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Topic: Is there a god or nature which nourishes us
msharmony's photo
Fri 05/25/12 12:11 AM






I just thought of something profound,,,,


wait for it,,,wait for it,,,


its no man or womans obligatoin to PROVE Gods existence

God proves his existence,

if there is any obligation at all,,,,


its mans obligation to believe,,,


If it was mans obligation to believe then all would believe.....it mans right to choose to believe or not believe.....as for me and my house we will walk in the faith of the lord




I understand obligation to be a choice as well,,,

but its not significant,, I think we are in agreement that its mans choice to believe or not






In a child support judiciary order the obligor pays the obligee and the amount is obligated.....there is no choice you must pay or consequences ensue.......obligation isn't a choice its commanded and demanded......from my view....



I agree. It is commanded to worship God. There are consequences if we choose not to.


much like a court orders the obliger to pay and when they dont there is consequences (whether he didnt know about the order or because he just chose not to follow it)


I personally think much higher of God than to be so petty to DEMAND worship. And spare me the free will garbage too.......we can't freely choose anything if we are being effectively held up at gun point to choose what you want us to choose. Doesn't work, never did.


do you choose not to walk in front of a car?

is the knowledge that you will be harmed the same as not having a choice for you?

CowboyGH's photo
Fri 05/25/12 05:54 AM
Edited by CowboyGH on Fri 05/25/12 05:55 AM






I just thought of something profound,,,,


wait for it,,,wait for it,,,


its no man or womans obligatoin to PROVE Gods existence

God proves his existence,

if there is any obligation at all,,,,


its mans obligation to believe,,,


If it was mans obligation to believe then all would believe.....it mans right to choose to believe or not believe.....as for me and my house we will walk in the faith of the lord




I understand obligation to be a choice as well,,,

but its not significant,, I think we are in agreement that its mans choice to believe or not






In a child support judiciary order the obligor pays the obligee and the amount is obligated.....there is no choice you must pay or consequences ensue.......obligation isn't a choice its commanded and demanded......from my view....



I agree. It is commanded to worship God. There are consequences if we choose not to.


much like a court orders the obliger to pay and when they dont there is consequences (whether he didnt know about the order or because he just chose not to follow it)


I personally think much higher of God than to be so petty to DEMAND worship. And spare me the free will garbage too.......we can't freely choose anything if we are being effectively held up at gun point to choose what you want us to choose. Doesn't work, never did.


Death isn't a punishment put on each person as an individual. It's not a do this or die thing. We as the human race fell from the grace of God in the Garden of Eden when they ate of the Tree of Life. God offers us a way back into that paradise and he has give us the path to this paradise. It's the person's choice to take it or not. Eternal life is a gift.

Jesus took that punishment for you, so you would not have to.

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