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Topic: GOTTA LOVE EM!!!! yo Davinci!!
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Fri 07/20/07 12:42 AM
LOS ANGELES TIMES
N.H. couple evade death and taxes
The Browns have been holed up, refusing to pay the IRS or go to prison. It's a battle that might end in bloodshed.
By Erika Hayasaki, Times Staff Writer
9:30 PM PDT, July 19, 2007



She sits on the lookout in a lawn chair on their front porch, her forehead glossy with sweat, Bible next to her left foot, wind chimes clinking at her back. Her husband of 24 years is by her side, German shepherd at his knee, handgun tucked beneath the belt on his jeans.

High in these humid hills, Ed and Elaine Brown have been holed up in their home for six months, refusing to serve a five-year prison sentence for tax evasion. They all but dared law officials to come and get them. This, they say, is a fight they're ready to die for.

"Show me the law!" says Ed, a trim 64-year-old with a silver mustache, whose forehead crinkles when he gets heated. The Browns stopped paying income taxes in 1996. They say the Constitution and Supreme Court decisions support their claims that ordinary labor cannot be taxed. But a judge ruled against them in January, convicting the Browns of conspiring to evade paying taxes on $1.9 million in income from Elaine's dentistry practice.

Now, the Browns say they're in a battle for freedom, and it just might end in bloodshed right here, in a towering turreted house with 8-inch-thick concrete walls and an American flag fluttering over the double-car garage. They have garnered national support, with blogs devoted to news about the standoff and supporters regularly showing up on the couple's doorstep with groceries.

Government and law officials have cut off power, Internet, house phone, cellphone, television, and mail service to the couple's 110-acre compound. But their house is equipped with solar panels, a watchtower, a satellite dish and a stockpile of food.

"We are self-sustained like a ship," Ed says. "We don't need power from the shore to run the ship."

FBI agents are trying to avoid a deadly shootout reminiscent of Waco, Texas, or Ruby Ridge, Idaho. They have tried negotiating, waiting, begging.

"We are proceeding carefully to make sure no one gets hurt," says U.S. Marshal Stephen Monier, the lead officer handling the siege. "We are aware that there are guns in there."

Monier says the couple broke the law and should turn themselves in peacefully. "They have been tried and convicted and sentenced."

But the Browns aren't budging.

"You remember that little gentleman in China, Tiananmen Square?" Ed says, peering through his sunglasses. "He was the same as we are. You can scare me, you can kill me, but you can't intimidate me."

"We're fighting for you, your country," adds Elaine, 66, a calm woman with short, wavy dark hair. "This isn't just taxes."

"There's no more America," Ed says. "It's already gone."

"I'll die fighting, rather than live in slavery," Elaine says. "I'll tell you that."



The mountain air outside the Browns' home is hot and thick with flies. On the shaded front porch overlooking a small duck pond, a visitor in a straw hat — who drove his pickup truck for two days from Texas to meet the Browns — eats grapes out of a paper bag and flips through an issue of Shotgun News magazine. He introduces himself as Doug. His last name is Tibbetts, he says, pronounced "like that guy who dropped the bomb on Hiroshima."

Another guest, who refuses to give his name and makes it a point to tell everyone he is armed, drove here from Massachusetts. He talks about illegal immigration and government corruption in a slow deep drip of a voice that seems to irritate Ed, who frequently cuts him off.

The government, Ed says, is at a point of "communism in its purist form."

Elaine nods.


for the rest of this story..

.http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-taxevaders20jul20,0,778390.story?coll=la-tot-topstories&track=ntothtml


DAVINCI!!!!!


i was dancin when i read this!!!! we can support them!!! this is a precedent!! to be made!!!


oh oh oh !!!! i am so excited for them!!! hope they make it!!!!!!!!

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Fri 07/20/07 01:49 AM
it is gone

which way to this compound

pulled the story or need a subscription

or somthin

copy in pasted the address and did not come up

but i think we should all go stand in front of the house

if yer going let me know

why am i surprised the story got yanked

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Fri 07/20/07 01:50 AM
it's the headlines of the L.A.Times!!!!


it's gotta be there!noway

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Fri 07/20/07 01:51 AM
http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-taxevaders20jul20,0,778390.story?coll=la-tot-topstories&track=ntothtml

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Fri 07/20/07 01:52 AM
/www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-taxevaders20jul20,0,4692524.story?coll=la-home-center


goggled the top 2 lines of the original post

and it came up

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Fri 07/20/07 02:20 AM

1040 Checkmate?

DOJ Dismisses Felony Tax Prosecution
-- With Prejudice -- After PRA Defense Raised

Evidence OMB Complicit In Income Tax Fraud

DOJ & IRS Petitioned To Explain


On May 12, 2006 in Peoria, Illinois, the attorney for the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) begged the court to dismiss all charges against IRS victim Robert Lawrence in federal District Court.

The motion for dismissal came on the heels of a surprise tactic by Lawrence’s defense attorney Oscar Stilley.

The tactic threatened exposure of IRS’s on-going efforts to defraud the public. The move put DOJ attorneys in a state of panic that left them with only one alternative: beg for dismissal, with prejudice.

Stilley’s tactic paid off. Sixty days earlier, the DOJ had indicted Lawrence on three counts of willful failure to file a 1040 form, and three felony counts of income tax evasion. The federal Judge dismissed all charges with prejudice, meaning the DOJ cannot charge Lawrence with those crimes again.

The trial was to have started on Monday morning, May 15th.

On Wednesday, May 10, Stilley mailed a set of documents to the DOJ in response to DOJ’s discovery demands. The documents revealed to DOJ for the first time that Lawrence was basing his entire defense on an act of Congress, 44 U.S.C. 3500 – 3520, also known as the "Paperwork Reduction Act" (PRA).

In Section 3512 of the Act, titled "Public Protection," it says that no person shall be subject to any penalty for failing to comply with an agency’s collection of information request (such as a 1040 form), if the request does not display a valid control number assigned by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) in accordance with the requirements of the Act, or if the agency fails to inform the person who is to respond to the collection of information that he is not required to respond to the collection of information request unless it displays a valid control number.

http://www.givemeliberty.org/RTP2/UPDATES/Update2006-06-09.htm

for the rest of the story

interesting

also have a fight saying the 16th amendment was not proberly ratified shows the ratification took 1302 days


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Fri 07/20/07 08:36 AM
Haha...thanks Alex...I have been following the Brown story on the Republican Broadcasting Network...(when you listen to these people it is less about being republican..but more about starting a revolution) ....the worry about the Browns is that it will go "Ruby Ridge" at some point....but people are more aware now...

and then we have this case too:

Local attorney acquitted on federal income tax charges
Cryer stopped filing income taxes more than 10 years ago
July 13, 2007

By Loresha Wilson
ljwilson@gannett.com

A Shreveport attorney who has challenged the government for years on the legality of filing federal income taxes has been acquitted on charges he failed to file returns.

A federal jury unanimously found Tommy Cryer not guilty this week on two misdemeanor counts of failure to file.

And according to Cryer, the prosecution dismissed two felony charges of tax evasion prior to trial.

Attempts by The Times on Thursday to reach U.S. Attorney Donald Washington or Bill Flanagan, first assistant U.S. attorney, were not successful. Calls made to the two were not immediately returned.

"The court could not find a law that makes me liable or makes my revenues taxable," Cryer said. "The Supreme Court has ruled that the government cannot impose an income tax on anything but the profits and gains. When you work for someone you give your service and labor in exchange for money, so everything you make is not profit or gain. You put something into it."

Cryer was indicted last year on two counts of tax evasion. The indictment alleged he evaded payment of $73,000 in income tax to the Internal Revenue Service during 2000 and 2001.

Cryer created a trust listing himself as the trustee, and received payments of dividends, interest and stock income to that trust, according to the indictment. He also was accused of concealing his receipt of the sources of income from the IRS by failing to file a tax return on behalf of that trust.

"I determined that my personal earnings were not 100 percent profits, some were income," Cryer said. "I refuse to file, I refuse to pay unless they can show me I have a lawful reason to pay."

"What I earned was my own personal labor. I am giving something in exchange. I'm giving my property and I don't belong to anyone else."

Cryer says he stopped filing returns more than 10 years ago after he investigated claims that income tax was a sham. He contends the law doesn't actually tax personal earning.

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the point is....when confronted and asked to provide the written law...the government cannot....juries are starting to realize the scam of income tax......and are acquitting...I
think it is exciting...and something we should pay attention to for sure...haha
We are starting to look behind the curtain....
talkin revolution...


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Fri 07/20/07 09:30 AM
Well as much as I'd like to share in your joy...this type of thing always happens every few years with the same ending. Either they will be waited out and dragged to prison...or killed in a pool of blood because they choose to arm themselves. Unfortunately there are not enough people to stand up...yes there might be some outcry..but it will die down....and the beat will go on...do I agree...no...but that is the reality...sorry to burst your bubbledrinker drinker

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Fri 07/20/07 10:08 AM
If nobody pays taxes, who is going to fund all the entitlement programs that have been enacted by our congress over the years. Think of no Welfare, no Medicare, no Medicade no ADC, no road repair which is usually 95% federally funded. That will lay the groundwork for the Socialist Dictatorship that the liberals so desire. (Conspiracy Theroy laugh ) Then when the state owns everyting they can collect the profits from the second or third rate goods that are produced by malcontent workers who have no reason to excel and they can dole out those meger profits to all of us on an equal basis so we can stand in line for 6 hours to buy shoes that are sold out by the time we get into the store. my advice is Don't meddle in the affairs of dragons for ye be crunchy and taste good with ketsup.

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Fri 07/20/07 10:13 AM
it is your bubble that has burst

you are allready a slave to the govt

you work for them and they throw you their scraps

they charge you income tax

they charge you social security tax

then most states charge you sales tax

all states charge you road tax

they charge telephone tax

they charge you satalite and cable tv tax

which in turn means they charge you internet tax

need i go on

not only are you paying to work

you are paying to spend what money you have left

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Fri 07/20/07 11:05 AM
the government has always had their hand in everyones pocket. these are the sorts of things that can lead to something but i don't honestly believe that the majority of americans anymore have a revolution in them. it's sad but i think alot of people just accept whatever the government hands out and goes about their business.

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Fri 07/20/07 11:10 AM
garden you must of finished right as i started

drinker drinker

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Fri 07/20/07 12:19 PM
adju4...My bubble busted? Alas..everything you say is true about taxes here and fees there...yes ...I am a slave to the system...but one should not over look the fact that I am free to leave and live somewhere else without all those things you talk of...but will I have the quality of life and the luxuries I earn at my disposal...I think not. I'm am sure there are millions of people around the world that would gladly have that same right and pay whatever it takes. I whole-heartedly agree that there is many things we can change for the better...but it is still the best in the world today or we wouldn't have such a terrible immigration problem:smile:

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Fri 07/20/07 12:23 PM
i'm thinkin that if they stay holed up in their compound too much longer ol Ed is gonna shoot the man with no name.

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Fri 07/20/07 12:30 PM
search even if you leave you must still pay

unless you revolk you citizenship


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Fri 07/20/07 12:32 PM
also one should not overlook the fact

even tho this may be the best place to live

if it is illegal it is illegal

does not matter that it may be best or not

rules are rules and to rules to change the rules must be followed

if they are not then that rule is illegal

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Fri 07/20/07 12:35 PM
previous post

i'm thinkin that if they stay holed up in their compound too much longer ol Ed is gonna shoot the man with no name.

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that is horse with no name

america

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but it may end up that he can say


i shot the sheriff


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Fri 07/20/07 02:21 PM
this is so not right.
These people should pay their taxes
if not we are losing a lot of money which can benefit my homeboys
mean mean people!!!!!!!!

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Fri 07/20/07 02:29 PM
I wish the Browns all the best but i dont understand why,if otheers have been aquitted on the same charges,they are still being pursued?

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Fri 07/20/07 03:07 PM
If Willie Nelson couldn't get out of paying his taxes with all the high powered lawyers he was able to hire with his money, there must be some legality to the tax law. If income taxes were illegal to collect do you not think that the rich would have established that fact and quit paying taxes before now? Every time someone reinterperts the meaning of "is" some wacko takes the new definition and decides it precludes him or her from paying taxes.

Once again would someone please answer my question, "If the government does not collect taxes how the hell are all of these entitlement social programs going to be funded?" You cannot have your cake and eat it too!

It seems that a certain faction in this country thinks that all they need is a "cause" they need no plan, no course of action, no way means of accomplishing their goals. They just run around chanting slogans and carrying banners while feeding on their and other's paranoia and think that they are driving socal change.

The basic law that drives any economy is the law of supply and demand. If you demand free socail programs, someone has to supply the cash. If everyone did as they asked and quit paying their taxes and all government give away programs were ended today these same people would be the ones marching in the streets tomorrow demanding that the "government" take care of the starving and destitute people who were effected by the lack of give away programs.

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