I think Satan would be a cool guy to party with.

nowhere in the bible does Satan lies ,when Satan does kill he ask God for permission first

but The Book of Revelation proves that Satan and everyone were forced into their roles due to Prophecy

Satan simply was what God created him to be...an Angel

I thought there was a religion forum for stuff like this.

well this is the science and philosophy forum...and religion is a philosophy ..and it can be described as being a mental disorder thereby placing it into the cateogory of science

GOD made satan so that you would know right from wrong

good and evil

satan is pure evil



hell on earth must sound

like a good thing to you

God created Satan/Lucifer as an Angel.
What goes untold is "why" he decided to "turn" on God.

Regardless, he supposedly goes on to "trick" Adam and Eve, who had no morals of "right" and "wrong" or "good" and "evil" into eating for a tree that God decided to "put" there for no apparent reason.

All Satan truly "wanted" according to the Bible was for man to have a "greater destiny" then just be "gardeners" for the rest of their lives.

Later, again, Satan takes the blame for "Cain" killing his brother "Abel" in an act of "jealousy". Yes, somehow, mystically, "Satan" played a role in "Cain"'s actions.

In fact, I think he gets blamed for about 99.9% of all the evil actions; despite it being "free-will", he "manipulated" the situation.

Satan, himself, the person/demon; I don't recall him ever actually "killing" anyone.

Meanwhile...

God branded and banished Cain for killing his brother out of jealousy; a few encouraging words were apparently far too much to ask for. It wasn't like Cain wasn't "trying", Abel was just having better results, reaping all the rewards; favoritism at its finest.

Later.

He massacred the Egyptians; slaughtered the newborn "infants" for what reason? Oh yeah, favoritism to his "people".

Later, again, the "Great Flood". Yeah, not feeling the need to explain what Genocide is.

Christianity was formed - Hades (Myth) became Satan.

However, Hades as portrayed by Mythology wasn't actually an evil individual. It was the realm he was "given" (short straw) that actually made him slightly demented. It was by that he became so wholly feared; it was through the fear of humanity, that he became "dark".

All of God's Angels are given "duties".

So, yes, your idea is very feasible.

After being in charge of that "realm" for centuries after centuries; yeah, I'd be a little "demented" myself.

That is ludicrous.

We were never intended to know "right from wrong".
Tree - Knowledge - Don't eat - Remember?

Satan was already there.

Supposedly as a "snake/serpent".

Adam and Eve weren't "tempted".
To be "tempted" do you not need the "knowledge" to know--

..if I do "this", then "this" will happen.

They had no such knowledge.

Since there is 1 billion interpretations of the bible heres mine,Lucifer may have been trying to lure people to him to save them from Gods genocidal ways.Unfortunately he isn't too convincing.

GOD said

And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;

But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.



i think GOD had a little pre knowledge


knowledge is what is giving them power to bring the endtimes


you dont know right from wrong?

WE know right from wrong. NOW.

Adam and Eve. They did NOT.

They knew nothing of the sort until AFTER eating of the tree they were told not to.

And, honestly, no.

No one truly knows what the difference is between right and wrong.

God said don't do this. Yet did it himself.
God said don't be this way. Yet did such himself.

Curiosity/innocence - Such is portrayed as a "sin".

So to be "innocent" is wrong.
To be "knowledgeable" is wrong.
To be "curious" is wrong.

So, what is "right"?

According to said knowledge; blindly following and listening to Him that is the only true "right".

heres some one that might be able to help you


http://www.shepherdschapel.com/index.htm


you can watch his videos and download his weekly audio files

im sorry but the churches are misleading people at this time

they are teaching pagan/satanic teachings

so are the tv shows ,movies and music

once you learn this it will soon seem clear

fluoride is a big problem too

you should try to avoid it

1. Flouride - Such is fine so long as you do not digest it.

2. He states that he "Makes no apology for teaching the Serpent Seed Doctrine".

Serpent Seed Doctrine?!? Seriously???

Serpent Seed = Bold Print Above.

Serpent Seed belief states that Eve SLEPT with the Serpent.
Then, Adam, who apparently wasn't bothered by this - Slept with her.

Serpent Seed belief also states - Sex was NEVER meant to be for pleasure.

So, if that was true WHY would the snake have the desire to sleep with her? Her with a snake? Then him with her?

Serpent Seed also states that: "We gained our instinct to kill from animals; they kill to feed."

Again: In the Garden EVERYONE, man, woman, animal - ALL of them were VEGETARIANS/HERBIVORES. NO animal had an instinct to KILL.

Serpent Seed also states: "Sex for pleasure, since Eve "cost us our innocence" we became the only species that has "sex for pleasure"."

That statement is a BOLD face LIE.

Animals that CANNOT bare offspring, will still have sex.
Dogs/Cats that DON'T even have the PARTS to bare children will still hump and attempt to have SEX.

What purpose does that serve?!

He only stated one thing that made sense to me:

The Lord hates those who sow discord among brethren (Proverbs 6:16-19)

Now where he's little tiff on hypocrisy? Wow... Special.

i dont even know what you watched

i think they used used tapes



to kill is not to feed our self

it is to lie in wait to murder someone


Sex for pleasure is lust

I didn't watch anything.

I read his statement. And the link next to it.

Such was his own written words.

He said he "preaches/believes in" the Serpent Seed Doctrine.

trust me, or even ask Morning Song, that's one thing I know A LOT about.

Biblically speaking, Satan is directly responsible for the deaths of well...everything that has ever died. Doesn't sound like such a good guy to me. Satan isn't doing a job given to him by God, he's filling a role he choose for himself. He hates humans, because we were given something that was denied him.

That said, this isn't really a new idea, read the Incarnations of Immortality books by Piers Anthony. "On a Pale Horse" is the first and best in my opinion. A suicidal man accidentally kills death and has to take his place. Book 6, "For Love of Evil" is about how the Devil is just doing a job.

But you state such under the assumption that:

If man had not eaten from the tree, "mortality" would not have entered the picture.

How do you know this to be unquestionable truth?

What if, in actuality, not enough time had actually passed for anything to die yet? Even after banished, they lived to be 900 and some and that's of what they recorded. Who's to say they weren't destined to die anyway? I see no proof nor anything stated that "all" were i fact actually immortal.

Why then, as well, would God later be quoted saying, "Banish them and let them not eat from the Tree of Immortality 'fore they become like us." ..and then place a guardian in front of the garden so they cannot return?

So, how is it truly fair and just to blame him that cannot be truly proven? Or can it?

What in the world does teaching paganism have to do with satanism?

I don't, I have faith that it is true.



What I believe: Everything God created was perfect and has since decayed. Adam and Eve had perfect DNA. Gradually, free radicals and time took a toll on their DNA and it became corrupted. Some of the newly defective genes were passed on to their children and the children also developed their own defective genes. Eventually, humanity evened out to where we are.



Because they had been banished due to their sins. Maybe I don't understand the question?



Can you prove that Satan exists? It seems a bit strange to me to take the Bible at face value as to the existence of Satan, but then question the rest of the narrative. On what do you base your revisionist ideas of Satan?

EDIT: Reworded to clarify meanings.

Satan thought himself to be greater then the Father. He thought he could do a better job. Satan was the most powerful, beautiful, greatest angel God had, thus he grew an ego thinking he was greater then God and even confessed to be. Thus he was kicked out of Heaven, ever since then he's been butt hurt trying to prove what he originally claimed.

Satan tempts people to do "evil" things just for that reason, in an attempt to prove he is greater then God. But funny thing in the end, Satan will be the one that has it rough.

God "allows" Satan to do what he does to keep this world from being a paradise as we were kicked out of the paradise and have not earned our way back in. But again, it's Satan getting the short end of the stick as his fate is already set in stone.

Fair enough. Can't argue that. :P



Kind of makes me wonder..
Back then people lived so long, yet now our live expectancy is far lower. Perhaps, it's God's way of balancing it out? It there were 7 billion all expected to live roughly 200 years.. my what a crowded place this would be. :O



This question actually went with something mentioned earlier:

A. Everyone was immortal until they ate from the tree of knowledge of good/evil blah blah.

B. But if they were already immortal, how did eating up the knowledge (g/e blah blah) suddenly make them mortal that God would then state, "Let them not eat from the Tree of Eternal Life or whatever that tree was called. (Why couldn't they just be called Acorn or Mango trees.. seriously. Long names = Not cute)



When I debate/speak on the Bible, it is merely me trying to decipher different perceptions on things that, usually/normally, I find fault/difficulty in understanding.

However, when I do this; I try to take into consideration that ALL the Bible is in its whole, or at best partly, valid.

Meaning, if God exists, and Adam and Eve scenario all happened. Then the Serpent exists. Despite some variances I've heard over the past few months; one thing remains true; the Serpent was, in some way shape or form, a "entity" of Satan (ie, either he WAS Satan, or the Serpent was being "controlled" by Satan, or the Serpent was "tricked" by Satan being the most common I've heard.)

I have no clue if that made any sense..
..hoping it did? o.O