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Edited by
2OLD2MESSAROUND
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2old2 stated >>> Alaska - demographics is entirely unique to what my rural area would compare too; so that would be apple to oranges and our jobs and opportunities would be a non- comparative! Just a lot of variables in this 'living wage' issue --- but it needs a 'FIX' because ignoring it just pushes that many more AMERICANS out onto our assistance programs and those programs are the same ones that get the budget cuts FIRST! RebelArcher stated >>> Meh....there is already a "fix". Metropolises like NYC can already raise the minimum wage if they want to. There is no need to force that same wage on a smaller community like mine where it would have adverse effects on small business labor cost Minimum wage increases dont just effect the lowest guy on the totem pole. Lets say that guy gets his minimum wage forced to $15/hr....what about the guy who was already making that wage? Dontcha think he is now gonna want a bump also? Maybe a better fix is, instead of forcing a pay increase on small business, give them tax breaks.....BIG tax breaks. Contrary to what certain people believe, the small business owners I know WANT to grow....and I firmly believe thats what the majority of small businesses in America want to do. So, make it easier for them to do so. And with that growth of a particular small business comes more jobs.....and not minimum wage ones either. But hell, lets be honest....this whole "raise the minimum wage" thing isnt about helping a fellow man out....its abt a certain political party wanting to be able to say "Look what I did.....now vote for me". Yes, what you described is certainly going to happen; happened to me while employed with the City of Olathe for 7 years. They hired a wage consulting firm to come in and do an audit because we were having such a turn over for staff: police/fire/EMT/office administrators/code enforcement/sanitation/line maintenance/clerical --- took them 3 months to do the audit and then they published their findings! Shock --- just for the surrounding Johnson County Area - Olathe was underpaying straight across the board about $2.75 an/hour per job description - some positions were even worse! So the city council voted and a immediate salary modification was going to be voted in - the kicker was it wasn't going to do anything for us current employees but anyone 'NEW HIRE' would be coming in at the higher starting salary! Hell, it was almost cost affective to quit and try to get your job back at a $2. a/hr increase then to just stay on at what we were making --- lots of unhappy people! But what was a employ to do---they didn't make it retroactive - not even for a year in arrears! Certainly, there are some municipalities/job skills/small businesses that are paying above the minimum wage scale now and there are quite a few that are not. There are plenty of maps that denote the wage scale value differences across America that show the cost of living variances in America as well --- do we force those poor folks that can't get a full time job into earning less because they aren't WORTHY of more money; and yet we don't want them on WELFARE either...that's quite the 'CATCH 22' isn't it? |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Mon 04/20/15 08:07 AM
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One thing for sure...... More regulations, laws and govt involvement to an already crony capitalist system is NOT the answer! Small business, unskilled workers, taxpayers and the economy take the "hit" while the mega Corps take even more bailouts others aren't entitled to. Govt and more laws/regulations are NOT the answer! THEY ARE THE PROBLEM! 
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This is pretty simple.. If the wages are raised to $15 an hour then they will raise their hiring standards and only give jobs to people they deem are worth paying that wage to.
If you have 5 applicants that are in college and 5 applicants that didn't graduate HS who do think is getting the job? You are going to squeeze out the people that need these jobs. $8.25 sucks, but it is better than ZERO which is where these people are headed. |
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$15 and hour is about $32,000 a year.
Here are some other salaries. Real Estate Leasing Agent or Baker Does the real estate leasing agent eating the scone earn more than the baker who made it? The average job salaries for mid-career bakers range around $34,044, 19 percent higher than the typical salary of $27,553 for a mid-career real estate leasing agent. Bank Teller or Auto Mechanic Who makes more - the one at the bank's drive thru window or the one who fixed your car so you could get there? The average job salaries for mid-career auto mechanics range around $41,136, 47 percent higher than the typical salary of $21,714 for a mid-career bank teller. Detective or Paramedic Between the guy who went to the aid of the victim and the guy who found the victim's killer, who makes more? The average job salaries for mid-career detectives range around $56,869, 30 percent higher than the typical salary of $39,570 for a mid-career paramedic. Reference Librarian or HVAC Mechanic So who makes more - the one who can help you research indoor climate control or the one who can fix it? The average job salaries for mid-career HVAC mechanics range around $50,980, 13 percent higher than the typical salary of $44,473for a mid-career reference librarian. High School Teacher or Waste Disposal Manager Both careers will survive any economic downturn, but which pays more? Average job salaries for mid-career waste disposal managers range around $47,900, 9 percent higher than the typical salary of $43,564 for a mid-career high school teacher. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 04/20/15 05:05 PM
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metal, I think the common thread in those examples
,with the exception of waste disposal which ANYONE could do but most wouldnt WANT to do, is the higher pay is in fields where people have the opportunity to get paid for their work, and not for what the clock says,,,, and they also have a skill which doesn't require an 'employer' middle person to earn their income, they are able to work directly with their customers,,, employers will rip us off, more than customers will, because they can do so in the name of profit,, whereas customers just want a job well done at a reasonable price based upon the quality of the work and also factor in the benefits that come with an employer compared to those which are self purchased with trades , as well as how often the work is done,, for instance, teachers have ALOT of time off during the year, including the whole summer, whereas trash collectors,, not so much |
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InvictusV stated >>> This is pretty simple.. If the wages are raised to $15 an hour then they will raise their hiring standards and only give jobs to people they deem are worth paying that wage to. If you have 5 applicants that are in college and 5 applicants that didn't graduate HS who do think is getting the job? You are going to squeeze out the people that need these jobs. $8.25 sucks, but it is better than ZERO which is where these people are headed. Not hardly; hasn't happened in the past when the job market got pinched and unemployment shot sky high --- white collar humans were just as apt to be shoved out of 'ANY JOB' opportunity because they're over qualified for those 'BLUE COLLAR/BURGER FLIPPING' jobs...they wouldn't even get called in for an interview! Sad but that's what HR is told to do! |
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InvictusV stated >>> This is pretty simple.. If the wages are raised to $15 an hour then they will raise their hiring standards and only give jobs to people they deem are worth paying that wage to. If you have 5 applicants that are in college and 5 applicants that didn't graduate HS who do think is getting the job? You are going to squeeze out the people that need these jobs. $8.25 sucks, but it is better than ZERO which is where these people are headed. Not hardly; hasn't happened in the past when the job market got pinched and unemployment shot sky high --- white collar humans were just as apt to be shoved out of 'ANY JOB' opportunity because they're over qualified for those 'BLUE COLLAR/BURGER FLIPPING' jobs...they wouldn't even get called in for an interview! Sad but that's what HR is told to do! Hiring managers want to hire people who will stick around for awhile. An "over-qualified" white-collar person might abandon a blue-collar job as soon as possible. |
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Bring in the Burgerbots!
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Bring in the Burgerbots! I hear that Rosie is looking for a job.  
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metal, I think the common thread in those examples ,with the exception of waste disposal which ANYONE could do but most wouldnt WANT to do, is the higher pay is in fields where people have the opportunity to get paid for their work, and not for what the clock says,,,, and they also have a skill which doesn't require an 'employer' middle person to earn their income, they are able to work directly with their customers,,, employers will rip us off, more than customers will, because they can do so in the name of profit,, whereas customers just want a job well done at a reasonable price based upon the quality of the work and also factor in the benefits that come with an employer compared to those which are self purchased with trades , as well as how often the work is done,, for instance, teachers have ALOT of time off during the year, including the whole summer, whereas trash collectors,, not so much The Detective may be the only one in the example that doesn't work for someone. Most Mechanics don't own their own shop, paramedics work for a hospital, real estate agents typically work for an agency, etc. |
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Bring in the Burgerbots! I hear that Rosie is looking for a job. 
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InvictusV stated >>> This is pretty simple.. If the wages are raised to $15 an hour then they will raise their hiring standards and only give jobs to people they deem are worth paying that wage to. If you have 5 applicants that are in college and 5 applicants that didn't graduate HS who do think is getting the job? You are going to squeeze out the people that need these jobs. $8.25 sucks, but it is better than ZERO which is where these people are headed. Not hardly; hasn't happened in the past when the job market got pinched and unemployment shot sky high --- white collar humans were just as apt to be shoved out of 'ANY JOB' opportunity because they're over qualified for those 'BLUE COLLAR/BURGER FLIPPING' jobs...they wouldn't even get called in for an interview! Sad but that's what HR is told to do! What does this have to do with the job market being pinched? Employers forced to pay higher wages are going to hire people they think are going to give an equal return for the salary they are paying. And the statistics show that during the financial crisis people with advanced degrees did not even remotely come close to the high unemployment numbers that the unskilled endured. Nice try.. |
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InvictusV stated >>> This is pretty simple.. If the wages are raised to $15 an hour then they will raise their hiring standards and only give jobs to people they deem are worth paying that wage to. If you have 5 applicants that are in college and 5 applicants that didn't graduate HS who do think is getting the job? You are going to squeeze out the people that need these jobs. $8.25 sucks, but it is better than ZERO which is where these people are headed. Not hardly; hasn't happened in the past when the job market got pinched and unemployment shot sky high --- white collar humans were just as apt to be shoved out of 'ANY JOB' opportunity because they're over qualified for those 'BLUE COLLAR/BURGER FLIPPING' jobs...they wouldn't even get called in for an interview! Sad but that's what HR is told to do! Hiring managers want to hire people who will stick around for awhile. An "over-qualified" white-collar person might abandon a blue-collar job as soon as possible. Service sector businesses have a high turnover rate as it is. A college kid is not 'over-qualified'. Not to mention that what you think qualifies a person at $8.25 is not what they will think qualifies a person at $15. |
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$15 and hour is about $32,000 a year. Here are some other salaries. Real Estate Leasing Agent or Baker Does the real estate leasing agent eating the scone earn more than the baker who made it? The average job salaries for mid-career bakers range around $34,044, 19 percent higher than the typical salary of $27,553 for a mid-career real estate leasing agent. Bank Teller or Auto Mechanic Who makes more - the one at the bank's drive thru window or the one who fixed your car so you could get there? The average job salaries for mid-career auto mechanics range around $41,136, 47 percent higher than the typical salary of $21,714 for a mid-career bank teller. Detective or Paramedic Between the guy who went to the aid of the victim and the guy who found the victim's killer, who makes more? The average job salaries for mid-career detectives range around $56,869, 30 percent higher than the typical salary of $39,570 for a mid-career paramedic. Reference Librarian or HVAC Mechanic So who makes more - the one who can help you research indoor climate control or the one who can fix it? The average job salaries for mid-career HVAC mechanics range around $50,980, 13 percent higher than the typical salary of $44,473for a mid-career reference librarian. High School Teacher or Waste Disposal Manager Both careers will survive any economic downturn, but which pays more? Average job salaries for mid-career waste disposal managers range around $47,900, 9 percent higher than the typical salary of $43,564 for a mid-career high school teacher. not sure where you are getting your salaries but my mom made more than that teaching Senior English in the 80s |
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$ 15.00 an hour = $ 32,000 Gross pay per year....for a man with a wife and 1 kid...
lets take a look at his monthly budget.... 32k minus 20% (6,400) for income tax = 25,600 Net yearly = 2,133 per month...out of this figure must come all of these expenses..... 2,133 minus 800 rent/mortgage........leaves 1,333 ..........minus 300 util/water................leaves 1,033 ..........minus 400 food for three.........leaves....633 ..........minus 200 car pmt/+gas ........leaves.....433 ..........minus 100 clothing/toiletries....leaves....333 ..........minus.. 50 car insurance.........leaves.....283 ..........minus 100 health ins...............leaves.....183 ..........minus...83 savings plan..........leaves......100 $ 100.00 a month is all that is left for any incidentals for a family of three....my estimates are very conservative (especially the health ins w/high deductibles) so if you care to argue one of the other costs as too high, just add it to the health ins, because it is way, way on the low side....imo $15 an hour is a livable wage for a man woman and child...i would readily agree to maybe $10-11 an hour for a single person.. the present $ 7.50 per hour/$15,300 annual gross wage is inadequate and should be raised to reflect the cost of living in 2015... |
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$ 15.00 an hour = $ 32,000 Gross pay per year....for a man with a wife and 1 kid... lets take a look at his monthly budget.... 32k minus 20% (6,400) for income tax = 25,600 Net yearly = 2,133 per month...out of this figure must come all of these expenses..... 2,133 minus 800 rent/mortgage........leaves 1,333 ..........minus 300 util/water................leaves 1,033 ..........minus 400 food for three.........leaves....633 ..........minus 200 car pmt/+gas ........leaves.....433 ..........minus 100 clothing/toiletries....leaves....333 ..........minus.. 50 car insurance.........leaves.....283 ..........minus 100 health ins...............leaves.....183 ..........minus...83 savings plan..........leaves......100 $ 100.00 a month is all that is left for any incidentals for a family of three....my estimates are very conservative (especially the health ins w/high deductibles) so if you care to argue one of the other costs as too high, just add it to the health ins, because it is way, way on the low side....imo $15 an hour is a livable wage for a man woman and child...i would readily agree to maybe $10-11 an hour for a single person.. the present $ 7.50 per hour/$15,300 annual gross wage is inadequate and should be raised to reflect the cost of living in 2015... no offense, but where are you living where 200 dollars covers car payment and gas? |
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They way I see it is...if they can get it good for them! I'll quit my job and join them!
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Edited by
alleoops
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Mon 04/20/15 08:13 PM
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$ 15.00 an hour = $ 32,000 Gross pay per year....for a man with a wife and 1 kid... lets take a look at his monthly budget.... 32k minus 20% (6,400) for income tax = 25,600 Net yearly = 2,133 per month...out of this figure must come all of these expenses..... 2,133 minus 800 rent/mortgage........leaves 1,333 ..........minus 300 util/water................leaves 1,033 ..........minus 400 food for three.........leaves....633 ..........minus 200 car pmt/+gas ........leaves.....433 ..........minus 100 clothing/toiletries....leaves....333 ..........minus.. 50 car insurance.........leaves.....283 ..........minus 100 health ins...............leaves.....183 ..........minus...83 savings plan..........leaves......100 $ 100.00 a month is all that is left for any incidentals for a family of three....my estimates are very conservative (especially the health ins w/high deductibles) so if you care to argue one of the other costs as too high, just add it to the health ins, because it is way, way on the low side....imo $15 an hour is a livable wage for a man woman and child...i would readily agree to maybe $10-11 an hour for a single person.. the present $ 7.50 per hour/$15,300 annual gross wage is inadequate and should be raised to reflect the cost of living in 2015... Who would take a minimum paying job with those kind of expenses? The problem comes when we expect to have everything before we work for it. These should be on the back burner for newbys. |
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no offense, but where are you living where 200 dollars covers car payment and gas? i'm in the dfw/ftw metroplex.....you can get a new no frills toyota/hundai.kia type compact for $120 a mon...and $20 bucks a week for gas....if your credit is okay... or there are plenty of used car places where your job is your credit...but advise against that..(high interest and expect the repair bills to start rolling in pretty quick) |
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$ 15.00 an hour = $ 32,000 Gross pay per What, the wife isnt working also? Chauvanist! year....for a man with a wife and 1 kid... lets take a look at his monthly budget.... Im just kidding lol But what about all the govt assistance they wld be approved for? Serious question....IDK. My only point wld be to not get married.....or definitely not have a kid while making minimum wage or $15/hr. I know theyre are extreme exeptions, but still....there is some personal responsibilty involved. |
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