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So Morningsong, the only way to be saved is to accept "Jesus"? John 14:6 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. What is meant by "every knee will bow, every tounge will confess.."? Wouldn't that imply that everyone gets saved then? Not necessarily. James 2:19 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. Coyboy, John 14:6 just supports what I said. If every knee will bow etc, then doesn't that mean that we will all meet "Jesus" on judgement day? No conflict there, just a different time-table of when... |
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So Morningsong, the only way to be saved is to accept "Jesus"? John 14:6 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. What is meant by "every knee will bow, every tounge will confess.."? Wouldn't that imply that everyone gets saved then? Not necessarily. James 2:19 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. Coyboy, John 14:6 just supports what I said. If every knee will bow etc, then doesn't that mean that we will all meet "Jesus" on judgement day? No conflict there, just a different time-table of when... Yes, and the reason I posted the verse of James was, yes every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is lord. But that does not mean everyone will be saved from death, cause even the Devils believe in Jesus and we all know their fate in the end. |
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"your lord thy God".... This is what I mean about your version of Jesus just being "our god" only ,and not GOD ALMIGHTY. Exactly! BRAVO MorningSong!  Now there's a women who KNOWS Jesus!  Jesus specifically said "Your lord thy God". He did not say your lord thy God almighty. And you continue with your imaginary Jesus marionette doll on your lap, twisting his tongue to support Cowboyianity. You don't FOLLOW Jesus, Cowboy, you act like you OWN HIM! |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Jesus NEVER made himself equal with the father. Cowboy, I never said Jesus made himself equal with the Father... I said Jesus IS... EQUALLY... AS... MUCH... GOD ... AS ...THE FATHER... IS... GOD!!! JESU IS GOD ALMIGHTY...JUST AS MUCH AS THE FATHER IS GOD ALMIGHTY!!!! Now..I have shared what God has been putting on my heart all day for you Cowboy.... my heart has been heavy about this matter all day.... but again... what YOU do with it, is entirely up to you now. Not gonna argue ...just leaving this with you.....you do as you wish now.  |
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"your lord thy God".... This is what I mean about your version of Jesus just being "our god" only ,and not GOD ALMIGHTY. Exactly! BRAVO MorningSong! Now there's a women who KNOWS Jesus! Jesus specifically said "Your lord thy God". He did not say your lord thy God almighty. And you continue with your imaginary Jesus marionette doll on your lap, twisting his tongue to support Cowboyianity. You don't FOLLOW Jesus, Cowboy, you act like you OWN HIM! No, I own nothing. Just relay what he has said. |
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Jesus NEVER made himself equal with the father. Cowboy, I never said Jesus made himself equal with the father... I said Jesus IS... EQUALLY... AS... MUCH... GOD ... AS ...THE FATHER... IS... GOD!!! JESU IS GOD ALMIGHTY...JUST AS MUCH AS THE FATHER IS GOD ALMIGHTY!!!! Now..I have shared what God has been putting on my heart all day for you Cowboy.... my heart has been heavy about this matter all day.... but again... what YOU do with it, is entirely up to you now. Not gonna argue ...just leaving this with you.....you do as you wish now. For one, I do wish to make something clear MorningSong. We're not "arguing", or at least I'm not. Just sharing and discussing what I know and backed by scriptural evidence. |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Fri 12/02/11 03:23 PM
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Jesus NEVER made himself equal with the father. Cowboy, I never said Jesus made himself equal with the father... I said Jesus IS... EQUALLY... AS... MUCH... GOD ... AS ...THE FATHER... IS... GOD!!! JESU IS GOD ALMIGHTY...JUST AS MUCH AS THE FATHER IS GOD ALMIGHTY!!!! Now..I have shared what God has been putting on my heart all day for you Cowboy.... my heart has been heavy about this matter all day.... but again... what YOU do with it, is entirely up to you now. Not gonna argue ...just leaving this with you.....you do as you wish now. For one, I do wish to make something clear MorningSong. We're not "arguing", or at least I'm not. Just sharing and discussing what I know and backed by scriptural evidence. Jesus and the father can not possibly be one entity. For one Jesus said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." And John 14:6 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. And the biggest one of'em all. John 14:28 28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. How can the father be greater then he if they were one entity? How could Jesus "go" to the father if they are one entity? Yes they are one, Jesus does the will of the father. Jesus acts according to what the father wishes. They are one. But they are not one entity, they are not one God in that sense. |
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"your lord thy God".... This is what I mean about your version of Jesus just being "our god" only ,and not GOD ALMIGHTY. Exactly! BRAVO MorningSong! Now there's a women who KNOWS Jesus! Jesus specifically said "Your lord thy God". He did not say your lord thy God almighty. And you continue with your imaginary Jesus marionette doll on your lap, twisting his tongue to support Cowboyianity. You don't FOLLOW Jesus, Cowboy, you act like you OWN HIM! No, I own nothing. Just relay what he has said. You're lying to yourself Cowboy. You're aren't just 'relaying" what he has said. What you do is argue to the hilt with other people who have also read these scriptures that your interpretations are the VOICE OF JESUS and everyone else is WRONG! In this way, you are taking OWNERSHIP of Jesus. You are basically proclaiming that you OWN his tongue! And you do this by shoving your interpretations in the face of everyone else and vehemently arguing against any other possible interpretations. In this way you are proclaiming OWNERSHIP of Jesus. You are proclaiming that Cowboyianty is the only TRUE "Christianity". And this is precisely the DANGER of this religion. It is far too easy for people to fall into this kind of dogmatic trap. |
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"your lord thy God".... This is what I mean about your version of Jesus just being "our god" only ,and not GOD ALMIGHTY. Exactly! BRAVO MorningSong! Now there's a women who KNOWS Jesus! Jesus specifically said "Your lord thy God". He did not say your lord thy God almighty. And you continue with your imaginary Jesus marionette doll on your lap, twisting his tongue to support Cowboyianity. You don't FOLLOW Jesus, Cowboy, you act like you OWN HIM! No, I own nothing. Just relay what he has said. You're lying to yourself Cowboy. You're aren't just 'relaying" what he has said. What you do is argue to the hilt with other people who have also read these scriptures that your interpretations are the VOICE OF JESUS and everyone else is WRONG! In this way, you are taking OWNERSHIP of Jesus. You are basically proclaiming that you OWN his tongue! And you do this by shoving your interpretations in the face of everyone else and vehemently arguing against any other possible interpretations. In this way you are proclaiming OWNERSHIP of Jesus. You are proclaiming that Cowboyianty is the only TRUE "Christianity". And this is precisely the DANGER of this religion. It is far too easy for people to fall into this kind of dogmatic trap. You're aren't just 'relaying" what he has said. What you do is argue to the hilt with other people who have also read these scriptures that your interpretations are the VOICE OF JESUS and everyone else is WRONG! No not true. When someone(s) shows with scriptural evidence I am wrong, I realise my error and correct myself. You are proclaiming that Cowboyianty is the only TRUE "Christianity". Only you proclaim anything about "Cowboyianty" |
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Cowboy wrote: How can the father be greater then he if they were one entity? How could Jesus "go" to the father if they are one entity? Yes they are one, Jesus does the will of the father. Jesus acts according to what the father wishes. They are one. But they are not one entity, they are not one God in that sense. You've created a polytheistic Christianity all on your own. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Fri 12/02/11 03:39 PM
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Cowboy wrote:
Jesus specifically said "Your lord thy God". He did not say your lord thy God almighty Jesus is NOT just"our god", Cowboy. JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY, just AS much AS the Father is God Almighty. I am gonna pray God reveal this Truth to you...I see you still believe Jesus is just "our god" .....whom you still believe to be a totally separate "god" from GOD ALMIGHTY... and that is why my heart was so troubled all day for you. JESUS is NOT some separate other " god" from GOD ALMIGHTY !!! Again..and it is so important that you understand this Truth,Cowboy : JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY... just AS much and EQUALLY AS MUCH God ... as the Father is God Almighty!!! Going offline..and will be praying that this truth will be revealed to you now, Cowboy....cause I care...and pray you will come to know the Real Truth about WHO JESUS REALLY IS NOW. |
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"your lord thy God".... This is what I mean about your version of Jesus just being "our god" only ,and not GOD ALMIGHTY. Exactly! BRAVO MorningSong! Now there's a women who KNOWS Jesus! Jesus specifically said "Your lord thy God". He did not say your lord thy God almighty. And you continue with your imaginary Jesus marionette doll on your lap, twisting his tongue to support Cowboyianity. You don't FOLLOW Jesus, Cowboy, you act like you OWN HIM! No, I own nothing. Just relay what he has said. You're lying to yourself Cowboy. You're aren't just 'relaying" what he has said. What you do is argue to the hilt with other people who have also read these scriptures that your interpretations are the VOICE OF JESUS and everyone else is WRONG! In this way, you are taking OWNERSHIP of Jesus. You are basically proclaiming that you OWN his tongue! And you do this by shoving your interpretations in the face of everyone else and vehemently arguing against any other possible interpretations. In this way you are proclaiming OWNERSHIP of Jesus. You are proclaiming that Cowboyianty is the only TRUE "Christianity". And this is precisely the DANGER of this religion. It is far too easy for people to fall into this kind of dogmatic trap. Says the pot to the kettle... LOL, You even use the Pope to support your interpretations.... |
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Cowboy wrote: No not true. When someone(s) shows with scriptural evidence I am wrong, I realise my error and correct myself. Untrue. I've shown you tons of times where you were wrong, and I've also shown you tons of times where there are other scriptures that even contradict the scriptures you point to. In every case you've been in flat out denial of what has been shown to you and have very seldom realized the error of your ways. In fact, here's a contradiction for you right now: You have just claims that Jesus and the Father are not one. John.10:30 I and my Father are one. There you go. They are one in the same. |
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Cowboy wrote: No not true. When someone(s) shows with scriptural evidence I am wrong, I realise my error and correct myself. Untrue. I've shown you tons of times where you were wrong, and I've also shown you tons of times where there are other scriptures that even contradict the scriptures you point to. In every case you've been in flat out denial of what has been shown to you and have very seldom realized the error of your ways. In fact, here's a contradiction for you right now: You have just claims that Jesus and the Father are not one. John.10:30 I and my Father are one. There you go. They are one in the same. Says the pot to the kettle, again........ |
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Peterpan...Abra doesn't claim to be a christian...so
he is therefore, not misrepresenting christianity on here..just sharing his views..... that is an entiely different situation from someone CLAIMING to be a christian, yet totally misepresenting Christianity on here...
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Peter Pan wrote: Says the pot to the kettle... LOL, You even use the Pope to support your interpretations.... This is a gross misunderstanding on your part. I have no "interpretations" for those fables. It's my stance that none are required because they are clearly as false as Greek Mythology. However, in a religion where the Pope of the Catholic Church is the overseer of the "Body of Christ" which is the Catholic Church, I feel that these interpretations should be granted more authority than the sniveling rebellious objections of a bunch of protesting Protestants.  I'm I'm going to become a "Protestant" and protest against these interpretations, then I'll go all the way to renouncing the Old Testament altogether as nothing more than fictitious fables. Then I see no reason to view Jesus as anything other than a mortal albeit spiritual man. Most likely a Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva. And then I dismiss the New Testament as being obvious outrageous superstitious rumors about this man named Jesus. It works for me. 
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Cowboy wrote: No not true. When someone(s) shows with scriptural evidence I am wrong, I realise my error and correct myself. Untrue. I've shown you tons of times where you were wrong, and I've also shown you tons of times where there are other scriptures that even contradict the scriptures you point to. In every case you've been in flat out denial of what has been shown to you and have very seldom realized the error of your ways. In fact, here's a contradiction for you right now: You have just claims that Jesus and the Father are not one. John.10:30 I and my Father are one. There you go. They are one in the same. Says the pot to the kettle, again..... No, I'm pointing out a blatant contradiction in these fables. Not a personal interpretation.  A personal interpretation will be required however, for Cowboy to worm his way out of it though. But there's nothing new there. That's been his strategy forever. |
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Peterpan...Abra doesn't claim to be a christian...so he is therefore, not misrepresenting christianity on here..just sharing his views..... that is an entiely different situation from someone CLAIMING to be a christian, yet totally misepresenting Christianity on here... WOW! The depth of your understanding and wisdom is phenomenal MorningSong. You truly understand! I wish more people could. |
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Cowboy wrote: No not true. When someone(s) shows with scriptural evidence I am wrong, I realise my error and correct myself. Untrue. I've shown you tons of times where you were wrong, and I've also shown you tons of times where there are other scriptures that even contradict the scriptures you point to. In every case you've been in flat out denial of what has been shown to you and have very seldom realized the error of your ways. In fact, here's a contradiction for you right now: You have just claims that Jesus and the Father are not one. John.10:30 I and my Father are one. There you go. They are one in the same. Says the pot to the kettle, again..... No, I'm pointing out a blatant contradiction in these fables. Not a personal interpretation. A personal interpretation will be required however, for Cowboy to worm his way out of it though. But there's nothing new there. That's been his strategy forever. Flat out denial..... So, care to deny the root word translated to "eternal" some more? Or how about your denial of "hell" being fabricated? What about the root word translated to "virgin"? Or care to deny to root word translated to "jealous"? I've shown you, time and time again your errors... |
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Jesus NEVER made himself equal with the father. Cowboy, I never said Jesus made himself equal with the father... I said Jesus IS... EQUALLY... AS... MUCH... GOD ... AS ...THE FATHER... IS... GOD!!! JESU IS GOD ALMIGHTY...JUST AS MUCH AS THE FATHER IS GOD ALMIGHTY!!!! Now..I have shared what God has been putting on my heart all day for you Cowboy.... my heart has been heavy about this matter all day.... but again... what YOU do with it, is entirely up to you now. Not gonna argue ...just leaving this with you.....you do as you wish now. For one, I do wish to make something clear MorningSong. We're not "arguing", or at least I'm not. Just sharing and discussing what I know and backed by scriptural evidence. Jesus and the father can not possibly be one entity. For one Jesus said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." And John 14:6 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. And the biggest one of'em all. John 14:28 28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. How can the father be greater then he if they were one entity? How could Jesus "go" to the father if they are one entity? Yes they are one, Jesus does the will of the father. Jesus acts according to what the father wishes. They are one. But they are not one entity, they are not one God in that sense. I have to agree with Cowboy on this one ...he gave some good examples that are hard to dispute which displays that Jesus and God exist as separate entities.. other examples in the bible is that Jesus prayed to the Father but the Father did not pray to Jesus ...and the best example of all..Jesus didn't know the time of Judgement day but the father does ... |
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