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Topic: Epiphany
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 06/18/12 07:16 AM Edited by msharmony on Mon 06/18/12 07:17 AM
Belief is merely a choice,,,, why do some believe the 'evidence' of the authenticity of the Bible and others dont,,,,,choice why do some believe we went to space and others dont,,,,choice why do some believe in conspiracies and others dont ...choice in this day and age there is SO much conflicting information on just about EVERYTHING , it is truly mere CHOICE which information a person believes in thats why debate always becomes circular,,,,because of so much 'information' on both sides of an issue and the millions of ways to interpret all those pieces of information,,

Quietman_2009 Joined Wed 07/29/09 Posts: 7430	Mon 06/18/12 07:30 AM Edited by Quietman_2009 on Mon 06/18/12 07:32 AM
I agree with all that. And have two additional points to make 1. You're supposed to gather the facts and data and from that formulate a theory. It's common on the Internet for people to formulate a theory and then gather facts and data to support it. 2. There are agnostics and atheists and secularists who have their beliefs and that's fine. Then there are the Anti-Christians who seem to have some sort of chip on their shoulder and devote all their time and energy to ridiculing Christianity and people of faith. They revert to point 1 cherry picking anything they find in order to debunk and deny a persons right to believe what they choose. That is their choice. But I'm just not a good enough of a Christian to keep from popping them in the nose when they start in on me

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 06/18/12 07:32 AM
B] I agree with all that. And have two additional points to make 1. You're supposed to gather the facts and data and from that formulate a theory. It's common on the Internet for people to formulate a theory and then gather facts and data to support it. 2. There are agnostics and atheists and secularists who have their beliefs and that's fine. Then there are the Anti-Christians who seem to have some sort of chip on their shoulder and devote all their time and energy to ridiculing Christianity and people of faith. They revert to point 1 cherry picking anything they find in order to debunk and deny a persons right to believe what they choose. That is their choice. But I'm just not a good enough of a Christian to keep from popping them in the nose when they start in on me good points but dont go popping people in the nose ,,,,,lol

harsh2019 Joined Tue 06/05/12 Posts: 314	Mon 06/18/12 07:44 AM
Well its not only in one religion but in other religions also my friends............people believe what they want to believe and think that what they dont believe in does not exist even when there ezists enough proof of the existence of that thing which they refuse to believe in

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Mon 06/18/12 07:46 AM
Creationist try to debunk evolutionist when the facts and data are there for creationist to see but they don't see it cause of their faith.So it's a 2 way street creationist aren't saints they try to fill childrens minds with their crap junk science too and tell children that evolution is false.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 06/18/12 07:48 AM
Creationist try to debunk evolutionist when the facts and data are there for creationist to see but they don't see it cause of their faith.So it's a 2 way street creationist aren't saints they try to fill childrens minds with their crap junk science too and tell children that evolution is false. the op was not about any specific group, just about beliefs in general,,,

Quietman_2009 Joined Wed 07/29/09 Posts: 7430	Mon 06/18/12 07:51 AM
i don't get why anyone could think creationism and evolution are not two words for the same thing Evolution is just creationism that takes a REALLY long time

Quietman_2009 Joined Wed 07/29/09 Posts: 7430	Mon 06/18/12 07:58 AM
My CHOICE is to believe that I am a clay pot And God is the potter. Does the pot really get to care what it is filled with? Does a pot get to complain about what other pots are filled with? So for intolerant Christians and secularist all I can say is STFU.

galendgirl Joined Sun 07/06/08 Posts: 24728	Mon 06/18/12 08:04 AM
i don't get why anyone could think creationism and evolution are not two words for the same thing Evolution is just creationism that takes a REALLY long time I believe these theories work together...we just can't get out if our own way (as humans) to figure it out and acknowledge the correct answer. I like your viewpoint... Thanks.

AdventureBegins Joined Tue 04/10/07 Posts: 7666	Mon 06/18/12 08:16 PM
i don't get why anyone could think creationism and evolution are not two words for the same thing Evolution is just creationism that takes a REALLY long time I agree with that. Indeed I take it a bit farther. Time being what it is Evolution IS creation. In the eyes of God Genesis was but a moment ago.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Tue 06/19/12 05:19 AM Edited by RKISIT on Tue 06/19/12 05:30 AM
God created everything and science has figured out how God created things is still the belief in a God so that's claiming God exist.So to say they both work together is still a theist/creationist point of view. To say the universe is what it is and does what it does cause thats how it works and life evolved from elements that are on this planet is evolution. Which one is true?It's what you want to believe.I just refuse to believe that a magic man created everything in 6 days. I think it's BS to claim science and God should be as one to satisfy the masses cause thats still claiming God exist and there's no scientific data to even make the claim God exist.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 06/19/12 10:18 AM
God created everything and science has figured out how God created things is still the belief in a God so that's claiming God exist.So to say they both work together is still a theist/creationist point of view. To say the universe is what it is and does what it does cause thats how it works and life evolved from elements that are on this planet is evolution. Which one is true?It's what you want to believe.I just refuse to believe that a magic man created everything in 6 days. I think it's BS to claim science and God should be as one to satisfy the masses cause thats still claiming God exist and there's no scientific data to even make the claim God exist. is there scientific theory to suggest that anything can develop from nothing and nowhere? it is totally feasible that SOMETHING or SOMEONE created all that science has discovered and more,,,, until we know under what circumstances something as complex as the universe and life can COME INTO BEING, science will always be just a tool to uncover pieces of what the puzzle looks like, and not an answer to where the puzzle came from in the first place,,,

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Tue 06/19/12 11:07 AM
God created everything and science has figured out how God created things is still the belief in a God so that's claiming God exist.So to say they both work together is still a theist/creationist point of view. To say the universe is what it is and does what it does cause thats how it works and life evolved from elements that are on this planet is evolution. Which one is true?It's what you want to believe.I just refuse to believe that a magic man created everything in 6 days. I think it's BS to claim science and God should be as one to satisfy the masses cause thats still claiming God exist and there's no scientific data to even make the claim God exist. is there scientific theory to suggest that anything can develop from nothing and nowhere? it is totally feasible that SOMETHING or SOMEONE created all that science has discovered and more,,,, until we know under what circumstances something as complex as the universe and life can COME INTO BEING, science will always be just a tool to uncover pieces of what the puzzle looks like, and not an answer to where the puzzle came from in the first place,,, what do you mean science has link life back to single cell/multicell organisms not Adam from dust and Eve from a rib.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 06/19/12 11:09 AM
God created everything and science has figured out how God created things is still the belief in a God so that's claiming God exist.So to say they both work together is still a theist/creationist point of view. To say the universe is what it is and does what it does cause thats how it works and life evolved from elements that are on this planet is evolution. Which one is true?It's what you want to believe.I just refuse to believe that a magic man created everything in 6 days. I think it's BS to claim science and God should be as one to satisfy the masses cause thats still claiming God exist and there's no scientific data to even make the claim God exist. is there scientific theory to suggest that anything can develop from nothing and nowhere? it is totally feasible that SOMETHING or SOMEONE created all that science has discovered and more,,,, until we know under what circumstances something as complex as the universe and life can COME INTO BEING, science will always be just a tool to uncover pieces of what the puzzle looks like, and not an answer to where the puzzle came from in the first place,,, what do you mean science has link life back to single cell/multicell organisms not Adam from dust and Eve from a rib. a 'link' does not mean an origin,,,,

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Tue 06/19/12 11:25 AM Edited by RKISIT on Tue 06/19/12 11:35 AM
God created everything and science has figured out how God created things is still the belief in a God so that's claiming God exist.So to say they both work together is still a theist/creationist point of view. To say the universe is what it is and does what it does cause thats how it works and life evolved from elements that are on this planet is evolution. Which one is true?It's what you want to believe.I just refuse to believe that a magic man created everything in 6 days. I think it's BS to claim science and God should be as one to satisfy the masses cause thats still claiming God exist and there's no scientific data to even make the claim God exist. is there scientific theory to suggest that anything can develop from nothing and nowhere? it is totally feasible that SOMETHING or SOMEONE created all that science has discovered and more,,,, until we know under what circumstances something as complex as the universe and life can COME INTO BEING, science will always be just a tool to uncover pieces of what the puzzle looks like, and not an answer to where the puzzle came from in the first place,,, what do you mean science has link life back to single cell/multicell organisms not Adam from dust and Eve from a rib. a 'link' does not mean an origin,,,, lol...typical creationist never satisfied ok then life did come from single cell organisms.abiogenesis is being studied for single cell organisms coming from inorganic matter.They're making progress.Still the modern humans final destination back to origins of life is the single cell organism.Not dust and a rib.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 06/19/12 11:34 AM
God created everything and science has figured out how God created things is still the belief in a God so that's claiming God exist.So to say they both work together is still a theist/creationist point of view. To say the universe is what it is and does what it does cause thats how it works and life evolved from elements that are on this planet is evolution. Which one is true?It's what you want to believe.I just refuse to believe that a magic man created everything in 6 days. I think it's BS to claim science and God should be as one to satisfy the masses cause thats still claiming God exist and there's no scientific data to even make the claim God exist. is there scientific theory to suggest that anything can develop from nothing and nowhere? it is totally feasible that SOMETHING or SOMEONE created all that science has discovered and more,,,, until we know under what circumstances something as complex as the universe and life can COME INTO BEING, science will always be just a tool to uncover pieces of what the puzzle looks like, and not an answer to where the puzzle came from in the first place,,, what do you mean science has link life back to single cell/multicell organisms not Adam from dust and Eve from a rib. a 'link' does not mean an origin,,,, lol...typical creationist never satisfied ok then life did come from single cell organisms abiogenesis is being studied for single cell organisms coming from inorganic matter.They're making progress.Still the modern humans final destination back to origins of life is the single cell organism.Not dust and a rib. not proven,,, I can 'link' aids to homosexuals, would that be scientific evidence or PROOF that that is where it ACTUALLY started,, ?

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Tue 06/19/12 11:52 AM
God created everything and science has figured out how God created things is still the belief in a God so that's claiming God exist.So to say they both work together is still a theist/creationist point of view. To say the universe is what it is and does what it does cause thats how it works and life evolved from elements that are on this planet is evolution. Which one is true?It's what you want to believe.I just refuse to believe that a magic man created everything in 6 days. I think it's BS to claim science and God should be as one to satisfy the masses cause thats still claiming God exist and there's no scientific data to even make the claim God exist. is there scientific theory to suggest that anything can develop from nothing and nowhere? it is totally feasible that SOMETHING or SOMEONE created all that science has discovered and more,,,, until we know under what circumstances something as complex as the universe and life can COME INTO BEING, science will always be just a tool to uncover pieces of what the puzzle looks like, and not an answer to where the puzzle came from in the first place,,, what do you mean science has link life back to single cell/multicell organisms not Adam from dust and Eve from a rib. a 'link' does not mean an origin,,,, lol...typical creationist never satisfied ok then life did come from single cell organisms abiogenesis is being studied for single cell organisms coming from inorganic matter.They're making progress.Still the modern humans final destination back to origins of life is the single cell organism.Not dust and a rib. not proven,,, I can 'link' aids to homosexuals, would that be scientific evidence or PROOF that that is where it ACTUALLY started,, ? you're a typical creationist the evidence is out there but you rather rely on 2,000 year old shepherd stories.Oh well.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 06/19/12 01:03 PM
God created everything and science has figured out how God created things is still the belief in a God so that's claiming God exist.So to say they both work together is still a theist/creationist point of view. To say the universe is what it is and does what it does cause thats how it works and life evolved from elements that are on this planet is evolution. Which one is true?It's what you want to believe.I just refuse to believe that a magic man created everything in 6 days. I think it's BS to claim science and God should be as one to satisfy the masses cause thats still claiming God exist and there's no scientific data to even make the claim God exist. is there scientific theory to suggest that anything can develop from nothing and nowhere? it is totally feasible that SOMETHING or SOMEONE created all that science has discovered and more,,,, until we know under what circumstances something as complex as the universe and life can COME INTO BEING, science will always be just a tool to uncover pieces of what the puzzle looks like, and not an answer to where the puzzle came from in the first place,,, what do you mean science has link life back to single cell/multicell organisms not Adam from dust and Eve from a rib. a 'link' does not mean an origin,,,, lol...typical creationist never satisfied ok then life did come from single cell organisms abiogenesis is being studied for single cell organisms coming from inorganic matter.They're making progress.Still the modern humans final destination back to origins of life is the single cell organism.Not dust and a rib. not proven,,, I can 'link' aids to homosexuals, would that be scientific evidence or PROOF that that is where it ACTUALLY started,, ? you're a typical creationist the evidence is out there but you rather rely on 2,000 year old shepherd stories.Oh well. You are right about one thing, the evidence is out there.

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Tue 06/19/12 01:12 PM
OOH its starting to sound like the X-files! The truth is out there!

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Tue 06/19/12 03:17 PM
God created everything and science has figured out how God created things is still the belief in a God so that's claiming God exist.So to say they both work together is still a theist/creationist point of view. To say the universe is what it is and does what it does cause thats how it works and life evolved from elements that are on this planet is evolution. Which one is true?It's what you want to believe.I just refuse to believe that a magic man created everything in 6 days. I think it's BS to claim science and God should be as one to satisfy the masses cause thats still claiming God exist and there's no scientific data to even make the claim God exist. is there scientific theory to suggest that anything can develop from nothing and nowhere? it is totally feasible that SOMETHING or SOMEONE created all that science has discovered and more,,,, until we know under what circumstances something as complex as the universe and life can COME INTO BEING, science will always be just a tool to uncover pieces of what the puzzle looks like, and not an answer to where the puzzle came from in the first place,,, what do you mean science has link life back to single cell/multicell organisms not Adam from dust and Eve from a rib. a 'link' does not mean an origin,,,, lol...typical creationist never satisfied ok then life did come from single cell organisms abiogenesis is being studied for single cell organisms coming from inorganic matter.They're making progress.Still the modern humans final destination back to origins of life is the single cell organism.Not dust and a rib. not proven,,, I can 'link' aids to homosexuals, would that be scientific evidence or PROOF that that is where it ACTUALLY started,, ? you're a typical creationist the evidence is out there but you rather rely on 2,000 year old shepherd stories.Oh well. You are right about one thing, the evidence is out there. yep that there is no god