Exactly!.....and who wrote the bible, old and new, each book, each scripture, every word, how many penned it, why, where did they get their info, what was the purpose....was it science, is it provable, tell me, tell me please...

Sounds like a quote from Jesus.

John 14:12
12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Nobody wrote the "bible" in exacts. The bible is a collection of epistles or diaries. John wrote the book of John, Matthew wrote the book of Matthew, ect. And they got their info cause it happened to them eg., a "diary" or "journal". They wrote it so we could have the information at a later date. If they would not have wrote it down, that knowledge would have been lost when they passed away on Earth.

What is "provable"? When something is proven that doesn't make it 100% right or correct. Only means that most to all have accepted it as true. The only one that can prove anything to you is yourself. Heck one can not even prove that the sun comes up in the east and sets in the west unless you wish to believe it.

I only saying that if I place your posts into the realm of a Buddhist Christian....they actually falls into line with that belief and make sense ...

damn....now we might not have anything else to debate about

Will I see you in heaven someday?....Speaking of which, who created hell?....If God just made the heavens, the earth, the seas and all that is in them...is satan gods brother or sister?..Is hell a product of evolution....why hell anyway? It seems rather harsh...and purgatory, talk about something really awful....

lol, you can put my beliefs in any category you wish.

You might, I know not if I or any other particular person will go to Heaven or not. We will not know until judgement day and it is not my place to judge anyone. I would love to see you there though if I go :)

Hell is a holding place for Satan. Satan is a fallen Angel. Satan was actually God's most beautiful and strongest angel. He started to have an ego though, and thought himself to be greater then God. So he was placed in hell as a temporary holding place, it is temporary because Satan, his angels, death, and hell will be thrown into the lake of fire come judgement time.

2 Peter 2:4
4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment

Revelation 20:14
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death


Ezekiel 28
11Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

12Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Isaiah 14:12
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

You might, I know not if I or any other particular person will go to Heaven or not. We will not know until judgement day and it is not my place to judge anyone. I would love to see you there though if I go :)

Hell is a holding place for Satan. Satan is a fallen Angel. Satan was actually God's most beautiful and strongest angel. He started to have an ego though, and thought himself to be greater then God. So he was placed in hell as a temporary holding place, it is temporary because Satan, his angels, death, and hell will be thrown into the lake of fire come judgement time.

2 Peter 2:4
4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment

Revelation 20:14
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death


Ezekiel 28
11Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

12Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.


Thank you Cowboy...going to get ready for bed now Have a good evening!!......

Thank you Cowboy...going to get ready for bed now Have a good evening!!......




Good night and sweet dreams Leigh :)

This is the oddest discussion on evolution I have ever encountered. The only conclusion I can draw is: Evolution=Science, Intelligent Design= Thinly disguised attempt at enforcing Xian Theocracy. Unless I missed something

In the long run, science and God can go hand in hand. Evolution is purely a theory, but I'm not one who totally denies it's possibility. Our bodies change with the environment we're in. We're exposed to more sunlight, our skin darkens and drys a bit. More sun we're exposed to darker it will get to protect us from the sun and the dryer it gets unless something is added to it eg., lotion, body wash, ect. We very well might have been quite primate appearing in the earlier days because of this. No cloths would mean more body hair, 1. The cloths wouldn't rub off the hairs, 2 our bodies would adapt to the environment we were in so if it was a colder environment we would more then likely have more body hair.

Because of the lifestyle, it is more likely that we would break bones more often then as of now. Therefore our bone structure may not have been in the exact same fashion it is now eg., thickness and all around structure.

Our appearance changes over time again because of the different environments. We are made in God's image, yes. But that does not have to pertain to physical image. I'll give the reason why.

Genesis 1:26
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

The above verse states that we are made in the image of God. Now again, this could not be referring to physical image because of the next verse.

1 Corinthians 15:50
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

The flesh can not inherit the kingdom of God, so how could this image be the same of God whom is in Heaven? It can't be, therefore in conclusion the image can not be referring to a physical image. Now, it may be referring to our physical shape as well, but not the flesh in itself.

Now this specific topic in the area of our appearance is more or less speculation. The scriptures don't give real big detail on our appearance in those days, therefore there is no absolute way of knowing exactly the appearance of Adam and Eve and the descendants therefore after.

the faithful due to their beliefs must deny "the theory" of evolution even through it gives the simplest explantion as to why their God has hands and legs

this is why I said that evolution will force the subconsciousness to evolve while religious/spirituality beliefs will force the consciousness to stagnate because they are taboo from conceiving any concept that extent beyond their God/higher power ...

but the same takes place with the Big Bang Theory when believers refuse to conceive any concepts that extent beyond the Bang

but science is simply a method used to place everything into testable explantions or reduce it to a mathematical equation which is why if religion/spirituality were to be place into a scientific categoy it would fit snuggly into the category of psychological disorders... but is it a disorder or a factor of evolution

to make a claim that something is true when there is no proof that it is true while claiming that no proof is proof is in fact delusional in itself but why do people do this ....there has to be a logical explantion that extent beyond Santa claus and God
..perhaps it's time to explore this

I believe every word written here Funches....Testable explanations...

But, it is to Cowboy I want to speak...

As a child, I spent 7 years studying the bible, attending church, and earning perfect attendance pins...Pins I was very proud of ...What I remember most about this time is the fear...I was always walking on egg shells, afraid I would mess up and pizz off God...I remember being too timid to step outside my church family and experience another way of life...I remember it as an unhappy time...what finally brought it to an end for me was when it was discovered my Minister, who I looked up to, was having an incestious relationship with his daughter who just happened to be the same age as me...I was devastated .....Once I made the break, my life began to change, I began to study other things, all kinds of things...I began to broaden my horizons, I "got" happy while managing to walk a pretty straight path....I am not saying formal religion is wrong, it is just wrong for me....Unlike Funches, I do not put religion and spirituality in the same box...I believe in facts and I believe in spirituality as defined by how I live day to day, the choices I make or do not make and why....For me it works....I admire your convictions Cowboy and I know if we were ever to cross paths I would end up liking you ...I am just not sure you would like me too...That is one very big issue I have with Christians, they have this uncanny way of diminishing everyone and everything that does not fit neatly into their tidy box(s).....

all you have to do is apply a little logic

according to the bible..the concept of time was the first to come into existence then God came into existence then The Heavens and The Earth was created and God was turned into flesh all during the 6 days of Creation ...in which "time" was recorded and placed into the category of BC and AD which means that God, Time and Mankind according to the bible can not be any older than 6,000 years

so unless Adam and Eve taking from the fruit cause them to mutate into another aberrate species that waged war against the dinosaurs into extinction then this is why the faithful is not allowed to accept the theory of evolution

I take it you have never heard of the panspermia hypothesis.

Would that mean transferred as opposed to created by...................

It's the theory of certain atheists that life originated on another planet and that life on earth may have intentionally been created by an alien intelligence. Richard Dawkins has admitted that this theory might have value. Intelligent Design is often suggested to be a "Christian" belief, but there are atheists who see problems with abiogenesis on earth and also support the theory of intelligent design.