Topic: Barkley Agrees With Zimmerman Verdict
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Wed 08/14/13 11:31 PM






Well, the fact that the Zimmerman verdict was legally correct won't stop some people from feeling that the verdict was wrong. :tongue:



yep, and dna testing has proved that a 'legally correct' verdict can actually end up being wrong,,,


DNA testing relies on facts, not feelings. :tongue:


still doesn't change the reality that juries can and do get it 'wrong'


Yup they can, they can wrongly convict when they let their emotions and not the facts lead their decision.



we are in agreement,,,some emotions respond to a fist with a gun,,some emotions don't,,,,




No I said jurors use their emotions sometimes instead of following the facts and a lot of innocent people get found guilty that way.

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Thu 08/15/13 12:10 AM
By Ken Hutcherson, Special to CP
July 21, 2013|10:39 am
"On some positions, cowardice asks the question, is it expedient? And expedience comes along and asks the question, is it political? Vanity asks the question, is it popular? Conscience asks the question, is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor polite, nor popular--- but one must take it because it's right," said Dr. Martin Luther King. Jr.

Well what I am about to say is neither safe, nor polite, nor popular, but what I believe is right.

Blackness seems to be defined as a belief that in the black community you cannot be lied to by our so-called self imposed leaders and the news media. If either one of them says something, we put all our trust in it as the truth, and we act upon that truth regardless of the repercussions.

Truth can stand regardless if anyone believes in it or not, but a lie cannot stand unless someone has faith in it. So what is the truth about the Martin and Zimmerman case? Where do you want to stand and what side of this are you choosing? Laws will never accomplish what Jesus can accomplish with changed hearts in all people of all colors.

When you have a young black boy who is killed by what some are calling a white Hispanic, and Jackson and Sharpton (of the PPA or the Poverty Pimps of America), and a liberal media involved, you have the equivalent of nitroglycerin.

Oh by the way, I never heard of "white Hispanic" before but I guess this fits the bill in this case. This incident only needed someone to light the fuse. Why is this true because black people are involved?

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I believe Dr. James Manning hit it on the head when he said that black people have a difficult time accepting truth simply because they are black. That's right, black people are involved and it is impossible for the average black person to believe the truth. They refuse to believe that a black boy could be in the wrong when it comes to a white Hispanic. Blackness is the apex of victimhood and our blackness is above truth, above our Christianity, above our God, above our Holy Spirit, so that means if our blackness is above the Holy Spirit, then it is above Truth. This is so important for everyone to know this so they can understand why this Trayvon and Zimmerman case is where it is today and why blacks refuse to believe what really happened.

Let's see if we can figure out what really happened that night that Trayvon and Zimmerman met.

I have been told that the medical report revealed Trayvon had marijuana in his system that night. Someone told me if you smoke marijuana you can get the munchies and feel paranoid. So the reason may be that he was out late to get his munchies on and since he may have been a little paranoid, he could have been acting a little suspicious. That is what got Zimmerman's attention in the first place and then add the time of night, then the fact there were other robberies in the neighborhood, and Zimmerman was the head of neighborhood watch. Zimmerman got out of his truck and did not go back as soon as he was told. However, he was going back to his truck and it was then that Trayvon that came back to confront George.

The reason Trayvon attacked George is because he thought George might be a rapist and not a racist. That's right a rapist my friends, because of what Rachael Jeantel said on the Piers Morgan Show. She said she told him to run if a grown man is following you because he may be a rapist (not racist) so that is why he would not continue to go home. He turned back to confront Zimmerman because he probably did not want him to follow him home with his little brother being there.

On The Piers Morgan Show, Rachael Jeantel said that Trayvon attacked George first because that is what you do in the hood.

Now black people will not accept that because their leaders and the media said it was a racially motivated confrontation. They are living black and just can't help themselves.

This reminds me of an incident when I was in college. My professor got so mad at me in one of my freshman biology classes during a lesson on evolution. She said this is how the world was formed and I said how do you know that? She went on to explain the big bang theory and I then asked where did that concept come from? She said that atoms collided and I asked where did the atoms come from?

You get the idea and at the end of class it was obvious she was angry at this black freshman challenging this white professor in a class in 1970. She waited and the last day she was talking about genes. She looked at me and said if your genes are recessive then you are white and if your genes are dominant you are black and there is nothing you can do about it. Can you believe that shot over the bow at me? Wow I guess I have to give her some kudos because it seems that if you are black then there is nothing you can do about thinking this way.

It seems that being black allows us to not look at the truth even when it is screaming in our face because we just can't help ourselves. It is hard to believe that blacks can be guilty of wrongdoing in our society. You know when you look at the truth of blacks making up 30 percent of the population and yet the majority of those incarcerated are black men and women. Can someone please tell me if it is not true that in Chicago, Atlanta, Miami, and New York that blacks are killing blacks, you know, black on black crime? In those cities blacks perpetrate serious crimes with guns over 70 per cent of the time. Now don't miss that comparison of 30 percent of the population committing over 70 percent of all crimes in our largest cities. There are many blacks who think whitey wants to get rid of us and the way we are killing each other the only thing they have to do is get out of the way and we will accomplish that ourselves. Then it does seem logical that most of the people that are in jail would be black.

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/black-pastor-speaks-frankly-to-blacks-about-trayvon-martin-100545/#RK0pshIMIBJQjv8r.99

http://www.christianpost.com/news/black-pastor-speaks-frankly-to-blacks-about-trayvon-martin-100545/

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Thu 08/15/13 02:52 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 08/15/13 03:09 AM
jaentel said nothing about Treyvon attacking first

first of all

and second of all, the trace amount (1.5 nanograms / ml) they found in his system wouldn't have caused the munchies or paranoia
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/scientist-trayvon-martins-marijuana-use-had-nothing-do-night-he-died

but some strange man , when IM 17 and walking in the dark, following me in his car and proceding to exit the car to follow me on foot

SHOULD make even a completely sober person paranoid,,

I feel sorry for this black person who truly feels he is some exception to the other blacks cursed with not being able to 'accept the truth'


how pompous can one be,,,?

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Thu 08/15/13 05:10 AM

jaentel said nothing about Treyvon attacking first

first of all

and second of all, the trace amount (1.5 nanograms / ml) they found in his system wouldn't have caused the munchies or paranoia
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/scientist-trayvon-martins-marijuana-use-had-nothing-do-night-he-died

but some strange man , when IM 17 and walking in the dark, following me in his car and proceding to exit the car to follow me on foot

SHOULD make even a completely sober person paranoid,,

I feel sorry for this black person who truly feels he is some exception to the other blacks cursed with not being able to 'accept the truth'


how pompous can one be,,,?


Or you may have proven his point. :tongue:

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Thu 08/15/13 09:23 AM


jaentel said nothing about Treyvon attacking first

first of all

and second of all, the trace amount (1.5 nanograms / ml) they found in his system wouldn't have caused the munchies or paranoia
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/scientist-trayvon-martins-marijuana-use-had-nothing-do-night-he-died

but some strange man , when IM 17 and walking in the dark, following me in his car and proceding to exit the car to follow me on foot

SHOULD make even a completely sober person paranoid,,

I feel sorry for this black person who truly feels he is some exception to the other blacks cursed with not being able to 'accept the truth'


how pompous can one be,,,?


Or you may have proven his point. :tongue:


his main point is blackness is a moral illness and he is special

that and the point on his head


doubt I could prove that any better than his statements did,,

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Thu 08/15/13 03:19 PM



jaentel said nothing about Treyvon attacking first

first of all

and second of all, the trace amount (1.5 nanograms / ml) they found in his system wouldn't have caused the munchies or paranoia
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/scientist-trayvon-martins-marijuana-use-had-nothing-do-night-he-died

but some strange man , when IM 17 and walking in the dark, following me in his car and proceding to exit the car to follow me on foot

SHOULD make even a completely sober person paranoid,,

I feel sorry for this black person who truly feels he is some exception to the other blacks cursed with not being able to 'accept the truth'


how pompous can one be,,,?


Or you may have proven his point. :tongue:


his main point is blackness is a moral illness and he is special

that and the point on his head


doubt I could prove that any better than his statements did,,


That is not his point at all. His point is that some people of his race have elevated their race to the status of an idol, and as a result, they have become blind to the self-defeating, self-destructive behavior that some members of their race are engaged in.

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Fri 08/16/13 02:28 AM




jaentel said nothing about Treyvon attacking first

first of all

and second of all, the trace amount (1.5 nanograms / ml) they found in his system wouldn't have caused the munchies or paranoia
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/scientist-trayvon-martins-marijuana-use-had-nothing-do-night-he-died

but some strange man , when IM 17 and walking in the dark, following me in his car and proceding to exit the car to follow me on foot

SHOULD make even a completely sober person paranoid,,

I feel sorry for this black person who truly feels he is some exception to the other blacks cursed with not being able to 'accept the truth'


how pompous can one be,,,?


Or you may have proven his point. :tongue:


his main point is blackness is a moral illness and he is special

that and the point on his head


doubt I could prove that any better than his statements did,,


That is not his point at all. His point is that some people of his race have elevated their race to the status of an idol, and as a result, they have become blind to the self-defeating, self-destructive behavior that some members of their race are engaged in.



yes, well 'some' people do 'some' of everything,,,

but his statements seemed to be about 'black people',,,, not SOME blck people

with the exception of himself of course,,,

Blackness seems to be defined as a belief that in the black community you cannot be lied to by our so-called self imposed leaders and the news media. If either one of them says something, we put all our trust in it as the truth, and we act upon that truth regardless of the repercussions.



this person, after all , has never heard of white Hispanic, although the classification has been in the census and on most state documents one encounters which ask the question of race


people , even 'black people' are capable of caring about more than one thing,, we don't have to feel obligated by the ignorant to commit to the things they wish to see us commit to

we can care about the treyvons of the world AND still not be
'blind to the self-defeating, self-destructive behavior that some members of their race are engaged in. '


they aren't mutually exclusive feelings or mutually exclusive interests,,,

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Fri 08/16/13 07:46 AM





jaentel said nothing about Treyvon attacking first

first of all

and second of all, the trace amount (1.5 nanograms / ml) they found in his system wouldn't have caused the munchies or paranoia
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/scientist-trayvon-martins-marijuana-use-had-nothing-do-night-he-died

but some strange man , when IM 17 and walking in the dark, following me in his car and proceding to exit the car to follow me on foot

SHOULD make even a completely sober person paranoid,,

I feel sorry for this black person who truly feels he is some exception to the other blacks cursed with not being able to 'accept the truth'


how pompous can one be,,,?


Or you may have proven his point. :tongue:


his main point is blackness is a moral illness and he is special

that and the point on his head


doubt I could prove that any better than his statements did,,


That is not his point at all. His point is that some people of his race have elevated their race to the status of an idol, and as a result, they have become blind to the self-defeating, self-destructive behavior that some members of their race are engaged in.



yes, well 'some' people do 'some' of everything,,,

but his statements seemed to be about 'black people',,,, not SOME blck people

with the exception of himself of course,,,

Blackness seems to be defined as a belief that in the black community you cannot be lied to by our so-called self imposed leaders and the news media. If either one of them says something, we put all our trust in it as the truth, and we act upon that truth regardless of the repercussions.



this person, after all , has never heard of white Hispanic, although the classification has been in the census and on most state documents one encounters which ask the question of race


people , even 'black people' are capable of caring about more than one thing,, we don't have to feel obligated by the ignorant to commit to the things they wish to see us commit to

we can care about the treyvons of the world AND still not be
'blind to the self-defeating, self-destructive behavior that some members of their race are engaged in. '


they aren't mutually exclusive feelings or mutually exclusive interests,,,


The author's wording could have been better, yet his point is still valid.

If a white peasant were to point out that a black emperor has no clothes on, then some black peasants would scold the white peasant for pointing out a bit of reality that they don't want to acknowledge.

Would all black peasants scold the white peasant? No, of course not, but the ones doing the scolding are the ones who are in the public eye the most and who influence the thinking of black peasants who are mere spectators.

It is as if some of black peasants judge themselves to be somehow superior because of their race.

Displays of such "superior" thinking do occur in real life, and the author is pointing out the error of such displays.

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Fri 08/16/13 12:30 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 08/16/13 12:31 PM
its a colorful analogy dodo

but I don't see the connection

someone either has clothes on or they don't

whether people PERCEIVE an injustice is nowhere near as cut and dry

and which black peasants , as you put it, are considering themselves superior?

is that really the conclusion JUST because a black person brings up or talks about injustice or race?,,,,wow!

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Fri 08/16/13 03:23 PM
People earn themselves trouble by making bad decisions and by choosing to engage in bad behavior.

Yet, as Ken Hutcherson points out, there are black Americans who have difficulty believing "that blacks can be guilty of wrongdoing in our society." Instead, they want to turn black Americans guilty of bad decisions and misdeeds into victims of something.

Are all black Americans that way? No, but the ones who are seem to get the most publicity.

Again, Hutcherson erred in how he worded his argument, because he makes no distinction between blacks who support the racial-grievance industry and blacks who don't. There are plenty of black Americans who don't.

Now, in regards to Trayvon Martin, he earned himself trouble by choosing to attack George Zimmerman, although Zimmerman had not physically harmed Martin.

I, too, disapprove of the way that Zimmerman acted before Martin attacked him, but Martin had no legal justification for attacking Zimmerman.

Like it or not, (and this it the truth that, according to Hutcherson, isn't looked at), Martin overpowered Zimmerman and beat up Zimmerman while Zimmerman was lying on his back. Also, Martin was of adult size, and, thus, Zimmerman did not know that Martin was below the age of 18. All that mattered at the time was that Martin was inflicting bodily harm on Zimmerman without just cause, and Zimmerman feared for his life. Thus, Zimmerman used his weapon.

Indeed, George Zimmerman shot in self-defense, but because Martin was black, some of Martin's black defenders can't see the truth that Martin was a villain during this incident. Sure, Martin may not have meant to be a villain, but his actions were villainous nevertheless.

Now, I am not saying that Martin earned his death, but his death would not have happened if he had not chosen to do what he did to Zimmerman. Still, some people refuse to see Martin's chosen misdeed for what it is.


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Sat 08/17/13 02:34 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 08/17/13 02:39 AM

People earn themselves trouble by making bad decisions and by choosing to engage in bad behavior.

Yet, as Ken Hutcherson points out, there are black Americans who have difficulty believing "that blacks can be guilty of wrongdoing in our society." Instead, they want to turn black Americans guilty of bad decisions and misdeeds into victims of something.

Are all black Americans that way? No, but the ones who are seem to get the most publicity.

Again, Hutcherson erred in how he worded his argument, because he makes no distinction between blacks who support the racial-grievance industry and blacks who don't. There are plenty of black Americans who don't.

Now, in regards to Trayvon Martin, he earned himself trouble by choosing to attack George Zimmerman, although Zimmerman had not physically harmed Martin.

I, too, disapprove of the way that Zimmerman acted before Martin attacked him, but Martin had no legal justification for attacking Zimmerman.

Like it or not, (and this it the truth that, according to Hutcherson, isn't looked at), Martin overpowered Zimmerman and beat up Zimmerman while Zimmerman was lying on his back. Also, Martin was of adult size, and, thus, Zimmerman did not know that Martin was below the age of 18. All that mattered at the time was that Martin was inflicting bodily harm on Zimmerman without just cause, and Zimmerman feared for his life. Thus, Zimmerman used his weapon.

Indeed, George Zimmerman shot in self-defense, but because Martin was black, some of Martin's black defenders can't see the truth that Martin was a villain during this incident. Sure, Martin may not have meant to be a villain, but his actions were villainous nevertheless.

Now, I am not saying that Martin earned his death, but his death would not have happened if he had not chosen to do what he did to Zimmerman. Still, some people refuse to see Martin's chosen misdeed for what it is.





we can do the 'some people' discussion all day long

some white people support the 'colorblind, anything but racism' philosophy that insists on finding any reason other than racism to explain things away

as far as treyvon acting 'villanous' or z thinking trey was an adult (btw, on the tape of the 911 z clearly says trey is late teens and trey was only 5 11 and 158 pounds,, not sure how that makes him 'adult size')

if that is the narrative you believe, that's your perogtive

if that was the actual facts, or had been proven to be factual, there probably wouldn't be so much controversy,,,

however, since that narrative wasn't proven(nor did it make sense unless you START from a premise of believing trey to have likely been some thug on the attack)

seems to me an armed adult stalked and tried to detain an unarmed minor who FINALLY fought back,,,,

no wrong doing on anyones part that fights back a stalker who has grabbed them

even if they at some point are able to be the one on top,,,,

and certainly not justification for the stalker to shoot them dead after turning cowsrd and realizing they cant fight a lick,,,,

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Sat 08/17/13 05:10 AM
So, mh.
Are you claiming Hussein is the only president ridiculed and made a joke of while in office?

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/17/13 06:39 AM

So, mh.
Are you claiming Hussein is the only president ridiculed and made a joke of while in office?



did I POST That president Obama is the only president to be made a joke of while in office?

comics and all types of ENTERTAINMENT figures do it for a living

but not at STATE SPONSORED EVENTS,, and certainly not to the extent of supporting/promoting violence against the sitting president,,,

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Mon 08/19/13 05:46 AM
on the tape of the 911 z clearly says trey is late teens and trey was only 5 11 and 158 pounds,, not sure how that makes him 'adult size'


At the age of 18, a person is an adult and in the late teens.


The average American adult male is 5'9" tall, which is 2" shorter than Martin was.

At 158#, Martin was heaver than I was when I was at age 21, and he was within 10# of the average weight of someone in his 20s.

So, Martin was definitely of adult size. One would have to have proverbial blinders on not to see that.

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Mon 08/19/13 06:02 AM
That's what size I was at 29.
I'm still 5:11". :wink: laugh

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Mon 08/19/13 10:47 AM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 08/19/13 10:51 AM

on the tape of the 911 z clearly says trey is late teens and trey was only 5 11 and 158 pounds,, not sure how that makes him 'adult size'


At the age of 18, a person is an adult and in the late teens.


The average American adult male is 5'9" tall, which is 2" shorter than Martin was.

At 158#, Martin was heaver than I was when I was at age 21, and he was within 10# of the average weight of someone in his 20s.

So, Martin was definitely of adult size. One would have to have proverbial blinders on not to see that.


or, one is stretching to prove a point,,,,weight is not about age but about height,,,there is height weight proportion,,,


the 'average' male is 5foot 9,but he is also 166 pounds,,, two inches shorter and EIGHT POUNDS HEAVIER than treyvon,,,,in other words,,,not as slight,,,


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/bodymeas.htm



and since AVERGE includes all males, it greatly underplays the AVERAGE height of black males,, making good profiling fodder for those who feel being an 'adult size' is justification for profiling or treating a teen like an adult

and it doesn't change that Z knew he was a 'late teen',,,,or that he had JUST TURNED 17

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Mon 08/19/13 04:13 PM
and it doesn't change that Z knew he was a 'late teen',,,,or that he had JUST TURNED 17


Uh, Zimmerman didn't know that Martin was under the age of 18.
As someone who was 5'11" and 158#, Martin could easily pass for someone who had already turned 18.

Again, an 18-year-old person is both an adult and a late teen.

The claim that Zimmerman must have known that Martin was younger than 18 is a claim without evidence to support it.

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Mon 08/19/13 04:33 PM

and it doesn't change that Z knew he was a 'late teen',,,,or that he had JUST TURNED 17


Uh, Zimmerman didn't know that Martin was under the age of 18.
As someone who was 5'11" and 158#, Martin could easily pass for someone who had already turned 18.

Again, an 18-year-old person is both an adult and a late teen.

The claim that Zimmerman must have known that Martin was younger than 18 is a claim without evidence to support it.


he knew he was 'late teens',, he didn't call him a 'man'

nuff said,,,

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Mon 08/19/13 04:37 PM


and it doesn't change that Z knew he was a 'late teen',,,,or that he had JUST TURNED 17


Uh, Zimmerman didn't know that Martin was under the age of 18.
As someone who was 5'11" and 158#, Martin could easily pass for someone who had already turned 18.

Again, an 18-year-old person is both an adult and a late teen.

The claim that Zimmerman must have known that Martin was younger than 18 is a claim without evidence to support it.


he knew he was 'late teens',, he didn't call him a 'man'

nuff said,,,


No, not 'nuff said'

and SO WHAT?

Since when do 'teens' not commit crimes?

Since when are people not allowed to protect themselves against teens?

geeeze.


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Mon 08/19/13 04:44 PM
Called him 18?
He never stated that.
More imaginary made up chit. laugh laugh laugh laugh

What next? Z molested dead thugs mama? laugh laugh