that is one of the best comments i have seen yet

magic man


why is it that sig others feel that they need to control one another

either you trust them or you don't

and if ya don't

then why bother

but hey what do i know

"Love isn’t about becoming someone’s personal servant.

Hmmmm? When I typed that I just realized how odd that sounds. In a human relationship we would puke at such a notion, yet in a religious sense people are always talking about loving god by becoming his personal servant. How weird is that?"

Amazing how some of the most long standing misconceptions can be stumbled upon during an innocent hike via an explanation of human relationship. I would ask why or how such a self-contained entity as God would need a personal servant? Unfortunately, I know the answer would be to, "Spread the Word of God", so

Okay, okay, y'all keep on spreadin' it and be happy!

Differentkindofwench,

Jesus taught that leaders should lead by serving. Jesus washed the feet of his disciples to prove this point. Jesus spent his days teaching the people and healing the sick. Jesus died, not for himself, but for us. Serving others is the truest expression of love. God wants to make us happy and everyone who accepts Jesus as their Lord will spend all eternity being loved and made happy by God. We love God, because he loved us first. We serve God, because he served us first.

God bless.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Spider. I'm glad it works for you - have at it and enjoy.

I do not need a middle man between me and God, be it a priest or an older brother, Jesus.

Differentkindofwench,

I was explaining a peice of Christian doctrine to you, I felt that you didn't understand it. I wasn't preaching to you, what I said wasn't meant to convert you.

And according to the Bible, Jesus isn't a middleman, He is God. It was Jesus who created the universe and everything in it. According to Christian doctrine, God doesn't want worship from anyone who rejects their creator, which is why Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." Again, I'm not preaching, I'm offering information about what Christians believe.

God bless.

Okay Spider. Then do me a favor, define, "but by me". For you, its a given Jesus and God are one and the same entity. I can't see that. The name, Jesus, never showed up in the names of God, i.e. Yahweh (include both spellings), Allah, I AM. Face it you know more names for God than I do. Did you ever once see Jesus listed there?

Differentkindofwench,

When the Father and Son converse, I wouldn't believe for a second that the Son is called "Jesus" or Yeshua or Yahoshua. The Bible says that Jesus' name is "wonderful". Wonderful in Hebrew means "so great that it is unknowable". That would explain why Jesus wasn't mentioned by name. But as I was saying in another thread, Jesus was very active in the Old Testament. Jesus was called Malach Yahweh, the Redeemer, Wonderful, the Son of Man, Lord (Adonai) of Hosts and Messiah in the Old Testament. Our Lord's name is beyond our ability to understand or comprehend, so the authors of the Bible gave him the names I listed above.

Wait, so "Son of Man" actually refers to God?

Wait again, the son and father converse - God talks to himself? I'm honestly not being a smartass here. How can they be one yet need to converse?

Differentkindofwench,

Yes, "Son of Man" refers to the Son.

Yes, they converse, but I doubt that they use words to do so. Jesus prayed to the Father when he was here on earth. As I understand it, they are joined in spirit, they do not share the same mind. They are two seperate beings who share all the same spiritual attributes (just, merciful, loving, etc).

So, Jesus is son of man who happens to have reached the spiritual maturity (lack of better phrase) equal to that of God, hence why he is also son of God? Two separate entities, God and son of both man and God?

Differentkindofwench,

No, Jesus was never just a man. Jesus has always been God, but he is also man. It's called the hypostatic union. Fully God and fully man. Nobody will ever be God or God-like, other than God. "Son of Man" refers to the fact that Jesus was born to mankind. He already existed, had always existed, but one facet of his being is that he is a man.

Spider, I am soooooooo (smacks her head on the desk) flippin confused. So how does the two beings you were talking about come in? If they don't share a mind, uhggggg. Let me go look up that hypostatic (sounds like something to do with blood pressure, but I already know that isn't gonna work) maybe that'll help.

Differentkindofwench stated: "LadyV, at first I read this and went ----- Wh--at? Sister Shaman 'splained it to me though, so I then went Oh! Okay, that'll work........"

Well, please tell me what exactly this "Sister Shaman tell you about being a Christian Pagan Witch and why didn't you just ask me what a Christian Pagan Witch was? What better way to learn about someone's spiritual beliefs than to ask that person personally? Wouldn't you agree?

Spidercmb stated: "Jesus taught that leaders should lead by serving. Jesus washed the feet of his disciples to prove this point. Jesus spent his days teaching the people and healing the sick. Jesus died, not for himself, but for us. Serving others is the truest expression of love."

Call me jaded, but I've learned in the 33 years of my life that doing nothing but opening your home, heart and soul to others time and time again in order to serve the greater good of mankind ends up making you a doormat. Even though I'm a Christian Pagan Witch I take a Laveyan Satanic approach to people... love and help those who deserve it... if someone smacks you on the cheek SMASH them on their cheek... in this way, you will not be taken advantage of and become a doormat, as I have in the past.

Nope, Spider, just not computing in my brain. The logic of it I can glimpse, but the absolute agreement and belief, not happening. Thanks for the time you've taken here though.

LadyV, she said you follow the teachings of Jesus and are a Pagan Witch. I didn't ask you because what she said made sense to me. When I happen to be reading a thread in the same room with somebody, that can easily happen. Although, I'm curious did I inadvertently brush a chip of some sort?

Differentkindofwench,

Think of it this way, say my last name is "Potter" (it's not, just an example). Me and my family would be called "The Potter Family", right? God means an object of worship. We worship the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as one God, not three. The reason is that the Father and the Son are joined in spirit, therefore the whatever the Father does is what the Son does as well. They don't disagree, they are in total agreement and they share the same nature (perfect, eternal, just, omniscient, omnipotent, merciful, loving, etc).

I don't have any problem with the term pagan...but then I'm an Odinist....not much bothers us...lol

I also wear the Hammer.

Hail Odin....im busting out the drinking horn