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A visual representation of this conversation.   How true it is!
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A visual representation of this conversation. How true it is! You guys forgot something... 2012 AD: That root is illegal, here take this poison. |
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Why do you think that is quackery?
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I guess if the Mayo Clinic is a bunch of quacks, then it's quackery.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/prostate-laser-surgery/MY00611 |
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Check out this quack...  http://www.sperlingprostatecancercenter.com/focal_laser_ablation.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIFU What's wrong with using a laser to ablate tumors? |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Tue 05/29/12 09:22 AM
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Yea, I think peter was hoping that anything he posted I would just knee jerk call quackery. I actually do look into these things, and only comment if I feel reasonable certain I understand the relevance, applicability, and efficacy of a given method, technique, or treatment. I am be no means an expert, but I do take this stuff seriously. I hope if ever I make some glaring mistake in presenting something someone will correct me, and provide citations that will help me understand my mistakes. My goal is to eliminate misunderstanding, not take a side.
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A visual representation of this conversation. How true it is! You guys forgot something... 2012 AD: That root is illegal, here take this poison.
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Speaking of Illegal. Pot is a really great medicine. Especially for people who are in a lot of pain.
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Check out this quack... http://www.sperlingprostatecancercenter.com/focal_laser_ablation.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIFU What's wrong with using a laser to ablate tumors? Nothing... |
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Check out this quack... http://www.sperlingprostatecancercenter.com/focal_laser_ablation.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIFU What's wrong with using a laser to ablate tumors? Nothing... |
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I thought Peter was trying to imply a similarity between the Rife device and other tools. That was just a guess.
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Tue 05/29/12 04:23 PM
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I thought Peter was trying to imply a similarity between the Rife device and other tools. That was just a guess. Just more nonsense being linked without any explanation for what claims are being made. Rife claimed to have documented a "Mortal Oscillatory Rate" for various pathogenic organisms, and to be able to destroy the organisms by vibrating them at this particular rate. According to the San Diego Evening Tribune in 1938, Rife stopped short of claiming that he could cure cancer, but did argue that he could "devitalize disease organisms" in living tissue, "with certain exceptions".[4] This was rifes claim . . .
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Where I'd like to see you start is with the so-called "quack" remedies. If you know of any scientific studies that refute the efficacy of the treatments, I'd like to see them. Scientific studies have been done on only a small fraction of the quackery. There is just so much quackery, its a better use of time and resources to educate people about the way that quacks operate in general, rather than play whack-a-mole with every single quack. I could claim that drinking water that's been placed in a special red jar then left in the sunlight for minutes will cure the measles. I invent some ******** about vibrational energy, how we are mostly water, how measles resonates at a certain frequencies, etc etc, and sell tens of thousands of vials of this water. You come in and do an expensive, time consuming study to show I'm full of ****. But next week Bushido steps forward and says: you did your study at a different altitude. The sunlight needs to be conditioned by passing through the atmosphere just so, and embarks on his quack campaign. So you come in and do an expensive, time consuming study at the same altitude to show how Bushido's quack treatment is based on lies. The Metal says: Aha! See here? The special effect also depends on special qualities of the local water... Rinse and repeat as above, you show that his quackery is false. Then Bravalady says: Oh, wait! Clearly the negative, skeptical thoughts of the researchers were interfering with the vibrational cohesion of the quantum cellular transitions! Whack-a-quack never ends! Creating arbitrary quack remedies is to easy. IMO, sensible people will not believe the claims of quacks without quality studies being done to show that their methods work - rather than saying "Well....prove it doesn't work!" -------------------- Now, as far as Rife is concerned.... Rife himself (I'm told) made some wrong claims in support of his work, such as the claim that all cancer was caused by bacteria and viruses. It is true that bombarding a diseased region with certain kinds of energy can be helpful in treating the disease, and in that sense Rife was on to something... but his over-simplifications and grandiose claims rightfully earned him some measure of disdain from more sensible people. I don't know enough about Rife or the drama between him and his colleagues to comment further on that (for all I know, his ideas may have been rejected wholesale without an objective investigation)... ...either way, his name would still be strongly associated with quackery because of the quacks that have exploited his name in the promotion of their worthless products. Whether or not Rife successfully killed some bacteria in his lab, some of the devices being sold in recent decades, with his name on it, are self-evidently worthless. People have died as a result of trusting the quacks selling and using these devices. The scientific and medical communities have been researching and using various ways forms of therapeutic bombardment for many, many decades - without the burden of quack-style thinking. They have made a great deal of progress - but this doesn't validate the claim that Rife machines are cancer cure-alls. |
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Where I'd like to see you start is with the so-called "quack" remedies. If you know of any scientific studies that refute the efficacy of the treatments, I'd like to see them. Scientific studies have been done on only a small fraction of the quackery. There is just so much quackery, its a better use of time and resources to educate people about the way that quacks operate in general, rather than play whack-a-mole with every single quack. I could claim that drinking water that's been placed in a special red jar then left in the sunlight for minutes will cure the measles. I invent some ******** about vibrational energy, how we are mostly water, how measles resonates at a certain frequencies, etc etc, and sell tens of thousands of vials of this water. You come in and do an expensive, time consuming study to show I'm full of ****. But next week Bushido steps forward and says: you did your study at a different altitude. The sunlight needs to be conditioned by passing through the atmosphere just so, and embarks on his quack campaign. So you come in and do an expensive, time consuming study at the same altitude to show how Bushido's quack treatment is based on lies. The Metal says: Aha! See here? The special effect also depends on special qualities of the local water... Rinse and repeat as above, you show that his quackery is false. Then Bravalady says: Oh, wait! Clearly the negative, skeptical thoughts of the researchers were interfering with the vibrational cohesion of the quantum cellular transitions! Whack-a-quack never ends! Creating arbitrary quack remedies is to easy. IMO, sensible people will not believe the claims of quacks without quality studies being done to show that their methods work - rather than saying "Well....prove it doesn't work!" -------------------- Now, as far as Rife is concerned.... Rife himself (I'm told) made some wrong claims in support of his work, such as the claim that all cancer was caused by bacteria and viruses. It is true that bombarding a diseased region with certain kinds of energy can be helpful in treating the disease, and in that sense Rife was on to something... but his over-simplifications and grandiose claims rightfully earned him some measure of disdain from more sensible people. I don't know enough about Rife or the drama between him and his colleagues to comment further on that (for all I know, his ideas may have been rejected wholesale without an objective investigation)... ...either way, his name would still be strongly associated with quackery because of the quacks that have exploited his name in the promotion of their worthless products. Whether or not Rife successfully killed some bacteria in his lab, some of the devices being sold in recent decades, with his name on it, are self-evidently worthless. People have died as a result of trusting the quacks selling and using these devices. The scientific and medical communities have been researching and using various ways forms of therapeutic bombardment for many, many decades - without the burden of quack-style thinking. They have made a great deal of progress - but this doesn't validate the claim that Rife machines are cancer cure-alls. "Scientific studies have been done on only a small fraction of the quackery." I would like to see one, just one. "Rife himself (I'm told) made some wrong claims in support of his work, such as the claim that all cancer was caused by bacteria and viruses." You should really check these things out for yourself. Unless you want me to tell you facts so that you can say Rife was correct... |
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Unless you want me to tell you facts so that you can say Rife was correct... Your the one posting this stuff, that makes it your claims, so yea show us the evidence!
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People have died as a result of trusting the quacks selling and using these devices. Can you trust your doctor? First, do no harm. NaturalNews's stance is that conventional medicine is still one of the top causes of death in the United States. Specifically, information obtained by Death by Medicine shows that an estimated 106,000 people die from adverse drug effects -- from properly prescribed drugs -- every year, and approximately 98,000 die annually from some sort of error by medical staff. |
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Unless you want me to tell you facts so that you can say Rife was correct... Your the one posting this stuff, that makes it your claims, so yea show us the evidence! "No thanks, its a big web out here, and your a big boy..." |
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Unless you want me to tell you facts so that you can say Rife was correct... Your the one posting this stuff, that makes it your claims, so yea show us the evidence! "No thanks, its a big web out here, and your a big boy..."
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Unless you want me to tell you facts so that you can say Rife was correct... Your the one posting this stuff, that makes it your claims, so yea show us the evidence! "No thanks, its a big web out here, and your a big boy..." "What Can Be Asserted Without Evidence Can Be Dismissed Without Evidence"
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