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Wow...!
I can almost hear the Sex and Violins ! 
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Violins maybe! Anything else is debateable! Really debateable !
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puleazzze NO violins!!!!!
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well, this was the most short-lived romance ever.
'Not Violins!', says Eric ----->   <----- 'Not Tonight', says Missy
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no just a soft mellow sax please
 good night shiek |
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Said like a true Brit...
You should give those Saxons a rest! |
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Good Night Everybody.
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Yes...that IS ...if life has no meaning....still wondering about the patterns though...   Where the heck is Metalwing when we need him?  ...Hi ((((( Maxi )))))   I had a thousand pounds of meat to buy! It's rodeo season!!!! The REAL meaning of life is BBQ!! |
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Yes...that IS ...if life has no meaning....still wondering about the patterns though... Where the heck is Metalwing when we need him? ...Hi ((((( Maxi ))))) I had a thousand pounds of meat to buy! It's rodeo season!!!! The REAL meaning of life is BBQ!! You may be right Metalwing! lol ! |
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Yes...that IS ...if life has no meaning....still wondering about the patterns though... Where the heck is Metalwing when we need him? ...Hi ((((( Maxi ))))) I had a thousand pounds of meat to buy! It's rodeo season!!!! The REAL meaning of life is BBQ!!  Couldn't agree more and I hear yours is as good as it gets!!...Save me a bite Joe!
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The answer is 42.
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I believe Monty Python covered that...I can't remember the answer. Must re watch that!
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Well whether or not I agree with the simplification all depends upon what "it" refers to. "It" to some would be "wine, women, and song!" To some "it" would be "family". To some "it" would be "work". Even a pattern with infinite variation is still a pattern.  Not sure if I'm following here metalwing, but in the long run I think that we agree. Wine, women, and song is different for each of us? Family is different for each of us? Work is different for each of us? It seems to me that you are saying that what means the most to each of us differs from person to person, as the examples show. I would agree. But then "it" would be referring to the abstract idea of what means the most to people in their own lives. If what means the most in one's own life equates to the meaning of life in general, then we've stopped talking about life(in general) and began discussing individual lives. The question, it seems to me, is talking about life in general. That's whay I say that there is no such thing as the meaning of life. Even a pattern with infinite variation is still a pattern. Forget the life of an individual. It varies from one to another. If the light of life could be analyzed as a spectrum, as is any star, the galaxy would still show a pattern. Looking deeper, our galactic cluster would show another, much different, pattern. The strings of structure which bind our universe into strips of galactic groups show yet another. Should life be any different? Perhaps the meaning of life is as simple as "growth".  I suppose I'm working from the premiss that all meaning is attributed. Thus, the meaning of life, is the meaning that each of us attributes to it, rather than meaning which is assumed to be inherent within life itself. There is agreement it seems in some of our respective thought/belief, but it also seems to diverge. To me, there is no meaning that doesn't consist entirely of thought/belief. Therefore, prior to agents capable of thought/belief, there could be no meaning. |
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Well whether or not I agree with the simplification all depends upon what "it" refers to. "It" to some would be "wine, women, and song!" To some "it" would be "family". To some "it" would be "work". Even a pattern with infinite variation is still a pattern. Not sure if I'm following here metalwing, but in the long run I think that we agree. Wine, women, and song is different for each of us? Family is different for each of us? Work is different for each of us? It seems to me that you are saying that what means the most to each of us differs from person to person, as the examples show. I would agree. But then "it" would be referring to the abstract idea of what means the most to people in their own lives. If what means the most in one's own life equates to the meaning of life in general, then we've stopped talking about life(in general) and began discussing individual lives. The question, it seems to me, is talking about life in general. That's whay I say that there is no such thing as the meaning of life. Even a pattern with infinite variation is still a pattern. Forget the life of an individual. It varies from one to another. If the light of life could be analyzed as a spectrum, as is any star, the galaxy would still show a pattern. Looking deeper, our galactic cluster would show another, much different, pattern. The strings of structure which bind our universe into strips of galactic groups show yet another. Should life be any different? Perhaps the meaning of life is as simple as "growth". I suppose I'm working from the premiss that all meaning is attributed. Thus, the meaning of life, is the meaning that each of us attributes to it, rather than meaning which is assumed to be inherent within life itself. There is agreement it seems in some of our respective thought/belief, but it also seems to diverge. To me, there is no meaning that doesn't consist entirely of thought/belief. Therefore, prior to agents capable of thought/belief, there could be no meaning. Ignoring self awareness, wouldn't "growth" give a universal meaning to all life forms. They all "want' to live, procreate, expand their territory! As the more complex lifeforms, with the ability to think, "live" by expanding their pleasure, making friends in a social environment even if you are a mammal or a bird. Even if we limit the lifeforms considered to more complex creatures of self awareness, wouldn't growth explain our need to expand our knowledge, pleasure, and experiences? We may all grow in different ways but it would seem that the need to expand knowledge, spirituality, love,and other constructs of the conscious mind would be a universal denominator of life. Perhaps "hunger" would be a better choice for a descriptor word, for the universal meaning of life as we all hunger for meaning in a conscious and unconscious way for all the concepts discussed above. Alas, I am back to BBQ again!
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I believe Monty Python covered that...I can't remember the answer. Must re watch that! Monty Python is my oracle. That's where I get all my knowledge. 
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I believe Monty Python covered that...I can't remember the answer. Must re watch that! Monty Python is my oracle. That's where I get all my knowledge. Some things in life are bad They can really make you mad Other things just make you swear and curse When you're chewing on life's gristle Don't grumble, give a whistle And this'll help things turn out for the best... And... ...always look on the bright side of life... (Whistle) Always look on the light side of life... (Whistle) If life seems jolly rotten There's something you've forgotten And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing When you're feeling in the dumps Don't be silly chumps Just purse your lips and whistle - that's the thing. And...always look on the bright side of life... (Whistle) Come on. Always look on the right side of life... (Whistle) For life is quite absurd And death's the final word You must always face the curtain with a bow Forget about your sin - give the audience a grin Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow. So always look on the bright side of death... (Whistle) a-Just before you draw your terminal breath... (Whistle) Life's a piece of ****, when you look at it Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true You'll see its all a show, keep 'em laughin as you go Just remember that the last laugh is on you And... Always look on the bright side of life... (Whistle) Always look on the right side of life... C'mon Brian, cheer up Always look on the bright side of life... Always look on the bright side of life... Worse things happen at sea you know. I mean - what have you got to lose? You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing. What have you lost? Nothing. Always look on the right side (I mean) of life... what have you got to lose? You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing. What have you lost? Always (Nothing.) look on the right side of life... Nothing will come from nothing ya know what they say? Cheer up ya old bugga c'mon give us a grin! There ya go, see! Always look on the right side of life... (Cheer up ya old bugga c'mon give us a grin! At same time) There ya go, see! Read more: Monty Python - Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life Lyrics | MetroLyrics |
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I believe Monty Python covered that...I can't remember the answer. Must re watch that! Monty Python is my oracle. That's where I get all my knowledge. [/quote Of course! I was thinking, too, of Monty Python's The Meaning of Life. I owned a copy years ago but sadly lost. Haven't watched it in years. I'm trying to remember how it ended... |
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Heck yeah. Monty Python and George Carlin.
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Metalwing:Ignoring self awareness, wouldn't "growth" give a universal meaning to all life forms. They all "want' to live, procreate, expand their territory! As the more complex lifeforms, with the ability to think, "live" by expanding their pleasure, making friends in a social environment even if you are a mammal or a bird. Well, I don't think that growth itself gives meaning to anything at all. Every example of giving meaning that we have at our disposal is of a human giving meaning. That doesn't mean that only humans can do it, but I think that saying that anything other than humans can do it requires some kind of strong justification. Even if we limit the lifeforms considered to more complex creatures of self awareness, wouldn't growth explain our need to expand our knowledge, pleasure, and experiences? I don't see how growth shoulders such an explanatory burden. We may all grow in different ways but it would seem that the need to expand knowledge, spirituality, love,and other constructs of the conscious mind would be a universal denominator of life. This can't be true. There are too many folk who do not believe in things such as spirituality. Some others do not believe in knowledge, love or many other constructs of the conscious mind. Many folk do not even believe in such a thing as minds. Given all that, I see no reason to think that what you've called "a universal denominator" qualifies meets the criterion for being one. Perhaps "hunger" would be a better choice for a descriptor word, for the universal meaning of life as we all hunger for meaning in a conscious and unconscious way for all the concepts discussed above. To say that "the universal meaning of life is we all hunger for meaning" falls prey to being a bit meaningless in the same way that A=A is literally meaningless. Meaning requires distinction to be drawn and maintained. To use the term "meaning" as a description of what meaning is doesn't qualify as an acceptable explanation. BBQ is always good!
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