Topic: A critique of atheism
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Tue 06/25/13 05:46 PM





Square roots? Scientists say plants are good at math

http://au.news.yahoo.com/odd/a/-/odd/17715306/square-roots-scientists-say-plants-are-good-at-math/

LONDON (Reuters) - Plants do complex arithmetic calculations to make sure they have enough food to get them through the night, new research published in journal eLife shows.
Scientists at Britain's John Innes Centre said plants adjust their rate of starch consumption to prevent starvation during the night when they are unable to feed themselves with energy from the sun.
They can even compensate for an unexpected early night.
"This is the first concrete example in a fundamental biological process of such a sophisticated arithmetic calculation," mathematical modeler Martin Howard of John Innes Centre (JIC) said.
During the night, mechanisms inside the leaf measure the size of the starch store and estimate the length of time until dawn. Information about time comes from an internal clock, similar to the human body clock.
"The capacity to perform arithmetic calculation is vital for plant growth and productivity," JIC metabolic biologist Alison Smith said.
"Understanding how plants continue to grow in the dark could help unlock new ways to boost crop yield."
(Reporting by Nigel Hunt; editing by Keiron Henderson)


Here is just one example of in your face evidence of the existence of God.

How can a plant evolve complex addition skills that are essential to its survival?

NOT CONCIDERING A THOUSAND OTHER PROBLEMS WITH EVOLUTIONARY BOGWASH, HOW COULD THE PLANT SURVIVE SO LONG WITHOUT THIS ESSENTIAL ABILITY TO SURVIVE?

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

The evidence for God is overwhelming and the evidence for the fact that atheist's are fools as the Bible says.


the fools are the people that blindly follow a imaginary god, then pass judgement on those they feel are beneath them...

your doing all this judging, why don't you say what your bible says about judging people?




again, judging behavior is different than judging PEOPLE,,,



You can have all the opinions about behavior that you want. But when you judge behavior and preach about "sin" you are usually pointing at a particular person.





no, I am not,,,I am referring to the behavior,,,,which I would consider 'sin' regardless of the who...


Then the charge that everyone is a sinner is baseless unless you can point out bad behavior in every individual you know or meet.


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Tue 06/25/13 05:52 PM






Square roots? Scientists say plants are good at math

http://au.news.yahoo.com/odd/a/-/odd/17715306/square-roots-scientists-say-plants-are-good-at-math/

LONDON (Reuters) - Plants do complex arithmetic calculations to make sure they have enough food to get them through the night, new research published in journal eLife shows.
Scientists at Britain's John Innes Centre said plants adjust their rate of starch consumption to prevent starvation during the night when they are unable to feed themselves with energy from the sun.
They can even compensate for an unexpected early night.
"This is the first concrete example in a fundamental biological process of such a sophisticated arithmetic calculation," mathematical modeler Martin Howard of John Innes Centre (JIC) said.
During the night, mechanisms inside the leaf measure the size of the starch store and estimate the length of time until dawn. Information about time comes from an internal clock, similar to the human body clock.
"The capacity to perform arithmetic calculation is vital for plant growth and productivity," JIC metabolic biologist Alison Smith said.
"Understanding how plants continue to grow in the dark could help unlock new ways to boost crop yield."
(Reporting by Nigel Hunt; editing by Keiron Henderson)


Here is just one example of in your face evidence of the existence of God.

How can a plant evolve complex addition skills that are essential to its survival?

NOT CONCIDERING A THOUSAND OTHER PROBLEMS WITH EVOLUTIONARY BOGWASH, HOW COULD THE PLANT SURVIVE SO LONG WITHOUT THIS ESSENTIAL ABILITY TO SURVIVE?

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

The evidence for God is overwhelming and the evidence for the fact that atheist's are fools as the Bible says.


the fools are the people that blindly follow a imaginary god, then pass judgement on those they feel are beneath them...

your doing all this judging, why don't you say what your bible says about judging people?




again, judging behavior is different than judging PEOPLE,,,



You can have all the opinions about behavior that you want. But when you judge behavior and preach about "sin" you are usually pointing at a particular person.





no, I am not,,,I am referring to the behavior,,,,which I would consider 'sin' regardless of the who...


Then the charge that everyone is a sinner is baseless unless you can point out bad behavior in every individual you know or meet.




I can, particularly if they have lived any formidable years on this earth

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Tue 06/25/13 05:59 PM







Square roots? Scientists say plants are good at math

http://au.news.yahoo.com/odd/a/-/odd/17715306/square-roots-scientists-say-plants-are-good-at-math/

LONDON (Reuters) - Plants do complex arithmetic calculations to make sure they have enough food to get them through the night, new research published in journal eLife shows.
Scientists at Britain's John Innes Centre said plants adjust their rate of starch consumption to prevent starvation during the night when they are unable to feed themselves with energy from the sun.
They can even compensate for an unexpected early night.
"This is the first concrete example in a fundamental biological process of such a sophisticated arithmetic calculation," mathematical modeler Martin Howard of John Innes Centre (JIC) said.
During the night, mechanisms inside the leaf measure the size of the starch store and estimate the length of time until dawn. Information about time comes from an internal clock, similar to the human body clock.
"The capacity to perform arithmetic calculation is vital for plant growth and productivity," JIC metabolic biologist Alison Smith said.
"Understanding how plants continue to grow in the dark could help unlock new ways to boost crop yield."
(Reporting by Nigel Hunt; editing by Keiron Henderson)


Here is just one example of in your face evidence of the existence of God.

How can a plant evolve complex addition skills that are essential to its survival?

NOT CONCIDERING A THOUSAND OTHER PROBLEMS WITH EVOLUTIONARY BOGWASH, HOW COULD THE PLANT SURVIVE SO LONG WITHOUT THIS ESSENTIAL ABILITY TO SURVIVE?

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

The evidence for God is overwhelming and the evidence for the fact that atheist's are fools as the Bible says.


the fools are the people that blindly follow a imaginary god, then pass judgement on those they feel are beneath them...

your doing all this judging, why don't you say what your bible says about judging people?




again, judging behavior is different than judging PEOPLE,,,



You can have all the opinions about behavior that you want. But when you judge behavior and preach about "sin" you are usually pointing at a particular person.





no, I am not,,,I am referring to the behavior,,,,which I would consider 'sin' regardless of the who...


Then the charge that everyone is a sinner is baseless unless you can point out bad behavior in every individual you know or meet.




I can, particularly if they have lived any formidable years on this earth


Judge not, lest you be judged

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Tue 06/25/13 06:04 PM







Square roots? Scientists say plants are good at math

http://au.news.yahoo.com/odd/a/-/odd/17715306/square-roots-scientists-say-plants-are-good-at-math/

LONDON (Reuters) - Plants do complex arithmetic calculations to make sure they have enough food to get them through the night, new research published in journal eLife shows.
Scientists at Britain's John Innes Centre said plants adjust their rate of starch consumption to prevent starvation during the night when they are unable to feed themselves with energy from the sun.
They can even compensate for an unexpected early night.
"This is the first concrete example in a fundamental biological process of such a sophisticated arithmetic calculation," mathematical modeler Martin Howard of John Innes Centre (JIC) said.
During the night, mechanisms inside the leaf measure the size of the starch store and estimate the length of time until dawn. Information about time comes from an internal clock, similar to the human body clock.
"The capacity to perform arithmetic calculation is vital for plant growth and productivity," JIC metabolic biologist Alison Smith said.
"Understanding how plants continue to grow in the dark could help unlock new ways to boost crop yield."
(Reporting by Nigel Hunt; editing by Keiron Henderson)


Here is just one example of in your face evidence of the existence of God.

How can a plant evolve complex addition skills that are essential to its survival?

NOT CONCIDERING A THOUSAND OTHER PROBLEMS WITH EVOLUTIONARY BOGWASH, HOW COULD THE PLANT SURVIVE SO LONG WITHOUT THIS ESSENTIAL ABILITY TO SURVIVE?

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

The evidence for God is overwhelming and the evidence for the fact that atheist's are fools as the Bible says.


the fools are the people that blindly follow a imaginary god, then pass judgement on those they feel are beneath them...

your doing all this judging, why don't you say what your bible says about judging people?




again, judging behavior is different than judging PEOPLE,,,



You can have all the opinions about behavior that you want. But when you judge behavior and preach about "sin" you are usually pointing at a particular person.





no, I am not,,,I am referring to the behavior,,,,which I would consider 'sin' regardless of the who...


Then the charge that everyone is a sinner is baseless unless you can point out bad behavior in every individual you know or meet.




I can, particularly if they have lived any formidable years on this earth



The charge that "everyone is a sinner" IS BASELESS.

If you want to spend your time pointing out the faults and sins and behaviors of others you are neglecting your own personal spiritual growth.

Worry about your own behavior.



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Tue 06/25/13 06:08 PM








Square roots? Scientists say plants are good at math

http://au.news.yahoo.com/odd/a/-/odd/17715306/square-roots-scientists-say-plants-are-good-at-math/

LONDON (Reuters) - Plants do complex arithmetic calculations to make sure they have enough food to get them through the night, new research published in journal eLife shows.
Scientists at Britain's John Innes Centre said plants adjust their rate of starch consumption to prevent starvation during the night when they are unable to feed themselves with energy from the sun.
They can even compensate for an unexpected early night.
"This is the first concrete example in a fundamental biological process of such a sophisticated arithmetic calculation," mathematical modeler Martin Howard of John Innes Centre (JIC) said.
During the night, mechanisms inside the leaf measure the size of the starch store and estimate the length of time until dawn. Information about time comes from an internal clock, similar to the human body clock.
"The capacity to perform arithmetic calculation is vital for plant growth and productivity," JIC metabolic biologist Alison Smith said.
"Understanding how plants continue to grow in the dark could help unlock new ways to boost crop yield."
(Reporting by Nigel Hunt; editing by Keiron Henderson)


Here is just one example of in your face evidence of the existence of God.

How can a plant evolve complex addition skills that are essential to its survival?

NOT CONCIDERING A THOUSAND OTHER PROBLEMS WITH EVOLUTIONARY BOGWASH, HOW COULD THE PLANT SURVIVE SO LONG WITHOUT THIS ESSENTIAL ABILITY TO SURVIVE?

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

The evidence for God is overwhelming and the evidence for the fact that atheist's are fools as the Bible says.


the fools are the people that blindly follow a imaginary god, then pass judgement on those they feel are beneath them...

your doing all this judging, why don't you say what your bible says about judging people?




again, judging behavior is different than judging PEOPLE,,,



You can have all the opinions about behavior that you want. But when you judge behavior and preach about "sin" you are usually pointing at a particular person.





no, I am not,,,I am referring to the behavior,,,,which I would consider 'sin' regardless of the who...


Then the charge that everyone is a sinner is baseless unless you can point out bad behavior in every individual you know or meet.




I can, particularly if they have lived any formidable years on this earth



The charge that "everyone is a sinner" IS BASELESS.

If you want to spend your time pointing out the faults and sins and behaviors of others you are neglecting your own personal spiritual growth.

Worry about your own behavior.





Then u r Perfect JB?

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Tue 06/25/13 06:18 PM
Wow... if that's what you got from what she wrote, try reading it again.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Tue 06/25/13 06:28 PM

Wow... if that's what you got from what she wrote, try reading it again.


if u r responding to me. If everyone is not a sinner then their must be more than 1 perfect person to walk the earth.. Is that not true?

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Tue 06/25/13 06:37 PM


Wow... if that's what you got from what she wrote, try reading it again.


if u r responding to me. If everyone is not a sinner then their must be more than 1 perfect person to walk the earth.. Is that not true?

Either that, or the existence of sin itself could be a fallacy.

The point JB appears to be making is that if indeed EVERYONE were a sinner, then there'd be little use in one sinner pointing at another and crying, "Sinner!" Rather like the pot calling the kettle black, you know? Instead, better that each should look to their OWN sins rather than pointing out those they perceive in others.

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Tue 06/25/13 06:52 PM



Wow... if that's what you got from what she wrote, try reading it again.


if u r responding to me. If everyone is not a sinner then their must be more than 1 perfect person to walk the earth.. Is that not true?

Either that, or the existence of sin itself could be a fallacy.

The point JB appears to be making is that if indeed EVERYONE were a sinner, then there'd be little use in one sinner pointing at another and crying, "Sinner!" Rather like the pot calling the kettle black, you know? Instead, better that each should look to their OWN sins rather than pointing out those they perceive in others.


I understand that. That's why Judgment starts at the House of Israel.
You as a believer have to know what sin is, been shown your sins( like parents to their children) to understand another persons walk. A short scripture that I think about all the time is this.


James 4:17

17 Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.
NKJV

I see this verse to me as: If its in my power to help anyone including animals ect. If I know I could of helped with whatever it was and refuse.. Then it is sin to me.. nobody else

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Tue 06/25/13 07:02 PM
Even one "believer" shouldn't go around pointing fingers at others, though. That wouldn't be an appropriate way to deal with sin, because it would be everyone's responsibility to look to their own behavior.

I should probably note for purposes of this discussion that I'm pretty familiar with all the language and scriptural exegesis regarding Christian theology, given that I grew up in that tradition and was at one point a very seriously devout Christian.

I am now a serious follower of a different faith, one that draws on Abrahamic as well as other sources for its spiritual teachings, but I do not hold the same beliefs I did when I identified as Christian. My view of God and of faith and of the relationship between humanity and divinity does not include the same concept of "sin" as is used in this discussion, because I see much of that as a human construct.

Just wanted to clarify my position so as to avoid confusion.

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Tue 06/25/13 07:26 PM

Even one "believer" shouldn't go around pointing fingers at others, though. That wouldn't be an appropriate way to deal with sin, because it would be everyone's responsibility to look to their own behavior.

I should probably note for purposes of this discussion that I'm pretty familiar with all the language and scriptural exegesis regarding Christian theology, given that I grew up in that tradition and was at one point a very seriously devout Christian.

I am now a serious follower of a different faith, one that draws on Abrahamic as well as other sources for its spiritual teachings, but I do not hold the same beliefs I did when I identified as Christian. My view of God and of faith and of the relationship between humanity and divinity does not include the same concept of "sin" as is used in this discussion, because I see much of that as a human construct.

Just wanted to clarify my position so as to avoid confusion.


That's fine np. when I was in Basic Training ( Air Force) we had a choice. Either on sunday go to church or stay in the barracks and clean the toilets.. haha. what a choice. So I went to a different faith that called themselves Christian to see what they were all about.. I did not find what I was comfortable with for 10 years later. Grew up in what was called non denominational Christian church. As a family we cleaned the church the day before any service. Until I was 8. Then I was so stubborn I sat in the car for 4 years of sundays winter and all because of what my sunday school teacher said when teaching us the 10 commandments. he said the Sabbath ( 7th day) was on Sunday. well being a kid I looked on the calander and raised my hand. I said why does the calander show saturday as the 7th day. He said well JC rose on that day so that's when we keep it now. I said when did jesus keep it he said on Saturday. when we got done before church services I ran to my parents and told them I did not like this church no more.. They asked me why.. I said if they don't know when the 7th day is then how can I believe all the other stuff.. they laughed and allowed me to go to the car.. I never stepped back into that church until I was 19 and went to ask again. same answer. I am glad I had parents who let me have my stubbornness.. I am sure they thought when it got cold I would come in.. I was so stubburn.:smile: flowerforyou

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Tue 06/25/13 07:55 PM









Square roots? Scientists say plants are good at math

http://au.news.yahoo.com/odd/a/-/odd/17715306/square-roots-scientists-say-plants-are-good-at-math/

LONDON (Reuters) - Plants do complex arithmetic calculations to make sure they have enough food to get them through the night, new research published in journal eLife shows.
Scientists at Britain's John Innes Centre said plants adjust their rate of starch consumption to prevent starvation during the night when they are unable to feed themselves with energy from the sun.
They can even compensate for an unexpected early night.
"This is the first concrete example in a fundamental biological process of such a sophisticated arithmetic calculation," mathematical modeler Martin Howard of John Innes Centre (JIC) said.
During the night, mechanisms inside the leaf measure the size of the starch store and estimate the length of time until dawn. Information about time comes from an internal clock, similar to the human body clock.
"The capacity to perform arithmetic calculation is vital for plant growth and productivity," JIC metabolic biologist Alison Smith said.
"Understanding how plants continue to grow in the dark could help unlock new ways to boost crop yield."
(Reporting by Nigel Hunt; editing by Keiron Henderson)


Here is just one example of in your face evidence of the existence of God.

How can a plant evolve complex addition skills that are essential to its survival?

NOT CONCIDERING A THOUSAND OTHER PROBLEMS WITH EVOLUTIONARY BOGWASH, HOW COULD THE PLANT SURVIVE SO LONG WITHOUT THIS ESSENTIAL ABILITY TO SURVIVE?

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

The evidence for God is overwhelming and the evidence for the fact that atheist's are fools as the Bible says.


the fools are the people that blindly follow a imaginary god, then pass judgement on those they feel are beneath them...

your doing all this judging, why don't you say what your bible says about judging people?




again, judging behavior is different than judging PEOPLE,,,



You can have all the opinions about behavior that you want. But when you judge behavior and preach about "sin" you are usually pointing at a particular person.





no, I am not,,,I am referring to the behavior,,,,which I would consider 'sin' regardless of the who...


Then the charge that everyone is a sinner is baseless unless you can point out bad behavior in every individual you know or meet.




I can, particularly if they have lived any formidable years on this earth



The charge that "everyone is a sinner" IS BASELESS.

If you want to spend your time pointing out the faults and sins and behaviors of others you are neglecting your own personal spiritual growth.

Worry about your own behavior.





Then u r Perfect JB?


Not really about 'me' but since you made it about 'me', I will say that what I am most focused on is my own spiritual growth.

If a person wants to spend their time pointing out the faults and sins and behaviors of others (or rant and preach about it) then IMO they are neglecting their own personal spiritual growth.

You can get something out of that statement or not.



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Tue 06/25/13 08:51 PM










Square roots? Scientists say plants are good at math

http://au.news.yahoo.com/odd/a/-/odd/17715306/square-roots-scientists-say-plants-are-good-at-math/

LONDON (Reuters) - Plants do complex arithmetic calculations to make sure they have enough food to get them through the night, new research published in journal eLife shows.
Scientists at Britain's John Innes Centre said plants adjust their rate of starch consumption to prevent starvation during the night when they are unable to feed themselves with energy from the sun.
They can even compensate for an unexpected early night.
"This is the first concrete example in a fundamental biological process of such a sophisticated arithmetic calculation," mathematical modeler Martin Howard of John Innes Centre (JIC) said.
During the night, mechanisms inside the leaf measure the size of the starch store and estimate the length of time until dawn. Information about time comes from an internal clock, similar to the human body clock.
"The capacity to perform arithmetic calculation is vital for plant growth and productivity," JIC metabolic biologist Alison Smith said.
"Understanding how plants continue to grow in the dark could help unlock new ways to boost crop yield."
(Reporting by Nigel Hunt; editing by Keiron Henderson)


Here is just one example of in your face evidence of the existence of God.

How can a plant evolve complex addition skills that are essential to its survival?

NOT CONCIDERING A THOUSAND OTHER PROBLEMS WITH EVOLUTIONARY BOGWASH, HOW COULD THE PLANT SURVIVE SO LONG WITHOUT THIS ESSENTIAL ABILITY TO SURVIVE?

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

The evidence for God is overwhelming and the evidence for the fact that atheist's are fools as the Bible says.


the fools are the people that blindly follow a imaginary god, then pass judgement on those they feel are beneath them...

your doing all this judging, why don't you say what your bible says about judging people?




again, judging behavior is different than judging PEOPLE,,,



You can have all the opinions about behavior that you want. But when you judge behavior and preach about "sin" you are usually pointing at a particular person.





no, I am not,,,I am referring to the behavior,,,,which I would consider 'sin' regardless of the who...


Then the charge that everyone is a sinner is baseless unless you can point out bad behavior in every individual you know or meet.




I can, particularly if they have lived any formidable years on this earth



The charge that "everyone is a sinner" IS BASELESS.

If you want to spend your time pointing out the faults and sins and behaviors of others you are neglecting your own personal spiritual growth.

Worry about your own behavior.





Then u r Perfect JB?


Not really about 'me' but since you made it about 'me', I will say that what I am most focused on is my own spiritual growth.

If a person wants to spend their time pointing out the faults and sins and behaviors of others (or rant and preach about it) then IMO they are neglecting their own personal spiritual growth.

You can get something out of that statement or not.





No I think that's great. Anything that u do whether religion, work, helping others no matter what it is.. Do it because u believe inn it not because someone else does. I answer questions and I do try believe or not , not to put emotions into it. But to try and explain exactly why I feel/believe what I do. That's why u see me say if ANYONE can show me where I have missed the boat, I welcome it.. I want to know what I believe is correct.. Does not mean we will agree but questioning is how we all learn. falling flat on our face is how we learn the most. just going along and saying well I believe and can not back up what u say.. That's following someone down a wrong path..I am sure u know that JB. That's why we see all these terrible things on the news and shake our head why would they do that. They get to emotional and been doing it forever and no one wants to do something for years and find out they were wrong . That's what to me is so special about the Bible. You are to humble yourself.. when u do that everything becomes a win win situation.. Because all u want to do is learn.. I learn every time I answer someone.. Blessings JBflowerforyou

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Tue 06/25/13 09:04 PM
No I think that's great. Anything that u do whether religion, work, helping others no matter what it is.. Do it because u believe inn it not because someone else does. I answer questions and I do try believe or not , not to put emotions into it. But to try and explain exactly why I feel/believe what I do.


No need to explain to me.


That's why u see me say if ANYONE can show me where I have missed the boat, I welcome it.. I want to know what I believe is correct..


So then you do have doubts?


Does not mean we will agree but questioning is how we all learn. falling flat on our face is how we learn the most. just going along and saying well I believe and can not back up what u say.. That's following someone down a wrong path..I am sure u know that JB. That's why we see all these terrible things on the news and shake our head why would they do that. They get to emotional and been doing it forever and no one wants to do something for years and find out they were wrong . That's what to me is so special about the Bible. You are to humble yourself.. when u do that everything becomes a win win situation.. Because all u want to do is learn.. I learn every time I answer someone.. Blessings JB



Beliefs:

One of the most important aspect of what human beings do is build beliefs. Beliefs are what trap most people in their problems. Your beliefs refer to your sense of certainty on some of your thoughts.

As soon as we believe in something, we search for ways to prove it's true.

If your beliefs are working for you, that is all that matters.

Blessings to you. flowerforyou

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Tue 06/25/13 09:23 PM

No I think that's great. Anything that u do whether religion, work, helping others no matter what it is.. Do it because u believe inn it not because someone else does. I answer questions and I do try believe or not , not to put emotions into it. But to try and explain exactly why I feel/believe what I do.


No need to explain to me.


That's why u see me say if ANYONE can show me where I have missed the boat, I welcome it.. I want to know what I believe is correct..


So then you do have doubts?


Does not mean we will agree but questioning is how we all learn. falling flat on our face is how we learn the most. just going along and saying well I believe and can not back up what u say.. That's following someone down a wrong path..I am sure u know that JB. That's why we see all these terrible things on the news and shake our head why would they do that. They get to emotional and been doing it forever and no one wants to do something for years and find out they were wrong . That's what to me is so special about the Bible. You are to humble yourself.. when u do that everything becomes a win win situation.. Because all u want to do is learn.. I learn every time I answer someone.. Blessings JB



Beliefs:

One of the most important aspect of what human beings do is build beliefs. Beliefs are what trap most people in their problems. Your beliefs refer to your sense of certainty on some of your thoughts.

As soon as we believe in something, we search for ways to prove it's true.

If your beliefs are working for you, that is all that matters.

Blessings to you. flowerforyou


Doubts? That's a good question. I doubt myself a lot really. Yet when I do that's when I study, make phone calls study with like believers. To indept of a book to ever know it all. anyone who says they have all truths or know everything the bible says.. I say run. That's enough for me. I try to prove my belief to myself and boards like this are good.. questions are brought up very well yourself would never of thought of.. win-win

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Tue 06/25/13 09:37 PM
There is a difference between looking for proof to support your belief and staying open minded in a search for what is really TRUE.

I don't look for proof, I look for truth.





msharmony's photo
Wed 06/26/13 08:40 AM








Square roots? Scientists say plants are good at math

http://au.news.yahoo.com/odd/a/-/odd/17715306/square-roots-scientists-say-plants-are-good-at-math/

LONDON (Reuters) - Plants do complex arithmetic calculations to make sure they have enough food to get them through the night, new research published in journal eLife shows.
Scientists at Britain's John Innes Centre said plants adjust their rate of starch consumption to prevent starvation during the night when they are unable to feed themselves with energy from the sun.
They can even compensate for an unexpected early night.
"This is the first concrete example in a fundamental biological process of such a sophisticated arithmetic calculation," mathematical modeler Martin Howard of John Innes Centre (JIC) said.
During the night, mechanisms inside the leaf measure the size of the starch store and estimate the length of time until dawn. Information about time comes from an internal clock, similar to the human body clock.
"The capacity to perform arithmetic calculation is vital for plant growth and productivity," JIC metabolic biologist Alison Smith said.
"Understanding how plants continue to grow in the dark could help unlock new ways to boost crop yield."
(Reporting by Nigel Hunt; editing by Keiron Henderson)


Here is just one example of in your face evidence of the existence of God.

How can a plant evolve complex addition skills that are essential to its survival?

NOT CONCIDERING A THOUSAND OTHER PROBLEMS WITH EVOLUTIONARY BOGWASH, HOW COULD THE PLANT SURVIVE SO LONG WITHOUT THIS ESSENTIAL ABILITY TO SURVIVE?

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

The evidence for God is overwhelming and the evidence for the fact that atheist's are fools as the Bible says.


the fools are the people that blindly follow a imaginary god, then pass judgement on those they feel are beneath them...

your doing all this judging, why don't you say what your bible says about judging people?




again, judging behavior is different than judging PEOPLE,,,



You can have all the opinions about behavior that you want. But when you judge behavior and preach about "sin" you are usually pointing at a particular person.





no, I am not,,,I am referring to the behavior,,,,which I would consider 'sin' regardless of the who...


Then the charge that everyone is a sinner is baseless unless you can point out bad behavior in every individual you know or meet.




I can, particularly if they have lived any formidable years on this earth


Judge not, lest you be judged


I already know IM not without sin, so Im in no danger there

judge not lest you be judged, is about hypocrisy,, which Im not guilty of in this situation,,,,I recognize wrong as wrong even when I do it, and I try to correct it when I have done it,,,

msharmony's photo
Wed 06/26/13 08:42 AM








Square roots? Scientists say plants are good at math

http://au.news.yahoo.com/odd/a/-/odd/17715306/square-roots-scientists-say-plants-are-good-at-math/

LONDON (Reuters) - Plants do complex arithmetic calculations to make sure they have enough food to get them through the night, new research published in journal eLife shows.
Scientists at Britain's John Innes Centre said plants adjust their rate of starch consumption to prevent starvation during the night when they are unable to feed themselves with energy from the sun.
They can even compensate for an unexpected early night.
"This is the first concrete example in a fundamental biological process of such a sophisticated arithmetic calculation," mathematical modeler Martin Howard of John Innes Centre (JIC) said.
During the night, mechanisms inside the leaf measure the size of the starch store and estimate the length of time until dawn. Information about time comes from an internal clock, similar to the human body clock.
"The capacity to perform arithmetic calculation is vital for plant growth and productivity," JIC metabolic biologist Alison Smith said.
"Understanding how plants continue to grow in the dark could help unlock new ways to boost crop yield."
(Reporting by Nigel Hunt; editing by Keiron Henderson)


Here is just one example of in your face evidence of the existence of God.

How can a plant evolve complex addition skills that are essential to its survival?

NOT CONCIDERING A THOUSAND OTHER PROBLEMS WITH EVOLUTIONARY BOGWASH, HOW COULD THE PLANT SURVIVE SO LONG WITHOUT THIS ESSENTIAL ABILITY TO SURVIVE?

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

The evidence for God is overwhelming and the evidence for the fact that atheist's are fools as the Bible says.


the fools are the people that blindly follow a imaginary god, then pass judgement on those they feel are beneath them...

your doing all this judging, why don't you say what your bible says about judging people?




again, judging behavior is different than judging PEOPLE,,,



You can have all the opinions about behavior that you want. But when you judge behavior and preach about "sin" you are usually pointing at a particular person.





no, I am not,,,I am referring to the behavior,,,,which I would consider 'sin' regardless of the who...


Then the charge that everyone is a sinner is baseless unless you can point out bad behavior in every individual you know or meet.




I can, particularly if they have lived any formidable years on this earth



The charge that "everyone is a sinner" IS BASELESS.

If you want to spend your time pointing out the faults and sins and behaviors of others you are neglecting your own personal spiritual growth.

Worry about your own behavior.






truth might hurt,, its called tough love

I spend my time on any number of things, including responding to posts in mingle2, its kind of a situation by situation thing,,lol

and Im not pointing out anything personal to specific people, again, if it is WRONG / SINFUL / ILLEGAL,, it is WRONG/SINFUL/ILLEGAL

regardless of who has done it,,,,

acknowledging that does nothing at all to impede my ability to 'worry about my own behavior'

Im multi talented,, I do that as well,,,,

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Wed 06/26/13 08:46 AM









Square roots? Scientists say plants are good at math

http://au.news.yahoo.com/odd/a/-/odd/17715306/square-roots-scientists-say-plants-are-good-at-math/

LONDON (Reuters) - Plants do complex arithmetic calculations to make sure they have enough food to get them through the night, new research published in journal eLife shows.
Scientists at Britain's John Innes Centre said plants adjust their rate of starch consumption to prevent starvation during the night when they are unable to feed themselves with energy from the sun.
They can even compensate for an unexpected early night.
"This is the first concrete example in a fundamental biological process of such a sophisticated arithmetic calculation," mathematical modeler Martin Howard of John Innes Centre (JIC) said.
During the night, mechanisms inside the leaf measure the size of the starch store and estimate the length of time until dawn. Information about time comes from an internal clock, similar to the human body clock.
"The capacity to perform arithmetic calculation is vital for plant growth and productivity," JIC metabolic biologist Alison Smith said.
"Understanding how plants continue to grow in the dark could help unlock new ways to boost crop yield."
(Reporting by Nigel Hunt; editing by Keiron Henderson)


Here is just one example of in your face evidence of the existence of God.

How can a plant evolve complex addition skills that are essential to its survival?

NOT CONCIDERING A THOUSAND OTHER PROBLEMS WITH EVOLUTIONARY BOGWASH, HOW COULD THE PLANT SURVIVE SO LONG WITHOUT THIS ESSENTIAL ABILITY TO SURVIVE?

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

The evidence for God is overwhelming and the evidence for the fact that atheist's are fools as the Bible says.


the fools are the people that blindly follow a imaginary god, then pass judgement on those they feel are beneath them...

your doing all this judging, why don't you say what your bible says about judging people?




again, judging behavior is different than judging PEOPLE,,,



You can have all the opinions about behavior that you want. But when you judge behavior and preach about "sin" you are usually pointing at a particular person.





no, I am not,,,I am referring to the behavior,,,,which I would consider 'sin' regardless of the who...


Then the charge that everyone is a sinner is baseless unless you can point out bad behavior in every individual you know or meet.




I can, particularly if they have lived any formidable years on this earth



The charge that "everyone is a sinner" IS BASELESS.

If you want to spend your time pointing out the faults and sins and behaviors of others you are neglecting your own personal spiritual growth.

Worry about your own behavior.






truth might hurt,, its called tough love

I spend my time on any number of things, including responding to posts in mingle2, its kind of a situation by situation thing,,lol

and Im not pointing out anything personal to specific people, again, if it is WRONG / SINFUL / ILLEGAL,, it is WRONG/SINFUL/ILLEGAL

regardless of who has done it,,,,

acknowledging that does nothing at all to impede my ability to 'worry about my own behavior'

Im multi talented,, I do that as well,,,,


Its ok, we all know you are just picking on me and I don't mind

msharmony's photo
Wed 06/26/13 08:49 AM










Square roots? Scientists say plants are good at math

http://au.news.yahoo.com/odd/a/-/odd/17715306/square-roots-scientists-say-plants-are-good-at-math/

LONDON (Reuters) - Plants do complex arithmetic calculations to make sure they have enough food to get them through the night, new research published in journal eLife shows.
Scientists at Britain's John Innes Centre said plants adjust their rate of starch consumption to prevent starvation during the night when they are unable to feed themselves with energy from the sun.
They can even compensate for an unexpected early night.
"This is the first concrete example in a fundamental biological process of such a sophisticated arithmetic calculation," mathematical modeler Martin Howard of John Innes Centre (JIC) said.
During the night, mechanisms inside the leaf measure the size of the starch store and estimate the length of time until dawn. Information about time comes from an internal clock, similar to the human body clock.
"The capacity to perform arithmetic calculation is vital for plant growth and productivity," JIC metabolic biologist Alison Smith said.
"Understanding how plants continue to grow in the dark could help unlock new ways to boost crop yield."
(Reporting by Nigel Hunt; editing by Keiron Henderson)


Here is just one example of in your face evidence of the existence of God.

How can a plant evolve complex addition skills that are essential to its survival?

NOT CONCIDERING A THOUSAND OTHER PROBLEMS WITH EVOLUTIONARY BOGWASH, HOW COULD THE PLANT SURVIVE SO LONG WITHOUT THIS ESSENTIAL ABILITY TO SURVIVE?

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

The evidence for God is overwhelming and the evidence for the fact that atheist's are fools as the Bible says.


the fools are the people that blindly follow a imaginary god, then pass judgement on those they feel are beneath them...

your doing all this judging, why don't you say what your bible says about judging people?




again, judging behavior is different than judging PEOPLE,,,



You can have all the opinions about behavior that you want. But when you judge behavior and preach about "sin" you are usually pointing at a particular person.





no, I am not,,,I am referring to the behavior,,,,which I would consider 'sin' regardless of the who...


Then the charge that everyone is a sinner is baseless unless you can point out bad behavior in every individual you know or meet.




I can, particularly if they have lived any formidable years on this earth



The charge that "everyone is a sinner" IS BASELESS.

If you want to spend your time pointing out the faults and sins and behaviors of others you are neglecting your own personal spiritual growth.

Worry about your own behavior.






truth might hurt,, its called tough love

I spend my time on any number of things, including responding to posts in mingle2, its kind of a situation by situation thing,,lol

and Im not pointing out anything personal to specific people, again, if it is WRONG / SINFUL / ILLEGAL,, it is WRONG/SINFUL/ILLEGAL

regardless of who has done it,,,,

acknowledging that does nothing at all to impede my ability to 'worry about my own behavior'

Im multi talented,, I do that as well,,,,


Its ok, we all know you are just picking on me and I don't mind



lol,,,, ditto