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But God doesn't need to walk, therefore he has no need for the legs. THANK YOU! no thank me...for enlightening you ..but you haven't. Seriously. You've done no such thing. False praising of self.. ..sounds to me like another Bible may be in the workings. the fact that you admitted that God "needs" legs to walk....proves that I have ...simply get the moderators to delete it...if you can't...then live with it |
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This is a reminder to leave the personal attacks and insults OFF of the forums. Debate in a civil manner
Kim |
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But God doesn't need to walk, therefore he has no need for the legs. THANK YOU! no thank me...for enlightening you ..but you haven't. Seriously. You've done no such thing. False praising of self.. ..sounds to me like another Bible may be in the workings. the fact that you admitted that God "needs" legs to walk....proves that I have ...simply get the moderators to delete it...if you can't...then live with it .... Are you serious?! That's what you are going with?? So, tell me what thing can engage in walking WITHOUT legs? NOTHING. That would no longer constitute walking. It doesn't change the fact that God did NOT NEED to walk. Therefore, he only needed legs IF he wanted to walk.. Oh my.. forget it. It's pointless, you just can't grasp simple, easy, English nor the basics of physics. So, fine, whatever, you win. |
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This is a reminder to leave the personal attacks and insults OFF of the forums. Debate in a civil manner Kim ..hey, hey.. I did no such thing. -.- Least not that I'm aware of? |
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CowboyGH, for the first time I meet a person who lies himself and abuse the religion as badly as no one of the enemy of it do or done it you CowboyGH not only have shown us your arrogant way of abusing religion but you are doing the same to all of the forumers by trying to underrate their intelligence you CowboyGH you have no idea what are you doing and/or talking about and you show that you are not knowledgeable about the bible or your faith but only with internet copy and paste quotes and non of them at the right time or place CowboyGH , waiting for your apologize abt what you lie here : ====================================================== Shows Jesus' father is his God. But that does not mean there are two Gods. Shows that Jesus is our God. ====================================================== But hey CowboyGH , I wont cry and care if you don't do it ... Guess why .... So CowboyGH .... by your words above what is true ? 1. there is one god or many gods ? 2. if God is the only creator then who created 'on a lower level then world wide, there are many gods ' ? 3. If God is 'ONE supreme being' then Jesus is that 'ONE supreme being' ? Luke 4:12 12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God Shows that Jesus is our God. -------- Matthew 27:45-46 45Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Shows Jesus' father is his God. But that does not mean there are two Gods. Again "God" is purely for showing authority over another, it is not some mystical, magical, fantasy. That is why Jesus is our God, for he is our lord, he is the one that will judge us, he is the one that created us, he is the one in charge of us. Jesus referred to his father as "God" because his father is the authority over him. So with the Father have authority over the son and or the father being the God of the son, that would mean the father is our God as well. We get to the father through Jesus Christ. We worship the father through Jesus Christ. We worship one God, one authority. They may be two different "persons" but they are one God, they are one authority over us. EG., "The father and I are one". CowboyGH, for the first time I meet a person who lies himself and abuse the religion as badly as no one of the enemy of it do or done it you CowboyGH not only have shown us your arrogant way of abusing religion but you are doing the same to all of the forumers by trying to underrate their intelligence you CowboyGH you have no idea what are you doing and/or talking about and you show that you are not knowledgeable about the bible or your faith but only with internet copy and paste quotes and non of them at the right time or place You guys continue to say I don't know what I'm talking about, but fail to show scriptural evidence of this. I show scriptures to back what I say, why can you guys not do the same? |
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CowboyGH, for the first time I meet a person who lies himself and abuse the religion as badly as no one of the enemy of it do or done it you CowboyGH not only have shown us your arrogant way of abusing religion but you are doing the same to all of the forumers by trying to underrate their intelligence you CowboyGH you have no idea what are you doing and/or talking about and you show that you are not knowledgeable about the bible or your faith but only with internet copy and paste quotes and non of them at the right time or place CowboyGH , waiting for your apologize abt what you lie here : ====================================================== Shows Jesus' father is his God. But that does not mean there are two Gods. Shows that Jesus is our God. ====================================================== But hey CowboyGH , I wont cry and care if you don't do it ... Guess why .... So CowboyGH .... by your words above what is true ? 1. there is one god or many gods ? 2. if God is the only creator then who created 'on a lower level then world wide, there are many gods ' ? 3. If God is 'ONE supreme being' then Jesus is that 'ONE supreme being' ? Luke 4:12 12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God Shows that Jesus is our God. -------- Matthew 27:45-46 45Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Shows Jesus' father is his God. But that does not mean there are two Gods. Again "God" is purely for showing authority over another, it is not some mystical, magical, fantasy. That is why Jesus is our God, for he is our lord, he is the one that will judge us, he is the one that created us, he is the one in charge of us. Jesus referred to his father as "God" because his father is the authority over him. So with the Father have authority over the son and or the father being the God of the son, that would mean the father is our God as well. We get to the father through Jesus Christ. We worship the father through Jesus Christ. We worship one God, one authority. They may be two different "persons" but they are one God, they are one authority over us. EG., "The father and I are one". CowboyGH, for the first time I meet a person who lies himself and abuse the religion as badly as no one of the enemy of it do or done it you CowboyGH not only have shown us your arrogant way of abusing religion but you are doing the same to all of the forumers by trying to underrate their intelligence you CowboyGH you have no idea what are you doing and/or talking about and you show that you are not knowledgeable about the bible or your faith but only with internet copy and paste quotes and non of them at the right time or place You guys continue to say I don't know what I'm talking about, but fail to show scriptural evidence of this. I show scriptures to back what I say, why can you guys not do the same? CowboyGH , time to admit that what you said here are lies .. ====================================================== Shows Jesus' father is his God. But that does not mean there are two Gods. Shows that Jesus is our God. ====================================================== if you don't get what you said above then see like math: ------------------------------ if A= Jesus and B =God Shows Jesus' father is his God. A not= B then B Not= A Shows that Jesus is our God. A=B then B = A / God is Jesus / But that does not mean there are two Gods. A and B doesn't exist ------------------------------- |
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Edited by
chocolina
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Thu 02/09/12 02:56 PM
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CowboyGH said :
You guys continue to say I don't know what I'm talking about, but fail to show scriptural evidence of this. I show scriptures to back what I say, why can you guys not do the same? CowboyGH , time to admit that what you said here are lies .. ====================================================== Shows Jesus' father is his God. But that does not mean there are two Gods. Shows that Jesus is our God. ====================================================== if you don't get what you said above then see like math: ------------------------------ if A= Jesus and B =God Shows Jesus' father is his God. A not= B then B Not= A Shows that Jesus is our God. A=B then B = A / God is Jesus / But that does not mean there are two Gods. A and B doesn't exist ------------------------------- |
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Luke 4:12 12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God Shows that Jesus is our God. -------- This wasn't Jesus threatening the man, this was him stating he should not Tempt their God, aka, his Father. Jesus never resorted to threats. It was a warning, 'Hey bro, don't tempt the man upstairs.' Matthew 27:45-46 45Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Yes, yes, I remember this chapter. Shows Jesus' father is his God. Not just 'His' God, he is everyone's. But that does not mean there are two Gods. Again "God" is purely for showing authority over another, it is not some mystical, magical, fantasy. That is why Jesus is our God, for he is our lord, he is the one that will judge us, he is the one that created us, he is the one in charge of us. Jesus referred to his father as "God" because his father is the authority over him. So with the Father have authority over the son and or the father being the God of the son, that would mean the father is our God as well. We get to the father through Jesus Christ. We worship the father through Jesus Christ. We worship one God, one authority. Mkay. I see where you are going with this; however, I had to read it a few times because it's worded confusingly. Basically, you are saying that we pray/worship/etc Jesus, and not God himself, because Jesus is our 'supervisor'. I guess that would make him more like a King, because technically, a King only 'answers to God'. So, somewhat, makes sense... Though, you really should re-word it. They may be two different "persons" but they are one God, they are one authority over us. EG., "The father and I are one". One voice. "When you face God, I will be sitting at the right hand of my Father." God created man. Man disobeyed God. God forsake man. Man demanded proof of God. God gave us His son. Man killed said son. Jesus died yet still saved 'us' from God's already proven wrath. Two different entities. Yet they speak of one voice muttering the words of clarity in one language. CowboyGH, for the first time I meet a person who lies himself and abuse the religion as badly as no one of the enemy of it do or done it Despite bad grammar, to claim he abused it worse than anyone in history; that's over dramatic. Much has been done in the 'Eyes of God'. Much of that was heinous and despicable. So, to say he speaks of Christianity worse then your enemies.. ..truth is, it's believers that actually created a storm of disbelievers. you CowboyGH not only have shown us your arrogant way of abusing religion but you are doing the same to all of the forumers by trying to underrate their intelligence I've seen no abuse of religion? Not even the words above. Maybe misinterpretated or miss stated, but abused? you CowboyGH you have no idea what are you doing and/or talking about and you show that you are not knowledgeable about the bible or your faith but only with internet copy and paste quotes and non of them at the right time or place But that has always been the main defense for Christians; quoting the context of a man-written book. If someone does not believe in the Bible but holds a minuscule belief that God does exist; it becomes tarnished when the only responses he hears are taken from that said Bible. Example: "How do you know God exists?" "Because Luke says.." Right, that's going to work. You guys continue to say I don't know what I'm talking about, but fail to show scriptural evidence of this. I show scriptures to back what I say, why can you guys not do the same? You simply take what you read one way. As they take it their own. However, since it is not a universal nor adapted thought; it's blasphemous. That's all it is. That's all it ever will be. I take the words: "..if thy child is found disrespecting his parents, may he be brought to the rod and beaten until death.." ..as a blatant sign of giving he OK to not only kick your kid's culo, but do so until he is dead. However, I am told that this 'rod' isn't a physical rod meant to actually bring pain. Death is just rhetorical. It's merely a threat. Jesus doesn't threaten. Apparently, God does. |
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Edited by
Sin_and_Sorrow
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Thu 02/09/12 03:07 PM
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CowboyGH said : You guys continue to say I don't know what I'm talking about, but fail to show scriptural evidence of this. I show scriptures to back what I say, why can you guys not do the same? CowboyGH , time to admit that what you said here are lies .. ====================================================== Shows Jesus' father is his God. But that does not mean there are two Gods. Shows that Jesus is our God. ====================================================== if you don't get what you said above then see like math: ------------------------------ if A= Jesus and B =God Shows Jesus' father is his God. A not= B then B Not= A Shows that Jesus is our God. A=B then B = A / God is Jesus / But that does not mean there are two Gods. A and B doesn't exist ------------------------------- ..you forgot C. A = Jesus B = God C = Man He is saying: A is to B like C is to A. OR God is to Jesus, like Jesus is to Man. Man calls Jesus 'God'. Jesus calls his father 'God'. God would not call his son God, however. (Edit in bold. Worded in wrong.) |
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"..if thy child is found disrespecting his parents, may he be brought to the rod and beaten until death.." Is that a quote from the Bible? It doesn't sound like it... |
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"..if thy child is found disrespecting his parents, may he be brought to the rod and beaten until death.." Is that a quote from the Bible? It doesn't sound like it... Meh, not precisely. I can't recall it word for word. If I took it straight from it, I would've quoted it. Maybe it was Proverbs? Gimme a second, I'll dig it up. |
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Meh, can't find the exact passage.
I'm pretty sure it was Proverbs though, that speaks a lot of this 'rod'. Exodus 21:15 says something similar, but not precise. "Whoever strikes his mother or father shall be put to death." A tad bit extreme for the 'God of Mercy'. Again, though, not the exact passage I sought, but I'll find it.. eventually. |
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Hey Spider, I found it.
I was right, Proverbs 22:15. "Foolishness is bound to the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him." Proverbs 22:15 I am told that this is a rhetorical rod, not an actual rod. So I'm assuming it is not to be confused with the rod from Exodus. As that rod did have a physical form. |
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Hey Spider, I found it. I was right, Proverbs 22:15. "Foolishness is bound to the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him." Proverbs 22:15 I am told that this is a rhetorical rod, not an actual rod. So I'm assuming it is not to be confused with the rod from Exodus. As that rod did have a physical form. ..wait, that's not it either. This one doesn't mention 'until death'. Hmm.. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Thu 02/09/12 03:35 PM
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Cowboy, in one of your former posts, you wrote:
They may be two different "persons" but they are one God, they are one authority over us. EG., "The father and I are one". Cowboy, in this particular quote you made above in the past, The "person" part was correct.....but then later on, you changed your mind again,and called them separate entities again..which is NOT correct biblical teaching. GOD Can NOT be 3 separate ENTITIES, and at the same time, be ONE SUPREME BEING. Again..The Father ,Son ,and Holy Spirit are 3 separate PERSONS IN ONE GOD..( not 3 separate ENTITIES as you keep saying )in One God... The thing is, one minute you say persons, but then later on you say they are separate entities again... all thus confusion is NOT from God. And I , along with other christians on here ,have showed you scriptures explaining this simple basic Truth( along wigh a lot of other misunderstood scriptures by you)... ..both online and via email....I personally have tried for over a year now....some others have tried helping you understand for years...but to no avail. 
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Edited by
Spidercmb
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Thu 02/09/12 03:47 PM
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"..if thy child is found disrespecting his parents, may he be brought to the rod and beaten until death.." Is that a quote from the Bible? It doesn't sound like it... Meh, not precisely. I can't recall it word for word. If I took it straight from it, I would've quoted it. Maybe it was Proverbs? Gimme a second, I'll dig it up. I'm pretty sure I know the verse you are talking about. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. I'm not going to provide links for all this, I'm not that interested. I've written about this topic many times, but there is no search function, so I can't just resurrect the threads. The "elders of his city" would be a council of 12 Rabbis. For a situation that calls for the death penalty, all 12 have to agree that the accused deserves death and there has to be at least 2 witnesses. When the execution is to be carried out, the convicted is put at the bottom of a cliff or at the bottom of a scaffolding. A large boulder is then dropped by the witnesses onto the convicted individual. If they wouldn't drop the rock, the execution was cancelled. In the case of this law, the parents would be required to drop the boulder onto their son. Not an easy thing for any parent. But look at what the son must have done: glutton and a drunkard This law was from a time when Israel was full of wild animals, surrounded by enemies and always under threat of attack, disease or famine. The word translated as "glutton" literally means "to squander". So the son is squandering food or resources in some way that jeopardizes his family and his community. And he is frequently drunk. This isn't a child, he's an adult who is behaving incredibly irresponsibly. This is a man who is a danger to his family and the whole community. Literally, hundreds of people could die if he was drunk when he was on guard duty. If you kick him out of your village, he could end up in the hands of your enemies who could then use the information he knows to attack you. All that said, I think it's possible to imagine a situation when this law would be justly applied. But it's a moot point, because there isn't a single record of this law ever actually being used. |
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which is NOT correct biblical teaching. Didn't realize there was a right and wrong way to perceive something written thousands of years ago. Regardless, good to know. GOD Can NOT be 3 separate ENTITIES, and at the same time, be ONE SUPREME BEING. ...why not? Is it because... Again..The Father ,Son ,and Holy Spirit are 3 separate PERSONS IN ONE GOD..( not 3 separate ENTITIES as you keep saying )in One God... ..that somehow makes more sense to you? Thing is, God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, they aren't 'persons' to begin with. In fact, the only one who was a 'person' at one point, as far as I know, was Jesus; because God is God, not a 'person'. The Spirit well, he's a spirit. So, persons isn't the appropriate terminology either. They aren't 'human'. Nor are they unspecified individuals. Entity: "distinct and independent existence" Hmmmmmm...... The thing is, one minute you say persons, ans later on you say they are separate entities again...all thus confusion is NOT from God. Correct. It's from the reader. |
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Edited by
Spidercmb
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Thu 02/09/12 03:52 PM
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GOD Can NOT be 3 separate ENTITIES, and at the same time, be ONE SUPREME BEING. ...why not? Is it because... Christians believe that all humans are triune beings: Body, Soul and Spirit. Your Soul is your mind, your Spirit is your connection to God and your body is just the shell you inhabit in this world. God is also a Triune being. All three parts are fully sentient and have their own minds, but they share the same will. |
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And even a newcomer on here,Chocolina, is also now
seeing the confusion in your posts. Actually, many people do....even Sin_and_Sorrow...we all see the confusion...bur some just don;t say anything. Cowboy...doesn't that tell you something is wrong in your interpretation? Maybe it's Time to listen??? And Go to God in prayer , and ask God to help you see and get it right now? |
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Didn't realize there was a right and wrong way to perceive something written thousands of years ago. Regardless, good to know. How would something written thousands of years ago be any different than something written five minutes ago? The author meant to convey a message. By understanding the language, the context, the history, the figures of speech and the idioms of the day, you can get very close to, if not the exact message the author intended. |
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