Heterosexuals been getting AIDS in Africa for Ages,and NOT through Bloodtransfusions either!
I really wonder where you are getting this crappy Info from!
Your Info is just plain wrong!
Educate yourself,instead of relying on what the Preacher tells you!

You really think this abrasive attitude will gain Christianity any new Disciples?
And you wonder why your Churches are getting emptier every year!

There are plenty of immoral Christians out there. Just take a look at pedophile priests (rape, molestation), scamming televangelists who milk little old ladies out of their last dollar (theft), Fred Phelps (who is both a hatemonger and a scammer), or any of a number of other folks. I've personally seen Christians lie, cheat and steal. The papers and the airwaves are full of evidence that they also practice tax evasion, voter fraud, pedophilia, theft, perjury and murder.

So obviously, being a Christian is NO guarantee that a person lives a moral life or is trustworthy.

Now, there are surely atheists who do all of the same things listed above, but there are also plenty of them who live exemplary moral lives. I know this because I know quite a few personally. Same with people of faiths other than Christianity. Religious identity guarantees nothing about a person's morals; the proof is in the pudding. Want to know whether someone lives an upright life? Watch them, because that's the only way you'll know. What religion they identify with tells you nothing reliable.

not exactly

from http://aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/prevention/reduce-your-risk/sexual-risk-factors/

Receptive Vaginal Sex (Risks For Women)

•During vaginal sex, HIV is transmitted from men to women much more easily than from women to men


Receptive Anal Sex (Bottoming)

•The odds of getting HIV from "bottoming" without a condom are higher than any other sexual behavior.



the women has a greater risk of catching HIV during hetero sex than the male does,,,,



The person on the 'bottom' of anal sex has the highest chance of contacting aids,, thats actually true

it doesnt matter what the genders are,, but of course MSM sex is most likely to involve anal sex of such a nature,,,



HIV is a real risk of sex, period,,like rape is a real risk in life

but,, just like rape

there are some situations that greatly increase the risks,,,,its not malarkey at all,,

,,but why hasnt someone gone on and started another hiv thread,,,?

The Malarkey is in the slant and Spin the Guy gives it!
No one disputes the Fact of Risk from HIV in Sexual Relations,and yes,Women are more at risk than Men!
Besides,in Africa it is a heterosexual Disease!
What I take most exception to is how he implies that it is Gods Wrath and Judgment upon the Gay Community!
Looks like the Westboro Baptist Church has established a Branch Down Under!

Heterosexuals been getting AIDS in Africa for Ages,and NOT through Bloodtransfusions either!
I really wonder where you are getting this crappy Info from!
Your Info is just plain wrong!
Educate yourself,instead of relying on what the Preacher tells you!

You really think this abrasive attitude will gain Christianity any new Disciples?
And you wonder why your Churches are getting emptier every year!
for Down Under!

I dont believe Africa can be used as an example of 'heterosexuality' as we cant prove of disprove what sexual activiities are going on throughout that continent

in AMerica though, people opleny embrace and display their sexual 'preference' and the virus did begin in that community

I believe stds, in some part, are a consequence of SEXUAL sin period,,, I dont rejoice in anyones death like that church does though,,,and hopefully william doesnt either

the sexually amoral (most of us at some point in life ), are sinful, so are liars, thieves, adulterors, the covetous,,etc,,,,,

and all sin has the consequences not only against the individual but , eventually against the cultures which embrace them

,,just my opinion though,,,,,,

If a pregnant woman is not treated with the proper antiretroviral drugs, there is a 20-45 percent chance that her infant will contract the virus from her during pregnancy, childbirth, or breastfeeding. Because 59 percent of HIV-positive people in Africa are women, the vast majority of children diagnosed with HIV have had the virus passed from their mothers.

http://www.dosomething.org/actnow/tipsandtools/11-facts-about-hiv-africa

http://www.avert.org/africa-hiv-aids-statistics.htm

It's a fact that more cases of HIV in Africa occur through heterosexual contact, although obviously both heterosexual and homosexual acts occur there just as anywhere.

It's also a fact that HIV can be spread through both heterosexual and homosexual activity, anywhere on the globe.

HIV didn't originate in humans at all, but within other primate species. That's also a fact.

While it spread more quickly within the gay community, the fact is that EVERYONE is at risk, gay or straight.

One more fact: I don't believe in "sexual sin". I don't believe that being gay or bisexual is any more "sinful" than being straight, because I don't think sex is a sin. Sex is sex, period, full stop.

Babies are born with all kinds of diseases, born into hunger and poverty, born into abusive families and unhealthy environments, oppressive cultures, etc. That anyone would focus solely on ONE thing and rail about it is disgusting.

IM not sure of the 'facts' above

heterosexuls can have sex with homosexuals(bisexuals in practice)

there are different ways statistics are gathered, for example

NEWLY infected vs living with the disease
(for example, more heteros are living with the disease here too,,,but most of the NEWLY infected are homosexual)

its true about siv being thought to have lead to hiv in AFRICA< as we know blood can cause spread of disease, and in some African cultures consuming simian blood was a staple of the diet

really dont care to get into HIV in Africa, but in AMERICA where the culture does not CONSUME simians as part of the diet,,, what william has stated is not untrue,,,

everything STARTS somewhere,, first from consuming what should not be consumed (simian blood) and then by engaging in amoral sex,, we have seen the spread of the consequence from those culturally accepted sins,,,

jmho




and the nature of a thread is that people pick a topic and speak about it,,

They're all facts.


And some people really are bisexual, having no strong preference for either gender.


That only changes the numbers, not the factuality.


Where do you get that idea? Everyone who is infected was at some point NEWLY infected (unless they were born infected), and that's true regardless of sexuality. For that matter, it's possible to become infected with HIV in non-sexual ways as well, like blood transfusions.


Exactly.


Well, yes, it IS untrue, because he's saying that heterosexuals don't get HIV, and that's untrue.


Why would you say "should not be consumed"? If it's traditionally part of the diet there, then it's part of the diet. While blood (simian or otherwise) is not traditionally part of the American diet, things are different in other places.


You're certainly entitled to your opinion on the status of sin, but be aware that there are other faiths with different teachings on sexual morality, and those religions are just as legitimate on any human level as yours.



I was talking about how it's ridiculous to ignore the fact that far more infants are born into a whole host of other horrible conditions and focus only on HIV as a means to further one's tirade against homosexuality.

Well, yes, it IS untrue, because he's saying that heterosexuals don't get HIV, and that's untrue.

,,,never saw anything like that posted here,,,


Where do you get that idea? Everyone who is infected was at some point NEWLY infected (unless they were born infected), and that's true regardless of sexuality. For that matter, it's possible to become infected with HIV in non-sexual ways as well, like blood transfusions.


of course everyone living with hiv was newly infected, but not everyone who became infected continued to LIVE

thats why referencing NEW infections is different from just referencing those who are LIVING With the infection,,,



as to the rest,,, everyone is definitely entitled to their own opinions and life views about morality,,,,as well as their own interpretations of how and why certain things have developed

Can you prove to us that no christians have aids, do/sell drugs, drink alcohol and so on?

actually,you could ingest cooked Simian Blood,its the contact with it while hunting those Monkeys!
yep,especially thsat when they pick that Topic,they employ the Argument from Intimidation!
If you don't believe as I do,you will burn in Hell forever,or whatever the current Favorite Threat of the Religionists is at the moment!
OP employs similar tactics as the Westboro-Crowd does!

Willst Du Nicht Mein Bruder Sein,dann Schlag' Ich Dir Den Schaedel Ein!(If you
refuse to be my brother, I'll crack your skull).

I dont personally think its about 'belief' strictly,, because 'belief' is only as strong as the action that backs it up

I can 'beieve' I am heterosexual, but if I enjoy sex with the same gender,, I am at the very least a bisexaul....


the nature of the bible, to me, is about the guideline of warnings against the consequences the CREATOR warns us against based upon certain actions which lead to them


its how we live, not what we 'believe' that invites the consequences of sinful BEHAVIORS


again,, my personal opinion/spritual truth

At this point in the conversation I can't tell if the OP is just a fool or a troll. I'm really second guessing here. How can someone spout off such nonsense and still be serious about it?

He talks about it probably because he does not truly believe what he is saying. If he is right, then why do so many people disagree with him? He has doubts.