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Topic: Adrianne Curry: ��Boycott Black History Month
Conrad_73's photo
Sat 02/08/14 10:00 AM
What are the nature and the causes of modern tribalism? Philosophically, tribalism is the product of irrationalism and collectivism. It is a logical consequence of modern philosophy. If men accept the notion that reason is not valid, what is to guide them and how are they to live?

Obviously, they will seek to join some group—any group—which claims the ability to lead them and to provide some sort of knowledge acquired by some sort of unspecified means. If men accept the notion that the individual is helpless, intellectually and morally, that he has no mind and no rights, that he is nothing, but the group is all, and his only moral significance lies in selfless service to the group—they will be pulled obediently to join a group. But which group? Well, if you believe that you have no mind and no moral value, you cannot have the confidence to make choices—so the only thing for you to do is to join an unchosen group, the group into which you were born, the group to which you were predestined to belong by the sovereign, omnipotent, omniscient power of your body chemistry.

This, of course, is racism. But if your group is small enough, it will not be called “racism”: it will be called “ethnicity.”



“Global Balkanization,”
The Voice of Reason, 117
Ayn Rand

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/tribalism.html

willing2's photo
Sat 02/08/14 10:10 AM

Until just recently, it's been taboo to discuss on a public forum race relations.

No, those separatists groups and people are not new.

They are the ones fighting to keep separatism alive.

Matter of fact, just 3 years ago on one public forum I tried to make a thread regarding separatism.

It was quickly deleted and the administration told me not to make another race relations thread again or I'd be banned.

That stance has been relaxed.

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Sat 02/08/14 10:11 AM
Edited by singmesweet on Sat 02/08/14 10:11 AM


Because, 4 out those 7 photos represent Black History.

The other three are prime examples for the argument of selective breeding.

Take that back. All seven are prime examples for the argument of selective breeding.


So, those pictures of black people are what you think of when you think of black history? What about the pictures of white people? Is that what you think of for white history? Why do you have such a negative view of black people?

And you're for selective breeding?

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Sat 02/08/14 10:13 AM
Edited by alnewman on Sat 02/08/14 10:15 AM


the whole is made of many parts, each valuable and distinct and equally valuable to our collective identity as Americans. How each group celebrates it's unique identity and participates in unity is up to each group and individual within those groups. I do think it disrespectful to believe that one ethnicity or race is better than the others, but I really don;t think Black History Month is doing that.



Ah, but Black History Month does just that, it is a separatist philosophy. It is a philosophy designed to keep the groups divided such that one deserves some special privilege over another. It is one thing as a group to celebrate your diversity but to force others to acknowledge that group as distinct from all others is not right. But that is not just to "Black History" but to so many other categories that remind us all that we are divided. It is but that the "black" issue is so in your face that it is at the forefront. Just another issue to keep the masses divided and willing to give away the country our founders gave us.



It is wrong thinking to believe that one breaks unity by celebrating unique qualities.....this is not the collective comrade

we value diversity in the US...get with the program...lol


But it is not diversity that is the issue, it is the separation, the division. And never in the history of this country has things been more divided than with Odumbo and the Odumboites.






willing2's photo
Sat 02/08/14 10:13 AM



Because, 4 out those 7 photos represent Black History.

The other three are prime examples for the argument of selective breeding.

Take that back. All seven are prime examples for the argument of selective breeding.


So, those pictures of black people are what you think of when you think of black history? What about the pictures of white people? Is that what you think of for white history? Why do you have such a negative view of black people?

And you're for selective breeding?

All or nothing?
Rather hilarious!laugh

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Sat 02/08/14 10:16 AM




Because, 4 out those 7 photos represent Black History.

The other three are prime examples for the argument of selective breeding.

Take that back. All seven are prime examples for the argument of selective breeding.


So, those pictures of black people are what you think of when you think of black history? What about the pictures of white people? Is that what you think of for white history? Why do you have such a negative view of black people?

And you're for selective breeding?

All or nothing?
Rather hilarious!laugh


You're usually pretty negative when talking about black people, willing. Previous threads and posts show that. You're often making fun of them and being negative for some reason. Why is that?

For example, why did you choose to write this post the way you did?



Yes!
Claiming all dem der white folks owned slaves and owes us fer r days as slavein fo da massahs.

msharmony's photo
Sat 02/08/14 10:20 AM
this says a lot

"But that is not just to "Black History" but to so many other categories that remind us all that we are divided."


division is the reality of how America was founded,,,,

trying to ignore it wont fix it,, being 'reminded ' of it couldn't happen if it wasn't a fact of life

and fixing it cant happen without acknowledging it,, or as you put it

'reminding' people,,,,

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Sat 02/08/14 10:20 AM







Black history (in the US) is part of American history. It should be studied long and hard, but no more so than our history in general.

...Claiming special privilege to race, based on sins of a past generation in the learning process of a new nation.... is not only stupidity, it is destructive ignorance most (thankfully) have risen above.

We're all in this together! Choosing to believe one race of an entire diversified population such as ours deserves more, or special treatment over another..... that's arrogance, not progress, division, not unity.

One bad apple can spoil the whole barrel if it is not removed. We are guaranteed equal rights for ALL, NOT some more than others!

Thinking otherwise is part of the problem, NOT the solution!


Black history can't be American history or more specifically these united States history. These united States are composed of a vast mix of different cultures and ethnicities all melded into one. Now if it is separated, it is no longer a part of the whole, but is attempting to distinguish itself as a separate entity.

You can have one or you can have the other, but not both. That is the whole problem with this argument, some wish to have their cookie and eat it too. The only way to accomplish that is to steal from another. Division of the whole and claiming unification, just as dishonest as stealing.


black people have had a separate history, making them a separate culture and a separate identity

and the hypocrites who constantly gripe and insult 'blacks' realize it completely when it serves to fulfill their own ego and 'privilege'

just do it my way or you aren't American,,,,,yeah right,,,,whoa


the whole is made of many parts, each valuable and distinct and equally valuable to our collective identity as Americans. How each group celebrates it's unique identity and participates in unity is up to each group and individual within those groups. I do think it disrespectful to believe that one ethnicity or race is better than the others, but I really don;t think Black History Month is doing that.

It is wrong thinking to believe that one breaks unity by celebrating unique qualities.....this is not the collective comrade

we value diversity in the US...get with the program...lol



I agree., well said

the hand is only part of the body, but its important and separate from the nose or the ears,,,,

all parts are separately worthy of their place and recognition for contributing to the whole,,


celebrating diversity,,, great idea,,,


and if anything the celebration of diversity in this country which was so popular in the 1970s and 80s was in good measure a contribution from black american culture. that struggle for awareness created awareness in all of us...from the Firefox books to celebrate Appalchia to Hanhukah and Kwanzaa...it's all good....I think it would be good for the US to get back to the basics of the "rainbow coalition"


The concept of rainbows have a connotation of good, cover the visible spectrum with darkness completing it. But then would that be really good as one does not exist with the other. Again a separatist symbol.

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Sat 02/08/14 10:27 AM


no not at all. tho I admit I am not entirely aware of the european situation. I have read a little of it. Here in the US, several decades ago we had programs in schools, churches, scouts, community groups, that celebrated different cultural backgrounds...students brought in items, recipes, family members etc to discuss diversity. In the US we cannot hide from or deny diversity. We are a true melting pot. It is a separate issue from immigration which I believe is the problem in Europe. No, actually I am a strong law and order type person when it comes to immigration. I have little patience with illegals. That does not mean I do not value our national cultural diversity. they are, again, separate topics.


But that diversity was all good. It helped to understand that we each have different backgrounds and cultures. That those differences were to be recognized and honored. It was to unite, not divide. It was to understand, not segregate. It was to show all were equal, not inferior or superior.

Big difference.

willing2's photo
Sat 02/08/14 10:29 AM
Creative expression.
We are all free to be creative in the USA I reside in.laugh

msharmony's photo
Sat 02/08/14 10:29 AM
seems like a difference in perception only

one person sees celebrating difference in one situation as 'recognizing and honoring', as 'uniting' and 'understanding' and showing we are not 'inferior or superior'


but in another situation, sees the same things as 'segregating'

interesting,,,

msharmony's photo
Sat 02/08/14 10:30 AM

Creative expression.
We are all free to be creative in the USA I reside in.laugh


free to be obsessed too

the good and BAD of 'freedom'

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Sat 02/08/14 10:31 AM

none is asking for 'privileges'

what is being asked for IS equality, equal recognition and opportunity in RELATION to the investment of time and energy spent helping to BUILD THE NATION


I am really at a loss for all here who continue to harp on an idea that I ever suggested wanting some 'special' privilege


if a culture is not a result of its past, why do we harp on 'founding fathers' and ideals? because ones past is infinitely the reason for ones present

and the past of African americans was DIVISIVELY different in these states,,,although their contributions were not





How can you say you are asking for one thing when demanding exactly the opposite. You want to be equal but want to be separated. You don't want privileges but are asking everyone to honor a privilege.

And are you African or American, there is no Africa in the Americas. And more specifically, there is no state or possession named Africa within these united States nor even in the United States.

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Sat 02/08/14 10:32 AM
Black History Month is not about separation.
All it does is fill in the gaps in the telling of history.

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Sat 02/08/14 10:34 AM


I post these themes in an attempt to address the situation.

In the old days, it was the white separatist movement that kept the hate fires raging.

Now, with groups like panthers, NOI, people like Wright and Sharpton and all these extremists that believe WE THE PEOPLE owe them to sit on their deadasses, fanning the flame.

If they accepted their place as simply, ordinary citizens of the US, they'd lose all their SPECIAL PRIVILEGES.


why is it a problem for you though?

do Sharpton or wright or members of the noi control the hiring in this country? or the economic climate? or the educational system? or the judicial system?

why pretend to play the innocent victim of others seperatisim while continuing to imply and spew such negative hype about one group almost exclusively?

why is it of any consequence to you what their experience or views are?


why the obsession?


Absolutely it does, cause and effect, inseparable.

Dodo_David's photo
Sat 02/08/14 10:33 AM
You want to be equal but want to be separated.


Now, that is a straw-man argument.

willing2's photo
Sat 02/08/14 10:35 AM


Creative expression.
We are all free to be creative in the USA I reside in.laugh


free to be obsessed too

the good and BAD of 'freedom'

Mirror, mirror on the wall, who obsesses most of all?laugh

msharmony's photo
Sat 02/08/14 10:34 AM


none is asking for 'privileges'

what is being asked for IS equality, equal recognition and opportunity in RELATION to the investment of time and energy spent helping to BUILD THE NATION


I am really at a loss for all here who continue to harp on an idea that I ever suggested wanting some 'special' privilege


if a culture is not a result of its past, why do we harp on 'founding fathers' and ideals? because ones past is infinitely the reason for ones present

and the past of African americans was DIVISIVELY different in these states,,,although their contributions were not





How can you say you are asking for one thing when demanding exactly the opposite. You want to be equal but want to be separated. You don't want privileges but are asking everyone to honor a privilege.

And are you African or American, there is no Africa in the Americas. And more specifically, there is no state or possession named Africa within these united States nor even in the United States.


we started out SEPERATED,, didn't ask for it, we are still working towards BECOMING equal

I am African American, as I am not 'black' (of the very darkest color owing to the absence of or complete absorption of light; the opposite of white)

and don't choose to label myself as 'negro' (Spanish for black)


why should that matter to someone else?

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Sat 02/08/14 10:35 AM

Separatism is a big US problem.


And getting larger by the day. The sad part is that it is not accidental.

msharmony's photo
Sat 02/08/14 10:35 AM



I post these themes in an attempt to address the situation.

In the old days, it was the white separatist movement that kept the hate fires raging.

Now, with groups like panthers, NOI, people like Wright and Sharpton and all these extremists that believe WE THE PEOPLE owe them to sit on their deadasses, fanning the flame.

If they accepted their place as simply, ordinary citizens of the US, they'd lose all their SPECIAL PRIVILEGES.


why is it a problem for you though?

do Sharpton or wright or members of the noi control the hiring in this country? or the economic climate? or the educational system? or the judicial system?

why pretend to play the innocent victim of others seperatisim while continuing to imply and spew such negative hype about one group almost exclusively?

why is it of any consequence to you what their experience or views are?


why the obsession?


Absolutely it does, cause and effect, inseparable.


great so historical CAUSE can create current EFFECTS, that need to be addressed


glad we agre,,,,

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