Topic: Leave an ANONYMOUS or NOT SO ANONYMOUS MSG - part 15
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Thu 08/23/12 10:57 PM
I can't complain but sometimes I still do........smokin

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Thu 08/23/12 11:06 PM

Woohoo, Friday where are you?
biggrin In New Zealand it is Friday today.

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Thu 08/23/12 11:42 PM
i still press your letters to my lips and cherish them in parts of me that savor every kiss. i couldnt face a life without your light but all of that was ripped apart when you refused to fight.. if you still care dont ever let me know.

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Fri 08/24/12 01:03 AM
I have a killer headache mad

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Fri 08/24/12 05:29 AM

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Fri 08/24/12 06:06 AM
Going to my class reunion this weekend I cant wait to see U again its been awhile!!!love :banana:

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Fri 08/24/12 06:16 AM
Have a fun Friday.

Simonedemidova's photo
Fri 08/24/12 09:29 AM

Going to my class reunion this weekend I cant wait to see U again its been awhile!!!love :banana:


Ahhhh have a great time, how exciting.

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Fri 08/24/12 10:03 AM


Going to my class reunion this weekend I cant wait to see U again its been awhile!!!love :banana:


Ahhhh have a great time, how exciting.
Im looking for a date!!! U wanna go?blushing flowerforyou

Simonedemidova's photo
Fri 08/24/12 10:10 AM
Ahh, I would be honored if I lived in Nebraska! I'm sure you will have funflowerforyou

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Fri 08/24/12 10:16 AM

Ahh, I would be honored if I lived in Nebraska! I'm sure you will have funflowerforyou
And it would be an honor to take U!!!!:heart: flowers

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Fri 08/24/12 10:27 AM

A lesson in irony.

The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is actually proud of the fact it is distributing the greatest amount of free meals and food stamps ever.

Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us to "Please Do Not Feed the Animals." Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves.

This ends today's lesson.


There is an emotional reaction to this, and a logical one.

The logical one can't do anything with this. Is it good to have idle people, or bad to have idle people? Who use resources.

Well, one says if they are idle, they should not use resources. But why not? Because we are going to run out of resources? We are going to run out of truly non-reusable resources sooner or later, no matter how many idle people use them, and how many non-idles.

Well, one says we will run out sooner if idle people keep using resources. But there is a fallacy, inasmuch as it's not the idleness of people to use resources, but the fact they are people, idle or not.

In fact, idle people use much less non-renewable resources than working people. About one-tenth to one-hundredth and in some cases, one non-idle person can use as much as ten billion times as much non-renewable resources alone as on idle person.

So the idea is false. If we don't feed idle people, then they will be replaced by non-idle people (nature abhors a vacuum!) and the resources will run out not in 1000 years, but in 10 years.

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The analogy was false. Animals do not generate their own resources, which are renewable. If a resource runs out, the entire species dies. If you make a deer population large enough by artificial feeding, then the next spring they are likely or can possibly graze all the green stuff they live on, and then the entire population dies. There is no control to what they eat, how much, and how they (the deer) neglect to replant those greens. One deer eats so much, every day. If there is no more to eat, he dies.

Humans are different. Humans will eat a field of corn, and next year they plant it again. Corn grows in the wild extremely thinly. If humans ate only corn, and only the corn that grows in the wild, we would be like deer: we would die.

So we plant corn, which costs work. The idle don't plant corn. The workers hate the idle ones. But as long as the workers plant enough corn, and there is enough for them and the idle, then the workers' anger is emotional, not logical.

To feed 1000 people takes one person's work. A person's work can grow and harvest corn enough that will feed one thousand people.

Imagine there is only enough land to plant corn to feed 1000 people. The one person grows and harvests it, and the rest also eat it. One year the population increases to 1100. For one thirty days nobody will eat at the end of the year, because there is food only for 1000 peole for 365 days.

Will this be the fault of the idle people? No, hardly. It is the fault that there are too many peoople. But whether the 'too many' are idle or not, is not the reason for the famine and subsequent annihilation of the race.

In an area of land, man has always more food than humans.

In an area of land, deer have exactly as much deer as the land can support.

A little increase in the number of humans is not going to kill the humans.

A little increase in the number of deer will potentially wipe out all the deer.

This has nothing to do with which deer is industrious and which deer is idle.

This has nothign to do with which human is industrious and which is idle

This has to do sheerly with the number of deer and humans, that an area of land can support.

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Fri 08/24/12 10:36 AM
Edited by wux on Fri 08/24/12 10:42 AM

A lesson in irony.

The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is actually proud of the fact it is distributing the greatest amount of free meals and food stamps ever.

Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us to "Please Do Not Feed the Animals." Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves.

This ends today's lesson.


Whoa nelly. Are you sure this is what the deaprtment of interior's bulletin asks, worded like this?

Almost all animals don't learn how to do things to take care of themselves. Whatever they need to learn, they do it within their species' learning tool.

If a deer eats food hand-outs, he will still know how to graze.

And as far as learning is concerned, for even the most sophisticated of animals outside of man, even for the deer, that's where the buck stops. (Sorry for the pun.)

Animals learn how to eat. The handouts will never take that learning ability from them, as long as the animals are still moving about their natural environ.

I am highly suspicious that it was you who put that line "will not learn how to take care of themselves" in. I am saying this, because that line is ridiculously untrue, and anyone who knows animals knows that. A wildlife official would certainly know that, even if he works in the department's top level.

Even for humans it does not apply. You think if I don't work, or any other person, will unlearn the alphabet or how to use the computer? An idle person will forget how to button up his shirt, or how to use a shower facility and a soap? Will idle people lose or not learn how to go to a doctor if they feel ill?

This reasoning you gave is not only not solid, but it is completely wrong.

If you say that only welders know how to weld, and idle don't, and that only doctors know how to doct, or only dog trainers know how to train dogs, well, an idle person can learn those skills in the same amount of time as a student of welding, docting, and training. This is soooo not true what you are insinuating there.

The reason idle are idle is because the jobs to be done are already done by those who do them, and no more people are needed to do those jubs. Much like a farmer will feed 1000 people, and if another person will want to farm, then the other person's work is mere unnecessary repetition of the farmer's work. That behaviour, being repetitious and redundant, in the field of farming (another pun!) is punished by society.

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Fri 08/24/12 11:00 AM
Edited by JOHNN111 on Fri 08/24/12 11:02 AM
Will idle people lose or not learn how to go to a doctor if they feel ill?



Ahahaha The art of justification... awesome!

I don't think idle ppl forget how to visit a medical clinic...

I think they have not a clue of what it costs to actually operate that clinic for their and others well being?

I know... I know Wux... you're thinking that since the clinic is built already and the Doctor is there anyways... whats the prob... I get it whoa

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Fri 08/24/12 12:05 PM
Jack of hearts

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Fri 08/24/12 02:16 PM
Just wanted to say hi and tell the people that are still around that I actually know that I miss them terribly!! :heart:

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Fri 08/24/12 02:24 PM

Just wanted to say hi and tell the people that are still around that I actually know that I miss them terribly!! :heart:


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galendgirl's photo
Fri 08/24/12 02:37 PM
Turn the corner often enough and eventually you find yourself on a new road with unexplored possibilities.

Ruth34611's photo
Fri 08/24/12 03:31 PM
Actions speak louder than words.

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Fri 08/24/12 03:58 PM
ps... I like your honesty with me. This friendship is refreshing. You know you are my fav p**t.