desires, their will is with the flesh. If one's biggest desires is with God, their will is with God. yes or no Cowboy.....is the will located in the body You're not listening funches. A "will" is not a physical object, it is a descriptive word. It describes what you want to be true, what you know to be true. Example - You have faith it's gonna rain You have faith you'll get this job You believe without a doubt it's gonna rain. You believe without a doubt you'll get this job. Cowboy...it doesn't matter what you believe "Will" is...I simply asked you is it located in the body...it's a simple yes or no answer If one has fleshly desires, then yes there will is in the flesh. so where is the will located in those that have no fleshy desires ...is it in the body Depends on where they put their will. In your statement it clearifys the will not being in the flesh. So the only other place I know of to put it, is in God. cool...so those that give their Will to God have no will in their body No will in the flesh, yes. so everyones "Will" is in the flesh and of the body No, not everyone's will is in the flesh. what matter of human will is not in the body I can't account for everybody. But my will is with the father. |
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Because God didn't necessarily "take" anything per say. right..he didn't "take" anything but a body part out of Adam The body part was not his. The body part belongs to God. is the Will located in the body? Your will comes from your spirit. Your spirit is only in this body temporarily. Your will does not come from your body unless you allow your will to be one with the flesh and it's fleshly desires. so is the "will" part of the body....yes or no Depends on who's will you're speaking of. People that lust after fleshly desires, their will is in the flesh. Those that seek after spiritual things, their will is in the spirit thirsting after God. whether they lust or not...is the will located in the body? Yes, lusting is one of the fleshly desires. If one has made their will one with the flesh, they will desire fleshly things, fornication and so forth. whether ones "Will" is to lust for flesh or to thirst for God ...is the will located in the body? I have answered the question already, but I will answer again just for you. If one's biggest desires is fleshly desires, their will is with the flesh. If one's biggest desires is with God, their will is with God. yes or no Cowboy.....is the will located in the body You're not listening funches. A "will" is not a physical object, it is a descriptive word. It describes what you want to be true, what you know to be true. Example - You have faith it's gonna rain You have faith you'll get this job You believe without a doubt it's gonna rain. You believe without a doubt you'll get this job. Cowboy...it doesn't matter what you believe "Will" is...I simply asked you is it located in the body...it's a simple yes or no answer If one has fleshly desires, then yes there will is in the flesh. so where is the will located in those that have no fleshy desires ...is it in the body Depends on where they put their will. In your statement it clearifys the will not being in the flesh. So the only other place I know of to put it, is in God. cool...so those that give their Will to God have no will in their body No will in the flesh, yes. so everyones "Will" is in the flesh and of the body No, not everyone's will is in the flesh. what matter of human will is not in the body I can't account for everybody. But my will is with the father. so you no longer have will in your body? |
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Because God didn't necessarily "take" anything per say. right..he didn't "take" anything but a body part out of Adam The body part was not his. The body part belongs to God. is the Will located in the body? Your will comes from your spirit. Your spirit is only in this body temporarily. Your will does not come from your body unless you allow your will to be one with the flesh and it's fleshly desires. so is the "will" part of the body....yes or no Depends on who's will you're speaking of. People that lust after fleshly desires, their will is in the flesh. Those that seek after spiritual things, their will is in the spirit thirsting after God. whether they lust or not...is the will located in the body? Yes, lusting is one of the fleshly desires. If one has made their will one with the flesh, they will desire fleshly things, fornication and so forth. whether ones "Will" is to lust for flesh or to thirst for God ...is the will located in the body? I have answered the question already, but I will answer again just for you. If one's biggest desires is fleshly desires, their will is with the flesh. If one's biggest desires is with God, their will is with God. yes or no Cowboy.....is the will located in the body You're not listening funches. A "will" is not a physical object, it is a descriptive word. It describes what you want to be true, what you know to be true. Example - You have faith it's gonna rain You have faith you'll get this job You believe without a doubt it's gonna rain. You believe without a doubt you'll get this job. Cowboy...it doesn't matter what you believe "Will" is...I simply asked you is it located in the body...it's a simple yes or no answer If one has fleshly desires, then yes there will is in the flesh. so where is the will located in those that have no fleshy desires ...is it in the body Depends on where they put their will. In your statement it clearifys the will not being in the flesh. So the only other place I know of to put it, is in God. cool...so those that give their Will to God have no will in their body No will in the flesh, yes. so everyones "Will" is in the flesh and of the body No, not everyone's will is in the flesh. what matter of human will is not in the body I can't account for everybody. But my will is with the father. so you no longer have will in your body? Sometimes I do get weak and am obedient to the will of the flesh, yes. But for the general note, no my will is entirely with the father who art in heaven. |
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Peter Pan wrote: I love the false dilema. One could also be saved from themselves... I see the good, you see the bad.... It's not about good or bad. It's about whether or not a creator is a threat to his creation. You're still in denial over that fact that this created has clearly done very hateful things. He curses a serpent to crawl on his belly and eat dust for the rest of his days. That's a hateful thing to do someone whether they deserve it or not. Moreover, the question of whether or not the punishment fit the crime is clearly open to controversy. Even humans have ethical standards against "cruel and unusual punishments". And then there the question of rehabilitation. Did God give up on that. Is this God powerless to rehabilitate his faulty creations? Shouldn't he have sent the serpent to a rehab center for medical and psychiatric treatment? Only a loser God who is totally powerless to deal with these kinds of problem would cruse someone to crawl on their belly and eat dust. What exactly would a creator hope to achieve by doing that?  Even humans of mediocre intelligence know that kicking a dog is not a good means of training it. So right off the bat, at square one we are being asked to have faith that our creator has absolutely no power or wisdom to solve problems in a positive manner. All he knows how to do is kick his dog.  I mean, these are quite serious questions if people are going to suggest to me that these ancient myths should be taken "seriously". I see no reason to place my faith in a God who solves his problems using methods equivalent to kicking his dog. And then he turns to Eve and curses her with greatly multiplied sorrow in conception and childbirth. Just kicking his pets yet again. A dog-kicking God basically. That's his divine example of how to solve problems. And you actually claim to see "good" in that? Where? |
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funchees, afraid to answer my question?
Free will isn't "free", it is earned by one's desire to think for themselves. Let's see if you have enough free will to answer my question. I bet you don't... What did God suposedly take out of Adam?  |
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Because God didn't necessarily "take" anything per say. right..he didn't "take" anything but a body part out of Adam The body part was not his. The body part belongs to God. is the Will located in the body? Your will comes from your spirit. Your spirit is only in this body temporarily. Your will does not come from your body unless you allow your will to be one with the flesh and it's fleshly desires. so is the "will" part of the body....yes or no Depends on who's will you're speaking of. People that lust after fleshly desires, their will is in the flesh. Those that seek after spiritual things, their will is in the spirit thirsting after God. whether they lust or not...is the will located in the body? Yes, lusting is one of the fleshly desires. If one has made their will one with the flesh, they will desire fleshly things, fornication and so forth. whether ones "Will" is to lust for flesh or to thirst for God ...is the will located in the body? I have answered the question already, but I will answer again just for you. If one's biggest desires is fleshly desires, their will is with the flesh. If one's biggest desires is with God, their will is with God. yes or no Cowboy.....is the will located in the body You're not listening funches. A "will" is not a physical object, it is a descriptive word. It describes what you want to be true, what you know to be true. Example - You have faith it's gonna rain You have faith you'll get this job You believe without a doubt it's gonna rain. You believe without a doubt you'll get this job. Cowboy...it doesn't matter what you believe "Will" is...I simply asked you is it located in the body...it's a simple yes or no answer If one has fleshly desires, then yes there will is in the flesh. so where is the will located in those that have no fleshy desires ...is it in the body Depends on where they put their will. In your statement it clearifys the will not being in the flesh. So the only other place I know of to put it, is in God. cool...so those that give their Will to God have no will in their body No will in the flesh, yes. so everyones "Will" is in the flesh and of the body No, not everyone's will is in the flesh. what matter of human will is not in the body I can't account for everybody. But my will is with the father. so you no longer have will in your body? Sometimes I do get weak and am obedient to the will of the flesh, yes. But for the general note, no my will is entirely with the father who art in heaven. if you have no will...then you're little more than a robot |
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Peter Pan wrote: I love the false dilema. One could also be saved from themselves... I see the good, you see the bad.... It's not about good or bad. It's about whether or not a creator is a threat to his creation. You're still in denial over that fact that this created has clearly done very hateful things. He curses a serpent to crawl on his belly and eat dust for the rest of his days. That's a hateful thing to do someone whether they deserve it or not. Moreover, the question of whether or not the punishment fit the crime is clearly open to controversy. Even humans have ethical standards against "cruel and unusual punishments". And then there the question of rehabilitation. Did God give up on that. Is this God powerless to rehabilitate his faulty creations? Shouldn't he have sent the serpent to a rehab center for medical and psychiatric treatment? Only a loser God who is totally powerless to deal with these kinds of problem would cruse someone to crawl on their belly and eat dust. What exactly would a creator hope to achieve by doing that? Even humans of mediocre intelligence know that kicking a dog is not a good means of training it. So right off the bat, at square one we are being asked to have faith that our creator has absolutely no power or wisdom to solve problems in a positive manner. All he knows how to do is kick his dog. I mean, these are quite serious questions if people are going to suggest to me that these ancient myths should be taken "seriously". I see no reason to place my faith in a God who solves his problems using methods equivalent to kicking his dog. And then he turns to Eve and curses her with greatly multiplied sorrow in conception and childbirth. Just kicking his pets yet again. A dog-kicking God basically. That's his divine example of how to solve problems. And you actually claim to see "good" in that? Where? You're still in denial over that fact that this created has clearly done very hateful things. He curses a serpent to crawl on his belly and eat dust for the rest of his days. That's a hateful thing to do someone whether they deserve it or not. Moreover, the question of whether or not the punishment fit the crime is clearly open to controversy. Even humans have ethical standards against "cruel and unusual punishments". Consequences to actions Abra. If the serpent would not have done what he did, he would never had been cursed to crawl on his belly. |
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Because God didn't necessarily "take" anything per say. right..he didn't "take" anything but a body part out of Adam The body part was not his. The body part belongs to God. is the Will located in the body? Your will comes from your spirit. Your spirit is only in this body temporarily. Your will does not come from your body unless you allow your will to be one with the flesh and it's fleshly desires. so is the "will" part of the body....yes or no Depends on who's will you're speaking of. People that lust after fleshly desires, their will is in the flesh. Those that seek after spiritual things, their will is in the spirit thirsting after God. whether they lust or not...is the will located in the body? Yes, lusting is one of the fleshly desires. If one has made their will one with the flesh, they will desire fleshly things, fornication and so forth. whether ones "Will" is to lust for flesh or to thirst for God ...is the will located in the body? I have answered the question already, but I will answer again just for you. If one's biggest desires is fleshly desires, their will is with the flesh. If one's biggest desires is with God, their will is with God. yes or no Cowboy.....is the will located in the body You're not listening funches. A "will" is not a physical object, it is a descriptive word. It describes what you want to be true, what you know to be true. Example - You have faith it's gonna rain You have faith you'll get this job You believe without a doubt it's gonna rain. You believe without a doubt you'll get this job. Cowboy...it doesn't matter what you believe "Will" is...I simply asked you is it located in the body...it's a simple yes or no answer If one has fleshly desires, then yes there will is in the flesh. so where is the will located in those that have no fleshy desires ...is it in the body Depends on where they put their will. In your statement it clearifys the will not being in the flesh. So the only other place I know of to put it, is in God. cool...so those that give their Will to God have no will in their body No will in the flesh, yes. so everyones "Will" is in the flesh and of the body No, not everyone's will is in the flesh. what matter of human will is not in the body I can't account for everybody. But my will is with the father. so you no longer have will in your body? Sometimes I do get weak and am obedient to the will of the flesh, yes. But for the general note, no my will is entirely with the father who art in heaven. if you have no will...then you're little more than a robot A servant to be more exact. |
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funchees, afraid to answer my question? Free will isn't "free", it is earned by one's desire to think for themselves. Let's see if you have enough free will to answer my question. I bet you don't... What did God suposedly take out of Adam? trying to wait until you stop flaming |
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Because God didn't necessarily "take" anything per say. right..he didn't "take" anything but a body part out of Adam The body part was not his. The body part belongs to God. is the Will located in the body? Your will comes from your spirit. Your spirit is only in this body temporarily. Your will does not come from your body unless you allow your will to be one with the flesh and it's fleshly desires. so is the "will" part of the body....yes or no Depends on who's will you're speaking of. People that lust after fleshly desires, their will is in the flesh. Those that seek after spiritual things, their will is in the spirit thirsting after God. whether they lust or not...is the will located in the body? Yes, lusting is one of the fleshly desires. If one has made their will one with the flesh, they will desire fleshly things, fornication and so forth. whether ones "Will" is to lust for flesh or to thirst for God ...is the will located in the body? I have answered the question already, but I will answer again just for you. If one's biggest desires is fleshly desires, their will is with the flesh. If one's biggest desires is with God, their will is with God. yes or no Cowboy.....is the will located in the body You're not listening funches. A "will" is not a physical object, it is a descriptive word. It describes what you want to be true, what you know to be true. Example - You have faith it's gonna rain You have faith you'll get this job You believe without a doubt it's gonna rain. You believe without a doubt you'll get this job. Cowboy...it doesn't matter what you believe "Will" is...I simply asked you is it located in the body...it's a simple yes or no answer If one has fleshly desires, then yes there will is in the flesh. so where is the will located in those that have no fleshy desires ...is it in the body Depends on where they put their will. In your statement it clearifys the will not being in the flesh. So the only other place I know of to put it, is in God. cool...so those that give their Will to God have no will in their body No will in the flesh, yes. so everyones "Will" is in the flesh and of the body No, not everyone's will is in the flesh. what matter of human will is not in the body I can't account for everybody. But my will is with the father. so you no longer have will in your body? Sometimes I do get weak and am obedient to the will of the flesh, yes. But for the general note, no my will is entirely with the father who art in heaven. if you have no will...then you're little more than a robot A servant to be more exact. a sevant has Will...a robot has none...you're a robot |
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Cowboy wrote: Sometimes I do get weak and am obedient to the will of the flesh, yes. But for the general note, no my will is entirely with the father who art in heaven. If you have asked Jesus the Almighty Christ, to come into your life and you have accepted him as your LORD and SAVIOR. Then did he not come into your life? If so, then how could you still be weak? Is the POWER of Jesus that weak? Is your obedience to him as your LORD flawed? Do you sometimes decide to refuse to obey even after you have accepted him as your LORD? You better go talk to MorningSong Cowboy. If you don't have the strength to fight the temptations of Satan, then how can you claim to have Jesus in your heart? Jesus casts out demons. He doesn't co-reside with them. If you have this Jesus in your heart there can be no room for Satan and sins of the flesh. That flies in the face of the POWER that Jesus is supposed to have. You better go talk to MorningSong about this Cowboy. |
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Peter Pan wrote: I love the false dilema. One could also be saved from themselves... I see the good, you see the bad.... It's not about good or bad. It's about whether or not a creator is a threat to his creation. You're still in denial over that fact that this created has clearly done very hateful things. He curses a serpent to crawl on his belly and eat dust for the rest of his days. That's a hateful thing to do someone whether they deserve it or not. Moreover, the question of whether or not the punishment fit the crime is clearly open to controversy. Even humans have ethical standards against "cruel and unusual punishments". And then there the question of rehabilitation. Did God give up on that. Is this God powerless to rehabilitate his faulty creations? Shouldn't he have sent the serpent to a rehab center for medical and psychiatric treatment? Only a loser God who is totally powerless to deal with these kinds of problem would cruse someone to crawl on their belly and eat dust. What exactly would a creator hope to achieve by doing that? Even humans of mediocre intelligence know that kicking a dog is not a good means of training it. So right off the bat, at square one we are being asked to have faith that our creator has absolutely no power or wisdom to solve problems in a positive manner. All he knows how to do is kick his dog. I mean, these are quite serious questions if people are going to suggest to me that these ancient myths should be taken "seriously". I see no reason to place my faith in a God who solves his problems using methods equivalent to kicking his dog. And then he turns to Eve and curses her with greatly multiplied sorrow in conception and childbirth. Just kicking his pets yet again. A dog-kicking God basically. That's his divine example of how to solve problems. And you actually claim to see "good" in that? Where? If it's not about good or bad, then why give "bad" and "hateful" examples. You say that I'm in denial because you are... You know I'm right and some people need to be saved from themselves. You also know I'm right about the falsehoods you spread about the Bible. You have yet to defend and support the notion of "eternal punishment in hell". So, according to you, since I see the good morals taught by the Bible, then I must be highly moral... |
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Cowboy wrote: You're still in denial over that fact that this created has clearly done very hateful things. He curses a serpent to crawl on his belly and eat dust for the rest of his days. That's a hateful thing to do someone whether they deserve it or not. Moreover, the question of whether or not the punishment fit the crime is clearly open to controversy. Even humans have ethical standards against "cruel and unusual punishments". Consequences to actions Abra. If the serpent would not have done what he did, he would never had been cursed to crawl on his belly. You could justify kicking your dog with that feeble excuse. Sorry, Cowboy, but "consequences to actions" does not excuse a God who solves his problems using utterly futile methods of punishments that could never possibly result in any positive outcome. You can't excuse a demonic hateful God by merely saying, "consequences to actions". That's no excuse for evil negative and violent behavior that could never possibly lead to anything positive or even remotely have a positive outcome. You could beat your child to death and claim, 'Hey, it was just consequences to their actions!" Bull Chit! No, it would just be parental abuse plain and simple. |
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Cowboy wrote: Sometimes I do get weak and am obedient to the will of the flesh, yes. But for the general note, no my will is entirely with the father who art in heaven. If you have asked Jesus the Almighty Christ, to come into your life and you have accepted him as your LORD and SAVIOR. Then did he not come into your life? If so, then how could you still be weak? Is the POWER of Jesus that weak? Is your obedience to him as your LORD flawed? Do you sometimes decide to refuse to obey even after you have accepted him as your LORD? You better go talk to MorningSong Cowboy. If you don't have the strength to fight the temptations of Satan, then how can you claim to have Jesus in your heart? Jesus casts out demons. He doesn't co-reside with them. If you have this Jesus in your heart there can be no room for Satan and sins of the flesh. That flies in the face of the POWER that Jesus is supposed to have. You better go talk to MorningSong about this Cowboy. You better go talk to MorningSong about this Cowboy. No thank you, she is no my saviour. I'm sure she has her weak times in life as well. If so, then how could you still be weak? Is the POWER of Jesus that weak? Has nothing to do with Jesus being weak or not. I'm still the one that decides actions and takes them. Unfortunately I don't listen to Jesus AALL the time. It's rare, but I'm man enough to say it happens. |
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funchees, afraid to answer my question? Free will isn't "free", it is earned by one's desire to think for themselves. Let's see if you have enough free will to answer my question. I bet you don't... What did God suposedly take out of Adam? trying to wait until you stop flaming You bring up penises and I'm the one flaming? LOL Do you know what God supossedly took out of Adam? A simple yes or no answer will do, can you handle that? |
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