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Cowboy, you also stated: No one is sinless. How would you know this, or are you just parroting an idea programmed into your head over and over and over. First, to define sin as "disobedience of God" you have to define God. No one has ever done that to my satisfaction. Also, if Jesus washed a person sins away as so many Christian claim, then they are sinless right? If they are not, then how many times does Jesus have to die on the cross for their sins? The answer is every day. That is why many Churches build idols of a man nailed to a pole or cross displayed, and that is why churches constantly preach how Jesus died for our sins. If you accept Jesus, you sins are washed away they say. Therefore you are sinless are you not? Again, taking words out of context. Yes everyone has sinned, we are all sinners. But where one is sinful or sinless is where one's heart is and if they accepted Jesus as Lord and savior. All have been offered the gift of Jesus' blood that was shed on Calvery. It's not as simple as just saying you accept Jesus as Lord then continue on your same life style and think you could be sinless. One accepting Jesus as Lord will then follow his commandments. Yes, we will slip time to time and make mistakes sinning. God offers forgiveness of this when one repents from doing that sin in question. So therefore we are all sinner/sinful, but through the blood of Jesus we are cleansed and made sinless. So therefore we are all sinner/sinful, but through the blood of Jesus we are cleansed and made sinless. There is the CONTRADICTION. First, "we are all sinners" Second. "through the blood of Jesus we are cleansed and made sinless." Therefore Jesus has to continue to "die for our sins" constantly (metaphorically) to remain sinless. And that is what Christians do. They "metaphorically" crucify Christ constantly so they don't have to pay for (or be responsible) for their own sins. I understand repentance. When a person repents, they sincerely realize their crime or sin and they sincerely change their ways on a very deep level. They become a new "sinless" person. They are changed, and they are new. At that point they can remain sinless. If (the church) insists that it is impossible to remain sinless after being cleansed of sin then they are assuming something they cannot possibly have any knowledge of. They do not know what is in a person's heart. So if I claim to be "sinless" you cannot tell me something like "everyone is a sinner." You do not know that. There is no contradiction there, just twisting of words. Yes, us, ourselves, are sinful. But through the blood of Jesus we are made pure and cleansed of this sin, thus making us sinless. And no Jesus wouldn't have to continue to die for our sins. Because we are to REPENT. So if we REPENT, he would have no other sins to die for, therefore he wouldn't have to die "again" John 8:11 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Notice "go, and sin no more". And that is made possibly through the fact of - 2 Corinthians 5:17 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Repent and sin no more, old things are passed away, behold a new creation. |
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Cowboy, you also stated: No one is sinless. How would you know this, or are you just parroting an idea programmed into your head over and over and over. First, to define sin as "disobedience of God" you have to define God. No one has ever done that to my satisfaction. Also, if Jesus washed a person sins away as so many Christian claim, then they are sinless right? If they are not, then how many times does Jesus have to die on the cross for their sins? The answer is every day. That is why many Churches build idols of a man nailed to a pole or cross displayed, and that is why churches constantly preach how Jesus died for our sins. If you accept Jesus, you sins are washed away they say. Therefore you are sinless are you not? Again, taking words out of context. Yes everyone has sinned, we are all sinners. But where one is sinful or sinless is where one's heart is and if they accepted Jesus as Lord and savior. All have been offered the gift of Jesus' blood that was shed on Calvery. It's not as simple as just saying you accept Jesus as Lord then continue on your same life style and think you could be sinless. One accepting Jesus as Lord will then follow his commandments. Yes, we will slip time to time and make mistakes sinning. God offers forgiveness of this when one repents from doing that sin in question. So therefore we are all sinner/sinful, but through the blood of Jesus we are cleansed and made sinless. So therefore we are all sinner/sinful, but through the blood of Jesus we are cleansed and made sinless. There is the CONTRADICTION. First, "we are all sinners" Second. "through the blood of Jesus we are cleansed and made sinless." Therefore Jesus has to continue to "die for our sins" constantly (metaphorically) to remain sinless. And that is what Christians do. They "metaphorically" crucify Christ constantly so they don't have to pay for (or be responsible) for their own sins. I understand repentance. When a person repents, they sincerely realize their crime or sin and they sincerely change their ways on a very deep level. They become a new "sinless" person. They are changed, and they are new. At that point they can remain sinless. If (the church) insists that it is impossible to remain sinless after being cleansed of sin then they are assuming something they cannot possibly have any knowledge of. They do not know what is in a person's heart. So if I claim to be "sinless" you cannot tell me something like "everyone is a sinner." You do not know that. There is no contradiction there, just twisting of words. Yes, us, ourselves, are sinful. But through the blood of Jesus we are made pure and cleansed of this sin, thus making us sinless. And no Jesus wouldn't have to continue to die for our sins. Because we are to REPENT. So if we REPENT, he would have no other sins to die for, therefore he wouldn't have to die "again" John 8:11 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Notice "go, and sin no more". And that is made possibly through the fact of - 2 Corinthians 5:17 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Repent and sin no more, old things are passed away, behold a new creation. Good. Then you prove my point. There are "sinless" people. These are the ones who have truly repented. |
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and followers of Christ were told that to spill blood of another man is not moral,,,,,unless one is sinless themself,, which none are,,,
which none are? How would you be in a position to make that statement? Or are you simply parroting an idea from a man written and alleged "god inspired" book? If I say I am sinless, who are you to know any different? And if I am sinless why would that give me the right to spill the blood of another? None of what you preach and parrot makes any real logical sense. well, people have different ideas of what is 'logical',,, Yes, illogical people think they are logical. Just like truly insane people have no clue how insane they are. I can read posts in these threads that prove my point about noone being sinless covetous, prideful,,etc,,, but,, again,, to each their own No. Noting proves your illogical point. and..You are AVOIDING MY QUESTION. How about answering it? Logically please. If I were sinless, why would that give me the right to spill someone's blood? Also, if Jesus washed you of all your sins, then you are sinless right? If you are not, then Jesus did not, or was unable to wash you of your sins. If you were washed of your sins, how long to you stay free from sin? One second? Until your next movement or thought or breath. Are you a sinner just for having a thought or taking a breath? noone said it would, and its irrelevant due to mankind not being sinless the argument is made to further explain the hypocrisy involved in such a behavior against another its like saying 'if you dont like being hit you shouldnt hit someone',,that doesnt mean the speaker condones those who DO like being hit to do it either,,, it just paints a picture to help the listener understand how they affect others,,,, JEsus didnt wash me of sin, Jesus paid the PRICE for sin,, there is a difference for those who ACCEPT/AKNOWLEDGE/RESPECT his sacrifice , the PRICE of sin is paid,,,,, this really does become like a bible study class, and I never purport to be a bible study teacher,,,,, the book is long and complex, the answers are difficult to receive just reviewing isolated texts,,,,, >>>>>"JEsus didnt wash me of sin, Jesus paid the PRICE for sin,, there is a difference" Sorry to hear that. I hear a different story from other Christians. Their sins were washed away. I'm surprised you have never heard that. not in reference to christ, in reference to baptism sometimes, it is a 'washing' away just like a shower washes away dirt,, but we can still get dirty again,,,,,,, If that were a good analogy, then people would get baptized every week. They don't. Even so, if their sins are 'washed away' then they are sinless at that point and now they apparently can righteously spill the blood of others. Acts 2:38 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. No, they wouldn't get baptized every week. One must for repent, THEN get baptized. And no they can't righteously spill the blood of others, for we are told JUDGE NOT. So for one to judge another, they would then be tainted by sin and would no longer be sinless till they repented and asked for forgiveness. So now you contradict yourself. You said previously that only the sinless can spill the blood of others. And why do you presume that a sinless person who spills the blood of another has made a judgement? You cannot know what is in anyone's mind or heart. You assume. Perhaps this sinless person is carrying out the wishes of the Almighty God. Please do inform us of this post that I said "only the sinless can spill the blood of others" It's not about spilling the blood of other's, why do you look at things in such a doom and gloom way? It's about a righteous judgement, a crime being punished. And no, if anyone kills another saying they did it in God's name, or saying he's carrying out the wishes of God, we would know him to be a liar. Because God has already told us what his wishes and desires are. And we are told not to kill/murder nor to judge another. So, no they would not be carrying out any wishes of God. |
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Cowboy, you also stated: No one is sinless. How would you know this, or are you just parroting an idea programmed into your head over and over and over. First, to define sin as "disobedience of God" you have to define God. No one has ever done that to my satisfaction. Also, if Jesus washed a person sins away as so many Christian claim, then they are sinless right? If they are not, then how many times does Jesus have to die on the cross for their sins? The answer is every day. That is why many Churches build idols of a man nailed to a pole or cross displayed, and that is why churches constantly preach how Jesus died for our sins. If you accept Jesus, you sins are washed away they say. Therefore you are sinless are you not? Again, taking words out of context. Yes everyone has sinned, we are all sinners. But where one is sinful or sinless is where one's heart is and if they accepted Jesus as Lord and savior. All have been offered the gift of Jesus' blood that was shed on Calvery. It's not as simple as just saying you accept Jesus as Lord then continue on your same life style and think you could be sinless. One accepting Jesus as Lord will then follow his commandments. Yes, we will slip time to time and make mistakes sinning. God offers forgiveness of this when one repents from doing that sin in question. So therefore we are all sinner/sinful, but through the blood of Jesus we are cleansed and made sinless. So therefore we are all sinner/sinful, but through the blood of Jesus we are cleansed and made sinless. There is the CONTRADICTION. First, "we are all sinners" Second. "through the blood of Jesus we are cleansed and made sinless." Therefore Jesus has to continue to "die for our sins" constantly (metaphorically) to remain sinless. And that is what Christians do. They "metaphorically" crucify Christ constantly so they don't have to pay for (or be responsible) for their own sins. I understand repentance. When a person repents, they sincerely realize their crime or sin and they sincerely change their ways on a very deep level. They become a new "sinless" person. They are changed, and they are new. At that point they can remain sinless. If (the church) insists that it is impossible to remain sinless after being cleansed of sin then they are assuming something they cannot possibly have any knowledge of. They do not know what is in a person's heart. So if I claim to be "sinless" you cannot tell me something like "everyone is a sinner." You do not know that. There is no contradiction there, just twisting of words. Yes, us, ourselves, are sinful. But through the blood of Jesus we are made pure and cleansed of this sin, thus making us sinless. And no Jesus wouldn't have to continue to die for our sins. Because we are to REPENT. So if we REPENT, he would have no other sins to die for, therefore he wouldn't have to die "again" John 8:11 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Notice "go, and sin no more". And that is made possibly through the fact of - 2 Corinthians 5:17 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Repent and sin no more, old things are passed away, behold a new creation. Good. Then you prove my point. There are "sinless" people. These are the ones who have truly repented. Yes, sinless through the blood of Jesus. Repent = to refrain from doing. Sin = disobedience to God. So yes if one "repents" of the "sins" they are now forgiven by God and made clean. |
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Cowboy, you also stated: No one is sinless. How would you know this, or are you just parroting an idea programmed into your head over and over and over. First, to define sin as "disobedience of God" you have to define God. No one has ever done that to my satisfaction. Also, if Jesus washed a person sins away as so many Christian claim, then they are sinless right? If they are not, then how many times does Jesus have to die on the cross for their sins? The answer is every day. That is why many Churches build idols of a man nailed to a pole or cross displayed, and that is why churches constantly preach how Jesus died for our sins. If you accept Jesus, you sins are washed away they say. Therefore you are sinless are you not? Again, taking words out of context. Yes everyone has sinned, we are all sinners. But where one is sinful or sinless is where one's heart is and if they accepted Jesus as Lord and savior. All have been offered the gift of Jesus' blood that was shed on Calvery. It's not as simple as just saying you accept Jesus as Lord then continue on your same life style and think you could be sinless. One accepting Jesus as Lord will then follow his commandments. Yes, we will slip time to time and make mistakes sinning. God offers forgiveness of this when one repents from doing that sin in question. So therefore we are all sinner/sinful, but through the blood of Jesus we are cleansed and made sinless. So therefore we are all sinner/sinful, but through the blood of Jesus we are cleansed and made sinless. There is the CONTRADICTION. First, "we are all sinners" Second. "through the blood of Jesus we are cleansed and made sinless." Therefore Jesus has to continue to "die for our sins" constantly (metaphorically) to remain sinless. And that is what Christians do. They "metaphorically" crucify Christ constantly so they don't have to pay for (or be responsible) for their own sins. I understand repentance. When a person repents, they sincerely realize their crime or sin and they sincerely change their ways on a very deep level. They become a new "sinless" person. They are changed, and they are new. At that point they can remain sinless. If (the church) insists that it is impossible to remain sinless after being cleansed of sin then they are assuming something they cannot possibly have any knowledge of. They do not know what is in a person's heart. So if I claim to be "sinless" you cannot tell me something like "everyone is a sinner." You do not know that. There is no contradiction there, just twisting of words. Yes, us, ourselves, are sinful. But through the blood of Jesus we are made pure and cleansed of this sin, thus making us sinless. And no Jesus wouldn't have to continue to die for our sins. Because we are to REPENT. So if we REPENT, he would have no other sins to die for, therefore he wouldn't have to die "again" John 8:11 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Notice "go, and sin no more". And that is made possibly through the fact of - 2 Corinthians 5:17 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Repent and sin no more, old things are passed away, behold a new creation. Good. Then you prove my point. There are "sinless" people. These are the ones who have truly repented. Yes, sinless through the blood of Jesus. Repent = to refrain from doing. Sin = disobedience to God. So yes if one "repents" of the "sins" they are now forgiven by God and made clean. I agree with the idea but not the symbolism of human sacrifice or blood etc. |
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For me, "disobedience of God" means anything that is contrary to life and existence.
Conscious or subconscious Destructive behavior towards self or others. Conscious or subconscious Destructive thoughts and actions towards self and others. Conscious or subconscious Destructive emotions of hatred, jealousy, envy, etc. Anything that is contrary to the creator which is the intelligent creative force of the universe. |
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MSHARMONY: HERE IS THE POST YOU WANTED ME TO SHOW YOU:
and followers of Christ were told that to spill blood of another man is not moral,,,,,unless one is sinless themself,, which none are,,,
which none are? How would you be in a position to make that statement? Or are you simply parroting an idea from a man written and alleged "god inspired" book? If I say I am sinless, who are you to know any different? And if I am sinless why would that give me the right to spill the blood of another? None of what you preach and parrot makes any real logical sense. |
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Please do inform us of this post that I said "only the sinless can spill the blood of others"
It's not about spilling the blood of other's, why do you look at things in such a doom and gloom way? It's about a righteous judgement, a crime being punished. And no, if anyone kills another saying they did it in God's name, or saying he's carrying out the wishes of God, we would know him to be a liar. Because God has already told us what his wishes and desires are. And we are told not to kill/murder nor to judge another. So, no they would not be carrying out any wishes of God. How would you know they were not carrying out the wishes of God? I understand that you would NOT BELIEVE THEM and that you would assume they are insane or liars, but if you believe in God and if you believe that he told Joshua to slaughter thousands of people, why would not not still believe it could happen today? It's not about spilling the blood of other's, why do you look at things in such a doom and gloom way? It's about a righteous judgement, a crime being punished.
YOU are the one who brought up the subject of "spilling the blood of others." Don't you remember your own arguments? "and followers of Christ were told that to spill blood of another man is not moral,,,,,unless one is sinless themself,, which none are,,," You can recognize this as YOUR post because of all the commas,,,,, |
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"and followers of Christ were told that to spill blood of another man is not moral,,,,,unless one is sinless themself,, which none are,,,"
Lets discuss the above claim. "and the followers of Christ were told..." (shall I assume they were told by Jesus or by some Missionary spreading the word?) "..that to spill blood of another man is not moral,,,,unless one is sinless themself..." (so a sinless man CAN SPILL THE BLOOD OF ANOTHER MAN and it would be perfectly moral?) "...which none are..." So this last little tidbit negates the "unless" in the above statement. Q: Why make the statement if NONE ARE SINLESS? Q: If repentance and baptism washes away all your sins, then are you not then "sinless?" If so, then for how long are you "sinless." Can you then "sin no more?" If you can, then why do Christians INSIST that EVERYONE is a sinner? What if someone decided to "sin no more?" Have a little faith that it is possible to be sinless. |
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Please do inform us of this post that I said "only the sinless can spill the blood of others"
It's not about spilling the blood of other's, why do you look at things in such a doom and gloom way? It's about a righteous judgement, a crime being punished. And no, if anyone kills another saying they did it in God's name, or saying he's carrying out the wishes of God, we would know him to be a liar. Because God has already told us what his wishes and desires are. And we are told not to kill/murder nor to judge another. So, no they would not be carrying out any wishes of God. How would you know they were not carrying out the wishes of God? I understand that you would NOT BELIEVE THEM and that you would assume they are insane or liars, but if you believe in God and if you believe that he told Joshua to slaughter thousands of people, why would not not still believe it could happen today? It's not about spilling the blood of other's, why do you look at things in such a doom and gloom way? It's about a righteous judgement, a crime being punished.
YOU are the one who brought up the subject of "spilling the blood of others." Don't you remember your own arguments? "and followers of Christ were told that to spill blood of another man is not moral,,,,,unless one is sinless themself,, which none are,,," You can recognize this as YOUR post because of all the commas,,,,, How would you know they were not carrying out the wishes of God? I understand that you would NOT BELIEVE THEM and that you would assume they are insane or liars, but if you believe in God and if you believe that he told Joshua to slaughter thousands of people, why would not not still believe it could happen today? Again, two different covenants. That wouldn't happen today, because today in the world we live in, the covenant we live under today is not the same as it was then. Two different covenants, two different sets of instructions. YOU are the one who brought up the subject of "spilling the blood of others." Don't you remember your own arguments? "and followers of Christ were told that to spill blood of another man is not moral,,,,,unless one is sinless themself,, which none are,,," You can recognize this as YOUR post because of all the commas,,,,, Because of all the commas? lol, I don't use a bunch of comas. And if this was my statement, share what time that post was made, so we can clearly see it was mine and that is exactly what it said/how it was said. |
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"and followers of Christ were told that to spill blood of another man is not moral,,,,,unless one is sinless themself,, which none are,,,"
Lets discuss the above claim. "and the followers of Christ were told..." (shall I assume they were told by Jesus or by some Missionary spreading the word?) "..that to spill blood of another man is not moral,,,,unless one is sinless themself..." (so a sinless man CAN SPILL THE BLOOD OF ANOTHER MAN and it would be perfectly moral?) "...which none are..." So this last little tidbit negates the "unless" in the above statement. Q: Why make the statement if NONE ARE SINLESS? Q: If repentance and baptism washes away all your sins, then are you not then "sinless?" If so, then for how long are you "sinless." Can you then "sin no more?" If you can, then why do Christians INSIST that EVERYONE is a sinner? What if someone decided to "sin no more?" Have a little faith that it is possible to be sinless. Why make the statement if NONE ARE SINLESS? Because we, ourselves are not sinless. We only become "sinless" through the blood of Christ and repenting of those actions we did before through the strength and guiding hand of God. If repentance and baptism washes away all your sins, then are you not then "sinless?" Yes, through God. Not on our own or our own doing, but through the power of God we have been remade and no longer follow in our sinful steps we once did. What if someone decided to "sin no more?" They would be listening to exactly what God said to do lol. John 8:11 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. |
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Cowboy, you also stated: No one is sinless. How would you know this, or are you just parroting an idea programmed into your head over and over and over. First, to define sin as "disobedience of God" you have to define God. No one has ever done that to my satisfaction. Also, if Jesus washed a person sins away as so many Christian claim, then they are sinless right? If they are not, then how many times does Jesus have to die on the cross for their sins? The answer is every day. That is why many Churches build idols of a man nailed to a pole or cross displayed, and that is why churches constantly preach how Jesus died for our sins. If you accept Jesus, you sins are washed away they say. Therefore you are sinless are you not? Again, taking words out of context. Yes everyone has sinned, we are all sinners. But where one is sinful or sinless is where one's heart is and if they accepted Jesus as Lord and savior. All have been offered the gift of Jesus' blood that was shed on Calvery. It's not as simple as just saying you accept Jesus as Lord then continue on your same life style and think you could be sinless. One accepting Jesus as Lord will then follow his commandments. Yes, we will slip time to time and make mistakes sinning. God offers forgiveness of this when one repents from doing that sin in question. So therefore we are all sinner/sinful, but through the blood of Jesus we are cleansed and made sinless. So therefore we are all sinner/sinful, but through the blood of Jesus we are cleansed and made sinless. There is the CONTRADICTION. First, "we are all sinners" Second. "through the blood of Jesus we are cleansed and made sinless." Therefore Jesus has to continue to "die for our sins" constantly (metaphorically) to remain sinless. And that is what Christians do. They "metaphorically" crucify Christ constantly so they don't have to pay for (or be responsible) for their own sins. I understand repentance. When a person repents, they sincerely realize their crime or sin and they sincerely change their ways on a very deep level. They become a new "sinless" person. They are changed, and they are new. At that point they can remain sinless. If (the church) insists that it is impossible to remain sinless after being cleansed of sin then they are assuming something they cannot possibly have any knowledge of. They do not know what is in a person's heart. So if I claim to be "sinless" you cannot tell me something like "everyone is a sinner." You do not know that. There is no contradiction there, just twisting of words. Yes, us, ourselves, are sinful. But through the blood of Jesus we are made pure and cleansed of this sin, thus making us sinless. And no Jesus wouldn't have to continue to die for our sins. Because we are to REPENT. So if we REPENT, he would have no other sins to die for, therefore he wouldn't have to die "again" John 8:11 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Notice "go, and sin no more". And that is made possibly through the fact of - 2 Corinthians 5:17 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Repent and sin no more, old things are passed away, behold a new creation. Good. Then you prove my point. There are "sinless" people. These are the ones who have truly repented. Yes, sinless through the blood of Jesus. Repent = to refrain from doing. Sin = disobedience to God. So yes if one "repents" of the "sins" they are now forgiven by God and made clean. I agree with the idea but not the symbolism of human sacrifice or blood etc. Symbolism of human or blood sacrifice? What symbolism? The only reward for sin is death.... That is not symbolism, that is exactly what it says. Jesus came and died for us on the cross, spent time in hell for us, and resurrected defeating death for us all. Nothing of that is symbolism lol. And it's not the human or blood sacrifice(s) that is the focal point there. Human sacrifices were and are NEVER condoned by God. Jesus was not a "human", nor was he a "sacrifice". Sacrifices are no longer required, only obedience to God. That is why we are now saved by faith rather then physical action. The sacrifices from the old covenant were important, because they were just that, sacrifices. You couldn't go down to the local wallmart and buy a pack of hamburger. In that form of life style, meat was an important thing for the protein since all work was done by hand and no machines, the physical strength was important. And strength comes from one's muscles, and one's muscles can't rebuild/get stronger without the protein. Therefore why it was a "sacrifice" to give a burnt offering of their biggest, say bull. It was just that, a sacrifice, giving up something important to show that you are truly sorry. |
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"Symbolism of human or blood sacrifice? What symbolism?"
Umm, you sure you're religious? Ya'know that cross with the jesus fellow nailed to it, ya, nailed, blood and stuff, he wasn't stuck up there with silly putty. |
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"as I said,, I know how God reveals himself to me,, I cant reveal him to you,,,,,"
So you have met god then, he "revealed himself" to you, you've seen him in the flesh, what does he look like? "the book is long and complex, the answers are difficult to receive just reviewing isolated texts,,,,," You're right, it is; so why is it that religious people insist they know exactly what they're talking about when all they know of is one man's interpretation of an age old book written by another man. There's an ancient Chinese proverb that states "if a butterfly flaps it's wings on one side of the planet, it will cause a tidal wave on the other" Much the same can be said when speaking about time, metaphorically speaking: over 2000+ years ago a butterfly flapped it's wings and now a large percentage of the population on this planet believes in a whole mess of different religions. The quicker(and more modern) version of that would be john sends suzy a text claiming that roxane is a slut, suzy sends the same text to joe(but in her own words) next thing you know the entire school thinks that roxane is a slut and it must be true as it's on everyone's phone in text form and that many people can't possibly be wrong, nobody has seen it but it must be true. |
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That's right "Ladies and Gentlemen" they are back The Deity Team featuring MC"I AM"...MC Trinity God...and DJ Allah with their #1 creation song
 POOF,there it is
There will be a special fathers day appearance by Jesus Christ for his trinity dad he'll be doing Crossroads by Bone Thugs n Harmony. |
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God exist becah he jus does. Simple. If u don't believe that now, the day shall come 4 when u will
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Please do inform us of this post that I said "only the sinless can spill the blood of others"
It's not about spilling the blood of other's, why do you look at things in such a doom and gloom way? It's about a righteous judgement, a crime being punished. And no, if anyone kills another saying they did it in God's name, or saying he's carrying out the wishes of God, we would know him to be a liar. Because God has already told us what his wishes and desires are. And we are told not to kill/murder nor to judge another. So, no they would not be carrying out any wishes of God. How would you know they were not carrying out the wishes of God? I understand that you would NOT BELIEVE THEM and that you would assume they are insane or liars, but if you believe in God and if you believe that he told Joshua to slaughter thousands of people, why would not not still believe it could happen today? It's not about spilling the blood of other's, why do you look at things in such a doom and gloom way? It's about a righteous judgement, a crime being punished.
YOU are the one who brought up the subject of "spilling the blood of others." Don't you remember your own arguments? "and followers of Christ were told that to spill blood of another man is not moral,,,,,unless one is sinless themself,, which none are,,," You can recognize this as YOUR post because of all the commas,,,,, How would you know they were not carrying out the wishes of God? I understand that you would NOT BELIEVE THEM and that you would assume they are insane or liars, but if you believe in God and if you believe that he told Joshua to slaughter thousands of people, why would not not still believe it could happen today? Again, two different covenants. That wouldn't happen today, because today in the world we live in, the covenant we live under today is not the same as it was then. Two different covenants, two different sets of instructions. YOU are the one who brought up the subject of "spilling the blood of others." Don't you remember your own arguments? "and followers of Christ were told that to spill blood of another man is not moral,,,,,unless one is sinless themself,, which none are,,," You can recognize this as YOUR post because of all the commas,,,,, Because of all the commas? lol, I don't use a bunch of comas. And if this was my statement, share what time that post was made, so we can clearly see it was mine and that is exactly what it said/how it was said. To Cowboy: I was talking to Msharmony. She uses multiple commas. She brought up shedding the blood of others. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 06/16/13 05:11 PM
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I agree with the idea but not the symbolism of human sacrifice or blood etc. Cowboy said: Symbolism of human or blood sacrifice? What symbolism? A: The story that Jesus died on the cross for our sins is symbolism. (I doubt that it is true but they did slaughter a lot of people that way in those days) According to Christian belief, he was sacrificed to pay for the sins of humanity. That is a sacrifice. Because of his "sacrifice" most religions no longer (some still do) sacrifice animals for the gods. Cowboy said: "The only reward for sin is death.... That is not symbolism, that is exactly what it says."
That simply means that all humans are going to grow old and die. Everyone already knows that. --and Jesus dying on the cross did not change that. Cowboy said:
Jesus came and died for us on the cross, spent time in hell for us, and resurrected defeating death for us all. Nothing of that is symbolism lol. And it's not the human or blood sacrifice(s) that is the focal point there. Human sacrifices were and are NEVER condoned by God. Jesus was not a "human", nor was he a "sacrifice". Sacrifices are no longer required, only obedience to God. That is why we are now saved by faith rather then physical action. If Jesus is "not human" then perhaps he is an Alien? If he is a god, then his death on the cross means nothing. --It is just a show or a grand performance. ... if it even happened at all. Cowboy said: "Human sacrifices were and are NEVER condoned by God." I never said that sacrifices were condoned by God. But Christians claim that God sent his son to come here and die on the cross, (as a human) therefore, Christians do claim that human sacrifices are indeed condoned by God! Jesus was not human? Is that what you really believe? |
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"and followers of Christ were told that to spill blood of another man is not moral,,,,,unless one is sinless themself,, which none are,,,"
Lets discuss the above claim. "and the followers of Christ were told..." (shall I assume they were told by Jesus or by some Missionary spreading the word?) "..that to spill blood of another man is not moral,,,,unless one is sinless themself..." (so a sinless man CAN SPILL THE BLOOD OF ANOTHER MAN and it would be perfectly moral?) "...which none are..." So this last little tidbit negates the "unless" in the above statement. Q: Why make the statement if NONE ARE SINLESS? Q: If repentance and baptism washes away all your sins, then are you not then "sinless?" If so, then for how long are you "sinless." Can you then "sin no more?" If you can, then why do Christians INSIST that EVERYONE is a sinner? What if someone decided to "sin no more?" Have a little faith that it is possible to be sinless. forgive my paraphrase, I forgot how everything here gets picked apart,, in any case,, EVEN WITHOUT SIN, it is not our place to spill blood of ohers because of their sin,,, john 8:7,,,is a specific instance of Jesus speaking to answer the question about the (human) law to stone an adulteress Jesus, by his behavior and his sermons was not supportive of killing state of sin is like state of alcholism,, we can have periods where we dont sin, and alcoholics can go through periods of not drinkink, but it doesnt make us SINLESS in our nature,, nor does it make the alcholic cured of their alcoholism,,,, |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 06/16/13 05:36 PM
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forgive my paraphrase, I forgot how everything here gets picked apart,,
So many things Christians say are not truly thought out. They need to be "picked apart" simply because they are vague and ambiguous and often very illogical or meaningless. in any case,, EVEN WITHOUT SIN, it is not our place to spill blood of ohers because of their sin,,, So you are taking back your previous statement? john 8:7,,,is a specific instance of Jesus speaking to answer the question about the (human) law to stone an adulteress Jesus, by his behavior and his sermons was not supportive of killing state of sin is like state of alcholism,, we can have periods where we dont sin, and alcoholics can go through periods of not drinkink, but it doesnt make us SINLESS in our nature,, nor does it make the alcholic cured of their alcoholism,,,, Oh of course. If people could call themselves cured of their alcholism, then AA would cease to exist. We wouldn't want that. If people could be cured of disease, a lot of doctors would be out of work, and a lot of drug companies would go belly up. If people could be "sinless" there would be no need for religions. By all means, carry on! Let the world carry on with disease, sin, and addiction. Its good for business.!!
Get back to sinning people! 
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