Lets post the name of that page that was linked and have a big laugh.....

"" The Rachel Maddow Show / The MaddowBlog""

Too soon to gloat Mortimer.

Right, because all those doom and gloom predictions were really about destroying the economy in 15 years?

The trends are clearly going up, and the states that refused the Medicaid expansion won't get back those $billions they rejected (thanks, Texas).

Yes, but can you refute the facts of the article? The Republican Lawmakers were wrong on nearly every point they've ever made against Obamacare.

Today is ObamaCare’s 5th birthday, the
most partisan major law ever passed, and
it was done so by a president using
procedural tricks, lies so expansive the
word “Nixonian” doesn’t do them justice,
and a complicit and corrupt mainstream
media that protected rather than vetted it .
Like most on the hard-left, President
Obama doesn’t understand America, and he
surely doesn’t understand Americans. This
is why he and his ilk foolishly believed
that once the law was enacted it would
grow in popularity. What a folly.
According to the most recent polls, a
majority (by a huge +9.5% margin) of the
American people want the boondoggle
repealed. Disapproval is up almost 5 points
since the first poll of the law taken back in
2009 .
The American people hate ObamaCare
because they are Americans, and
Americans don’t believe it is the
government’s place to coerce them into
buying something. Moreover, after decades
of evidence, we also know that everything
the federal government touches goes to
hell.
Five years on, here are five reasons why
ObamaCare still sucks:
1. Premiums are 24.4% Higher Than They
Would Have Been Without ObamaCare:
The most vulnerable in the insurance
market, those in the individual ObamaCare
market who are not covered through their
employers or another form of group
insurance, are getting killed with premium
increases. Keep in mind, millions of these
ObamaCare victims were already insured
and happy with that insurance. After
serially-lying to them with false
reassurances, Obama had their policies
canceled and forced them into the
ObamaCare exchanges.
This not only juices ObamaCare’s
enrollment figures in a way that makes the
“beneficiaries” look much higher than they
really are (and ObamaCare more successful
than it really is at covering the uninsured),
it is effectively a massive redistribution of
wealth.
NYDN:
“In the Obama administration,”
candidate Obama boasted in 2008,
“we’ll lower premiums by up to
$2,500 for a typical family in a year.”
Not quite. A recent report from the
National Bureau of Economic Research
examined the non-group marketplace,
where families and individuals who
don’t get coverage through work shop
for insurance. The report concluded
that 2014 premiums were 24.4%
higher than they would have been
without Obamacare.
2. Less Choice For Patients: From 1232
Private Market Insurers To 310
Prior to ObamaCare, the individual
insurance market (non-group, non-
employer) offered a wealth of choices and
health care options. ObamaCare has
devastated that market, and with it the
quality of health care. Keep in mind, the
cost of premiums and deductibles have
increased as choice and competition
collapsed.
NYDN:
The Government Accountability Office
reports that insurers have left the
market in droves. In 2013, 1,232
carriers offered insurance coverage
in the individual market. By 2015,
that number had shrunk to 310. …
Patients may also have fewer doctors
to pick from. More than 60% of
doctors plan to retire earlier than
anticipated — by 2016 or sooner,
according to Deloitte. The Physicians
Foundation reported in the fall that
nearly half of the 20,000 doctors who
responded to their survey —
especially those with more experience
— considered Obamacare’s reforms a
failure.
3. Deficit Exploded to $1.2 Trillion with a
“T”
Forget the original lies that ObamaCare
would be deficit neutral , or even cut the
deficit. The ObamaCare deficit is now in
the trillions.
NYDN:
This month, the CBO estimated the
law’s 10-year cost will reach $1.2
trillion — a far cry from the
President’s initial promise of $940
billion.
4. Media and Government Lying About
ObamaCare Expanding Coverage to
Millions
You keep hearing about how ObamaCare is
covering millions, when it really isn’t. A
huge majority of those the White House
and its media throne-sniffers are
advertising as “newly-insured” are in fact
victims of cancelled policies who were
forced into the ObamaCare exchanges. They
already had insurance and are therefore
not “newly insured.”
Even some of those “newly insured” under
ObamaCare’s expansion of Medicaid were
once paying for their own insurance. Now
they are on the government dole.
NYDN:
Further, as many as 89% of the
Americans who signed up for
Obamacare when the exchanges
opened in 2013 already had
insurance. In other words, many
exchange enrollees simply switched
from one plan to another.
5. ObamaCare’s Deductibles Are Killing
Families
One of the great untold stories about
ObamaCare is that while ObamaCare has
skyrocketed premium costs in the
individual market, deductibles have also
increased. ObamaCare is really nothing
more than catastrophic insurance priced
like regular insurance.
This year, ObamaCare’s lower-priced
bronze plans have a $5181 individual
deductible and $10,545 family deductible.
The more expensive silver plan has a
$2927 individual deductible and $6010
family deductible.
On top of your monthly premiums, the
deductible is the amount you have to pay
out-of-pocket before your insurance kicks
in. The last time I looked, if I enrolled in
ObamaCare, my out-of-pocket expenses
(premiums plus deductible) would exceed
$8,000 before insurance started paying
anything.
One result of this is has been an increase
over the last 5 years of the percentage of
people who put off treatment due to cost.
Unless something catastrophic happens to
you, in most cases, you are still paying out
of pocket for all of your health care. On
top of that you are paying for premiums
that are doing you absolutely no good. It’s
just free money for the insurance
companies.
Also, when you are insured, your out-
pocket expenses are usually higher. Most
health care outlets offer steep discounts for
the uninsured.
Basically, ObamaCare is nothing more than
a massive tax increase disguised as
insurance; a massive financial boon to the
same big insurance companies Democrats
have demonized for years; a massive
redistribution of wealth that primarily
soaks the middle class while diminishing
their quality of health care.
In summation: The ObamaCare victims
vastly outweigh the beneficiaries. It is not
even close.

Don't know how to just post a link?

Right, because all those doom and gloom predictions were really about destroying the economy in 15 years?

The trends are clearly going up, and the states that refused the Medicaid expansion won't get back those $billions they rejected (thanks, Texas).

As still another major hospital in support of aiding the poor is being closed by a liberal Demoncrap in California who is running for the US Senate and has the support of the union.....which killed the deal to keep the hospital open.

17,000 employees stand to lose their jobs and pensions as St Vincent, a not-for-profit hospital in support of the poor is being closed by more liberal politics, with union support, and the policies under Obozocare!

Get a clue Mort!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/23/5-reasons-why-on-its-5th-anniversary-obamacare-still-sucks/

There we go.....now both sides have their "facts" presented. Now...each citizen needs to take stock of how the ACA has effected them personally.
For me, my plan must not have covered lube.....because they went in deep....and dry. I, and millions of others couldnt care any more less about so called "facts" that are only used to further each side's narrative.

So, to summarize, your [their] arguments are
1. Premiums are 24% higher than they would've been without Obamacare
2. Only 310 insurers now instead of 1232 before --less choice in the marketplace
3. Deficit exploded to $1.2T instead of the original claim of $940B
4. Media & Government are lying about expanding coverage to millions
5. Obamacare deductibles are killing families

Except, 1) Premiums have not gone up 24% on average for the same care. That 24% figure is comparing current policies to previous policies with lifetime caps and higher deductibles. For like coverage, the increases have been 4%. Less in several areas.

2) You may have a point about the fewer insurance choices under Obamacare. I couldn't find independent information on that, but it makes sense in a cursory glance. The exchanges really have just four types of plans, and multiply that times the number of insurers in each state, and you only have a few hundred. Before Obamacare, it was much harder to figure or compare plans. You could pick and choose huge deductibles or low lifetime caps, which simply aren't available anymore.

3) The "explosion" is a falsehood. That $940B price was for the first 6 years. the $1.2T cost is for 10 years. Not surprising that Forbes.com wants to ignore the difference. Also, that 1.2T is $142B less than originally projected by the CBO. So, no, Obamacare's not costing more than expected.
but even non-governmental organizations found that 57% of Obamacare enrollees were not previously insured.

5) It's true that premiums are still high, and if your family makes too much each year to be eligible for the subsidies, then paying the premiums will take a bite out of savings. However, with premiums rising at a much slower pace, we're still better off, and you can cry about health insurance costs, but compare that to the cost of even a single accident. Sure, you could pay $20K each year in premiums, but a single surgery could cost you $50K without insurance. Cancer treatment could cost that much each month. You decide.

President Obama forces Republican Politicians to eat their own words

You can read the article, but basically, on the 5-year anniversary on the passage of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) Republican predictions have been shown to be wrong:

1. Obamacare wasn't unpopular
2. Its enrollment goals were exceeded
3. Insurers were, in fact, happy to join the exchanges
4. Obamacare didn't ruin the economy
5. Almost all the enrollees completed their purchase and paid their premiums
6. The premiums didn't skyrocket, and stayed roughly the same
7. It didn't just help the people who already had health insurance
8. There was no "overall net loss" of coverage
9. Obamacare is costing way less than originally projected
10. Despite Republican fearmongering, the new insurance plans are widely popular

Why don't we just have a complete government takeover of all health care. Look at how great the VA is. That is a government run system. Then again, if more veterans would have just had the common decency to be KIA, maybe there wouldn't be such a backlog.