Topic: The Problem With Evolution?
CowboyGH's photo
Thu 02/09/12 10:41 AM



No, obviously you do not.

The bible says day, but it does not define day.

So, what's next hm?

From arms and legs, to time, to what now?


if the Bible states "In The Beginning"...that should be a clue that it's the first day


..first day..

Of what? Keep reading.. 'Earth'.

If you go to Saturn, and sit on the planet. You age 5x faster.

Sit somewhere else, different planet, you'll age differently.

Get the point yet?

Why are there days different?

Oh, gee I wonder.


Very true, again we have absolutely no idea how exactly long the days where. Could have been millions of years long for all we know, or even just a couple seconds. We are not given a time frame of just how exactly long the days were.

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Thu 02/09/12 10:43 AM




No, obviously you do not.

The bible says day, but it does not define day.

So, what's next hm?

From arms and legs, to time, to what now?


if the Bible states "In The Beginning"...that should be a clue that it's the first day


..first day..

Of what? Keep reading.. 'Earth'.

If you go to Saturn, and sit on the planet. You age 5x faster.

Sit somewhere else, different planet, you'll age differently.

Get the point yet?

Why are there days different?

Oh, gee I wonder.


Very true, again we have absolutely no idea how exactly long the days where. Could have been millions of years long for all we know, or even just a couple seconds. We are not given a time frame of just how exactly long the days were.


I'm battling you with science and religion, not just one or the other.

Each planet itself has a different concept of time.
That's science.

One the first day...

First day for... who? ..or what?

CowboyGH's photo
Thu 02/09/12 10:46 AM





No, obviously you do not.

The bible says day, but it does not define day.

So, what's next hm?

From arms and legs, to time, to what now?


if the Bible states "In The Beginning"...that should be a clue that it's the first day


..first day..

Of what? Keep reading.. 'Earth'.

If you go to Saturn, and sit on the planet. You age 5x faster.

Sit somewhere else, different planet, you'll age differently.

Get the point yet?

Why are there days different?

Oh, gee I wonder.


Very true, again we have absolutely no idea how exactly long the days where. Could have been millions of years long for all we know, or even just a couple seconds. We are not given a time frame of just how exactly long the days were.


I'm battling you with science and religion, not just one or the other.

Each planet itself has a different concept of time.
That's science.

One the first day...

First day for... who? ..or what?


True, that and "day" has no time in itself to be exact. A "day" is not specifically 24 hours long. That is just the term we personally use to calculate a day.

Another definition of day is as follows - specified time or period

And we have absolutely no idea what time God specified as a day in the creation of this world. Again could have been hundreds of years, a couple days, millions of years, or even a second.

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Thu 02/09/12 10:51 AM



If God sees one day as 5,000 years.


then according to Carl Sagan God would be stuck in a time warp

but we are going by the bible....Genesis 1:1 ..states "In The Beginning" ...nothing about 5,000 years



..there you go, reading what you want again.

How is that a time warp?

You have no sun set to differentiate one day from the next.

Earth doesn't exist yet, therefore, one day to us, is not necessarily one day to him.

Just like if you fly to one planet and return and you believe it only took you 20 minutes, if actually took you ten years.

Therefore, his definition for day would, could, and is different.


all I asked is why God need with arms and legs....and you deflect it into Time Travel

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Thu 02/09/12 10:54 AM
I'll even take this one step further.

Here is my age on each planet if I had been born and lived there for the same amount of 'time'.

Mercury: 126 years old

Venus: 49 years old

Earth: 30 years old

Mars: 16 years old

Jupiter: 2 years old

Saturn: 1 year old

The next three I have to do in days, because I wouldn't even be a year old yet because their years are ridiculously long.

Uranus: 15,461 days old

Neptune: 16,615 days old

..and if this was still a planet..

Pluto: 17,420 days old.

See the comparison just between the planets in this universe?

Thus, why I keep saying you cannot 'humanize' God.

CowboyGH's photo
Thu 02/09/12 10:54 AM




If God sees one day as 5,000 years.


then according to Carl Sagan God would be stuck in a time warp

but we are going by the bible....Genesis 1:1 ..states "In The Beginning" ...nothing about 5,000 years



..there you go, reading what you want again.

How is that a time warp?

You have no sun set to differentiate one day from the next.

Earth doesn't exist yet, therefore, one day to us, is not necessarily one day to him.

Just like if you fly to one planet and return and you believe it only took you 20 minutes, if actually took you ten years.

Therefore, his definition for day would, could, and is different.


all I asked is why God need with arms and legs....and you deflect it into Time Travel


God has no "need" for them. God has no need. But just because he doesn't need them, why does that mean he does not have them?

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Thu 02/09/12 10:54 AM




If God sees one day as 5,000 years.


then according to Carl Sagan God would be stuck in a time warp

but we are going by the bible....Genesis 1:1 ..states "In The Beginning" ...nothing about 5,000 years



..there you go, reading what you want again.

How is that a time warp?

You have no sun set to differentiate one day from the next.

Earth doesn't exist yet, therefore, one day to us, is not necessarily one day to him.

Just like if you fly to one planet and return and you believe it only took you 20 minutes, if actually took you ten years.

Therefore, his definition for day would, could, and is different.


all I asked is why God need with arms and legs....and you deflect it into Time Travel


I answered that 10 times over. For one.

Two. I didn't deflect to time travel.


CowboyGH's photo
Thu 02/09/12 10:55 AM

I'll even take this one step further.

Here is my age on each planet if I had been born and lived there for the same amount of 'time'.

Mercury: 126 years old

Venus: 49 years old

Earth: 30 years old

Mars: 16 years old

Jupiter: 2 years old

Saturn: 1 year old

The next three I have to do in days, because I wouldn't even be a year old yet because their years are ridiculously long.

Uranus: 15,461 days old

Neptune: 16,615 days old

..and if this was still a planet..

Pluto: 17,420 days old.

See the comparison just between the planets in this universe?

Thus, why I keep saying you cannot 'humanize' God.


Very good. And who's to say again that the time on Earth was 24 hours long when God first created the world?

no photo
Thu 02/09/12 10:57 AM





If God sees one day as 5,000 years.


then according to Carl Sagan God would be stuck in a time warp

but we are going by the bible....Genesis 1:1 ..states "In The Beginning" ...nothing about 5,000 years



..there you go, reading what you want again.

How is that a time warp?

You have no sun set to differentiate one day from the next.

Earth doesn't exist yet, therefore, one day to us, is not necessarily one day to him.

Just like if you fly to one planet and return and you believe it only took you 20 minutes, if actually took you ten years.

Therefore, his definition for day would, could, and is different.


all I asked is why God need with arms and legs....and you deflect it into Time Travel


I answered that 10 times over. For one.

Two. I didn't deflect to time travel.




perhaps the moderators accidently deleted it...so answer it for the 11th time

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Thu 02/09/12 10:58 AM


I'll even take this one step further.

Here is my age on each planet if I had been born and lived there for the same amount of 'time'.

Mercury: 126 years old

Venus: 49 years old

Earth: 30 years old

Mars: 16 years old

Jupiter: 2 years old

Saturn: 1 year old

The next three I have to do in days, because I wouldn't even be a year old yet because their years are ridiculously long.

Uranus: 15,461 days old

Neptune: 16,615 days old

..and if this was still a planet..

Pluto: 17,420 days old.

See the comparison just between the planets in this universe?

Thus, why I keep saying you cannot 'humanize' God.


Very good. And who's to say again that the time on Earth was 24 hours long when God first created the world?


Exactly.

So, God has arms, no one ever said or proclaims he 'needs' them. You don't have to 'have' something because you 'needed' it.

..as for time, well, I think I covered this.

I'd be a full adult grown male on Earth, but be a toddler yet a few planets away.

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Thu 02/09/12 10:59 AM






If God sees one day as 5,000 years.


then according to Carl Sagan God would be stuck in a time warp

but we are going by the bible....Genesis 1:1 ..states "In The Beginning" ...nothing about 5,000 years



..there you go, reading what you want again.

How is that a time warp?

You have no sun set to differentiate one day from the next.

Earth doesn't exist yet, therefore, one day to us, is not necessarily one day to him.

Just like if you fly to one planet and return and you believe it only took you 20 minutes, if actually took you ten years.

Therefore, his definition for day would, could, and is different.


all I asked is why God need with arms and legs....and you deflect it into Time Travel


I answered that 10 times over. For one.

Two. I didn't deflect to time travel.




perhaps the moderators accidently deleted it...so answer it for the 11th time


..they didn't.

You want to be lazy, that's your choice.

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Thu 02/09/12 11:02 AM


well according to the bible that alpha omega is no older than 6,000 years .....

Biblical existence and Time is measured in B.C. and A.D.



..further note, reading back.

It was you who brought up Time.

Not us.

Just for clarification.
Seeming as how those are both your posts; after I began to answer your arm leg question.

no photo
Thu 02/09/12 11:06 AM







If God sees one day as 5,000 years.


then according to Carl Sagan God would be stuck in a time warp

but we are going by the bible....Genesis 1:1 ..states "In The Beginning" ...nothing about 5,000 years



..there you go, reading what you want again.

How is that a time warp?

You have no sun set to differentiate one day from the next.

Earth doesn't exist yet, therefore, one day to us, is not necessarily one day to him.

Just like if you fly to one planet and return and you believe it only took you 20 minutes, if actually took you ten years.

Therefore, his definition for day would, could, and is different.


all I asked is why God need with arms and legs....and you deflect it into Time Travel


I answered that 10 times over. For one.

Two. I didn't deflect to time travel.




perhaps the moderators accidently deleted it...so answer it for the 11th time


..they didn't.

You want to be lazy, that's your choice.


nope..it's proof that you never had an answer

no photo
Thu 02/09/12 11:08 AM



well according to the bible that alpha omega is no older than 6,000 years .....

Biblical existence and Time is measured in B.C. and A.D.



..further note, reading back.

It was you who brought up Time.

Not us.

Just for clarification.
Seeming as how those are both your posts; after I began to answer your arm leg question.


dude...read the post...the "alpha omega" quote is what started the time debate...you just jumped into it without thinking

no photo
Thu 02/09/12 11:15 AM

So, God has arms, no one ever said or proclaims he 'needs' them.


right...God is floating around with body parts he don't need

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Thu 02/09/12 11:16 AM
I did answer you.
Even Cowboy answered you the same way.

We did answer you.

Second, you pushed off more and more on the topic of time, not us.

He mentioned 'God is the Alpha and Omega', not me.
So clearly you are confused.

This opened my question, after I had answered you three times, which you ignored and simply went after Cowboy; which the question revolved around where you came up with the God only being 6,000 years old.

You unintentionally, or otherwise, started the time concept.

Not I.
Not Cowboy.
You.

As I stated, ridiculing another's belief, caused his reaction in attempting to clarify you stating God has an age.

It's all there.

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Thu 02/09/12 11:17 AM


So, God has arms, no one ever said or proclaims he 'needs' them.


right...God is floating around with body parts he don't need



..what's wrong with that?

It's an answer.

Oh right, you don't accept anyone's answer.
Because that is just never right.

So, why ask?

no photo
Thu 02/09/12 11:17 AM

I did answer you.
Even Cowboy answered you the same way.

We did answer you.

Second, you pushed off more and more on the topic of time, not us.

He mentioned 'God is the Alpha and Omega', not me.
So clearly you are confused.

This opened my question, after I had answered you three times, which you ignored and simply went after Cowboy; which the question revolved around where you came up with the God only being 6,000 years old.

You unintentionally, or otherwise, started the time concept.

Not I.
Not Cowboy.
You.

As I stated, ridiculing another's belief, caused his reaction in attempting to clarify you stating God has an age.

It's all there.


according to you God has arms and legs because he doesn't need them ...

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Thu 02/09/12 11:19 AM



So, God has arms, no one ever said or proclaims he 'needs' them.


right...God is floating around with body parts he don't need



..what's wrong with that?

It's an answer.

Oh right, you don't accept anyone's answer.
Because that is just never right.

So, why ask?


according to the bible God does need them....

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Thu 02/09/12 11:19 AM







And God wasn't created, he is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God.


well according to the bible that alpha omega is no older than 6,000 years .....


..the Bible depicts God to have an age?

Where?


Biblical existence and Time is measured in B.C. and A.D.






BC - Before Christ. Not God.

AD - After Death. Death of Christ.

Surely you knew that?

Jesus is from AD, not BC.

God is from the start OF BC.


all you have to do is apply a little logic

Both "Time" and "God's age" and "Creation" began at Genesis 1:1

Therefore

anything in the bible that existed before Jesus would be B.C.
anything in the bible that existed after Jesus would be A.D.

it comes to around 6,000 years...give or take a eon or two



Eh, that's not logic.

Because why?

Adam and Eve's stay in the Garden.. that was how long?
Exactly, they wouldn't have known for themselves; since they were 'oblivious' to even being naked. Therefore, they'd know not the concept of time.

After their banishment, they lived to be over 900 years old. Noah lived to be over 1,000.

Let me say this clearly for you.

Logic is not humanizing God.

The Bible starts from our definition of 'age' and 'time'.
Therefore, if it takes us 20 years too travel from Earth to Jupiter; it may only take God an hour.

So, what took us 20 years, took him one hour. Thus, ultimately, our definitions of time would be vastly different.

On the same note, God's first act of creating the Heaven and the Earth could have taken him one day... in his sense; but to us it could have taken 50 years.

Therefore, like I said, humanizing God will not find you logic. It will find you assuming.

Maybe the creation of Adam took him only an hour..
..but in our terms, it took him 10 years.

You always want logic and sometimes the lack of it actually makes it logical.


Here.

This clarify it more up for you?

He stated that God wasn't 'created', he is the 'alpha and the omega'.

You then put an Age of God.

Thus the topic swerved.
Which we believe is denoted to the fact you were answered but again refuse to accept any answer outside your own perception of 'logic'.