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Making that worse; Bush (younger) then started an unnecessary War. That is something that never happened before... |
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Then there is Rubio...... Another a$$hat! I'm in FL, and I still don't support this little wannabe suckup! Senator Rubio is fighting to give Barack Obama backdoor access to your firearm sales records! In fact, not only is Senator Rubio OK with it, he's DEMANDING the rest of the U.S. Senate rubber stamp an extension of the anti-gun law that could allow for it. It's really not that surprising. I'm talking specifically about the so-called "PATRIOT Act" which contains anti-gun provisions. Since he got to the U.S. Senate in 2011, Marco Rubio has voted to extend the "PATRIOT Act" every chance he's had. Now, the U.S. Senate only has a few days left before these anti-gun provisions expire, and they could vote again real soon. They should just let the anti-gun and anti-freedom law expire entirely. But Senator Rubio is helping anti-gunners in both parties RAM it through, and he's REFUSING to support any pro-gun amendments to fix the anti-gun provisions of the law. |
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"when you are WRONG -" 2A About your gender? If I've made an error on anything of substance, I'll gladly address it. a) You make no great effort to make your gender known. And what little effort it would take from me to figure it out simply isn't worth my time. b) It doesn't take much effort, as I have demonstrated. Do you have any question of my gender? c) I would only have known your claim to gender if I'd checked your profile, and you have provided absolutely no incentive whatsoever for me to do so. To the contrary. I wouldn't waste my time. If you wish to propose the wording of an apology you believe I cyber-owe you, you're welcome to post it. If it fully meets 100% of my requirements, I'll cyber-sign it. IV, The fact that the Titanic sank does not diminish the pain of loss of the Lusitania. Bush made a mistake? Fine. But Bush LIED U.S. into War. Bush LIED!! "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt, that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." U.S. President Bush (the younger) televised address to the U.S. March 17th, 2003 That's an outright LIE !! How could it be possible to leave "no doubt" about something that simply isn't true? Bush lied. And ~4,500 of U.S. died. And before he left office, just for good measure, he brought upon U.S. the worst economic recession since the Great Depression. Bush pretended to be conservative, but implemented his own economic stimulus / rescue package; his $700 $Billion $Dollar $TARP. If U.S. President Bush (younger) is what the Republicans have to offer, I'll just keep voting Conservative, or Libertarian. |
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"when you are WRONG -" 2A About your gender? If I've made an error on anything of substance, I'll gladly address it. a) You make no great effort to make your gender known. And what little effort it would take from me to figure it out simply isn't worth my time. b) It doesn't take much effort, as I have demonstrated. Do you have any question of my gender? c) I would only have known your claim to gender if I'd checked your profile, and you have provided absolutely no incentive whatsoever for me to do so. To the contrary. I wouldn't waste my time. If you wish to propose the wording of an apology you believe I cyber-owe you, you're welcome to post it. If it fully meets 100% of my requirements, I'll cyber-sign it. IV, The fact that the Titanic sank does not diminish the pain of loss of the Lusitania. Bush made a mistake? Fine. But Bush LIED U.S. into War. Bush LIED!! "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt, that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." U.S. President Bush (the younger) televised address to the U.S. March 17th, 2003 That's an outright LIE !! How could it be possible to leave "no doubt" about something that simply isn't true? Bush lied. And ~4,500 of U.S. died. And before he left office, just for good measure, he brought upon U.S. the worst economic recession since the Great Depression. Bush pretended to be conservative, but implemented his own economic stimulus / rescue package; his $700 $Billion $Dollar $TARP. If U.S. President Bush (younger) is what the Republicans have to offer, I'll just keep voting Conservative, or Libertarian. Voting either an (R) or (D) nothing much changes other than who profits more. The Unions or the war machine. Their agendas are otherwise pretty much the same Rand leans Libertarian but if he ran as a third party candidate the duopoly wouldn't let him play in their game.... like they did his father..... a media blackout, unless it was to blackball! 
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Yes SS,
I'm a "card carrying Libertarian". Rand's pappy Ron got the '88 LP.org nomination. I've enthusiastically voted Libertarian, and was never more engaged with any candidate than Andre Marrou in 1992. But the "non-partisan" debate commission, which just by chance has ZERO 3rd party members on it; have set the threshold for admittance to candidate debates above what 3rd party candidates can achieve; effectively locking up the Washington political duopoly. A political candidate as good as Marrou would mop the floor with Dems & Reps. The following excerpted from U.S. Presidential candidate Libertarian Andre Marrou's 1992 stump speech.
The annual subsidy for each American dairy cow is between $600-$700 dollars a year. This is greater than the per capita income of half of the worlds population. And what do we get for that? We get a price for milk and other dairy products that's double the world's level. Who does this impinge on? Primarily poor people with children. Rich people could care less what the price of milk is. Poor people without children, they don't use much milk. It's the poor people with children who are primarily hurt by this. #1: Repeal the personal income tax, and abolish the IRS, sell the IRS buildings, release the tax protesters from prison, burn all the tax records, and declare a national holiday on April 15. #2: Expand free enterprise. We need more jobs, greater economic growth. #3: Restore gun ownership rights, we need to trust people and beware of government. #4: Limit Congressional terms, we need citizen statesmen, not professional politicians. #5: Bring our troops back home to defend the United States. ... Just bringing them home without reducing their numbers will save between $50 - $100 $B a year. #6: Enact the Fully Informed Jury Amendment. We need to try laws and defendants. #7: End all tax finance subsidies, including those for harmful drugs. #8: Stop hiring federal employees, let attrition cut the bureaucracy. ... 7% - 10% retire, resign, or die every year, after 4 years you've gotten rid of between 28% - 40% of the federal bureaucracy. You haven't hurt anybody, you haven't added to unemployment. But it does take a little bit of intelligence and a little bit of courage, so therefore it's not going to be done by the Democrats and Republicans. #9: Cease foreign aid, stop penalizing our workers. #10: Privatize education, charitize welfare, and allow a choice in all matters. ______________________________________________ In 1992 Libertarian candidate for U.S. President Andre Marrou included in his campaign stump speech: "Repeal the personal income tax, and abolish the IRS, sell the IRS buildings, release the tax protesters from prison, burn all the tax records, and declare a national holiday on April 15." Marrou Candidate Marrou was asked at a 1992 campaign fund-raiser how U.S. federal government could be funded if the IRS were actually abolished. Marrou responded: "... the income tax only brings in about a third of federal revenues. That leaves us two thirds to operate the government on. Now; the two thirds of the budget this year is equal to an entire budget how many years ago? Most people will guess like 1949, 1962. The answer is just 1985, seven years ago. All we have to do to get rid of the personal income tax is to get rid of the excessive government that the Democrats and Republicans have created during just the past seven years. It is that easy, it would be pretty easy to do. But as I've mentioned before it would require intelligence and courage. Now what do we ... operate the government on? The basic, original Constitution has 4 taxes in it that supported the government of the United States roughly until 1913, when the Democrats & Republicans gave us the income tax. We can utilize those taxes. I think they're called excises, tariffs, imposts, and duties. And that is what supported the government until then.” "... the United States is increasingly socialistic under the Democrats & Republicans. The Democrats are essentially left wing socialists. The Republicans are right wing socialists. How do you define socialism? More money to government, more power to government, more bureaucrats, and more regulations, and on and on ... . The federal government spends 25% of the Gross National Product. State, county, and local government spend another 22%. That's 47% of the Gross National Product of this country being spent by the government bureaucrats primarily on themselves. That leaves 53% in your pockets. You're the people who earn it. 47% vs 53%; how can we get your 53% up to 90%? One and only one way, we must reduce the 47% the government spends, down to 10%. That is the only way it can be done. Individual Liberty is diametrically opposed to governmental power. "We Libertarians clearly see that government power is opposed to individual Liberty. Increasingly the Democrats either want to mandate activity or prohibit activity. They either want to require you to do something you don't want to do, or prevent you from doing something you do want to do. The whole middle ground of individual choice combined with personal responsibility has been getting smaller and smaller. That middle ground is what we [Libertarians] want to expand. We want to allow you to do anything you want to do with your own life, provided you don't hurt or defraud anybody else." |
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2OLD2MESSAROUND
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LTme stated >>> "when you are WRONG -" 2A About your gender? If I've made an error on anything of substance, I'll gladly address it. **deleted for lack of substance/value of text ** WELCOME - and aren't you just the entire 'HAPPY MEAL DEAL' and the little toy too!  NP...lack of moral code and fortitude wasn't a prerequisite for joining; I'll not hold that personality flaw against you - but it will make my POV about substance and posts --- well I wish you luck in your 'MALE SEARCH ENDEAVORS'...I'm quite certain the woman will find a way to ignore you! TOUCH� stultorum calami carbones moenia chartae But Bush LIED U.S. into War. Bush LIED!! "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt, that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." U.S. President Bush (the younger) televised address to the U.S. March 17th, 2003 That's an outright LIE !! How could it be possible to leave "no doubt" about something that simply isn't true? Bush lied. And ~4,500 of U.S. died. And before he left office, just for good measure, he brought upon U.S. the worst economic recession since the Great Depression. Bush pretended to be conservative, but implemented his own economic stimulus / rescue package; his $700 $Billion $Dollar $TARP. If U.S. President Bush (younger) is what the Republicans have to offer, I'll just keep voting Conservative, or Libertarian. Hmmm...seems you might have forgotten how much military equipment/supplies and just general little 'STUFF' we've shipped over to Saddam Hussein {pre Desert Storm} and then what we left over there when General Norman Schwarzkopf wanted to finish his invasion and GHWB told him to 'pull out and come home!' It's feasible that there were American ammunitions/American weapons - even some sizeable big military weapons that didn't get loaded and returned to the US. But - hey...we all have an OPINION and it's what this community is founded on! 
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well,I'll be hornswoggled!
 http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2015/05/25/bob-woodward-wrong-bush-did-not-lie-us-iraq Bob Woodward: Wrong, Bush Did Not Lie Us Into Iraq By Jack Coleman | May 25, 2015 | 7:28 PM EDT Future commencement speech invitations for Beltway media eminence grise Bob Woodward effectively evaporated, at least in the Northeast, after his appearance yesterday on Fox News Sunday. Woodward, who'll be known in perpetuity as the stable half of the reporting duo who brought down Richard Nixon for a scandal that now appears paltry compared to the vast money-laundering scheme dignified under lofty title of Clinton Global Initiative, admirably did his part to puncture a sacred liberal myth -- that Bush lied and people died. As Woodward sees it, only the latter half of that equation is correct. No matter, liberals will keep muttering it, usually when they're awake, since clinging to their delusions is essential for maintaining what passes for sanity among them --keep reading.
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voting for a libertarian is the only way to fix this country. i stand with rand as well as hes the only one who actually gives a damn about the constitution. im sure the media will do whatever they can to make him look bad, as they did his father. watch the youtube video "how the media cheated ron paul out of the presidency".
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Hmmm...seems you might have forgotten how much military equipment/supplies and just general little 'STUFF' we've shipped over to Saddam Hussein {pre Desert Storm} and then what we left over there when General Norman Schwarzkopf wanted to finish his invasion and GHWB told him to 'pull out and come home!' It's feasible that there were American ammunitions/American weapons - even some sizeable big military weapons that didn't get loaded and returned to the US. But - hey...we all have an OPINION and it's what this community is founded on! flowerforyou and guess who has a lot of the equipment now? hint - ISIS ... |
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"...seems you might have forgotten how much military equipment/supplies and just general little 'STUFF' we've shipped over to Saddam Hussein {pre Desert Storm}" 2A Nope. By "{pre Desert Storm}" I deduce you're referring to the U.S. military assistance to Iraq, to help battle the Iran / Iraq War to a bloody stalemate. Those arms shipments included Anthrax. But no. My assertion was never that Iraq / Saddam never had them. Instead, the fact is, after Blix & Ritter disarmed Saddam, whatever unauthorized weapons Saddam had had before Gen. Schwarzkopf dealt with Saddam, they were removed. And the reason we KNOW they were removed is because it's been over a decade. If we haven't found any by now; with all the snooping that's been done; it's a safe bet to consider that a proved negative. If a Saddam regime WMD stockpile is found, I'll retract this assertion, with sincere contrition. Don't hold your breath. The ONLY legitimate use of WMD I know of is national defense. IF Saddam had viable WMD, not blueprints in a bunker 50 miles into the desert outside Tekrit; but WMD in inventory, the time to have used them was while the U.S. was invading. By the time our forces were strutting around Baghdad, it was conspicuously obvious Saddam did NOT have the WMD President Bush fantasized about: "Time is not on our side. I will not wait on events while dangers gather. I will not stand by as peril draws closer and closer. The United States of America will not permit the world's most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world's most destructive weapons." U.S. President Bush (the younger) in his State of the Union speech Jan. 29, 2002 "Threaten US" ?! They couldn't even defend themselves! "Threaten US" !!!  If the needless loss of human life weren't so horrific, it would be comical. ~4,500 U.S. military troops lost in Iraq, the expenditure of which has merely contributed to the severe geo-political destabilization of the region. The U.S. military invasion / occupation of Iraq was one of the worst, if not the worst U.S. military foreign policy blunders of all time. |
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The Titanic sinking didn't get us involved in world war 1 either.
On my list of US military policy blunders.... getting involved in WW1 is much much higher than Iraq. |
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Jindal Says Rand Paul 'Unsuited' to be President NBCNews.com - 37 minutes ago Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal went after Republican presidential candidate Rand Paul on Wednesday, releasing a statement saying Paul is "unsuited to be commander-in-chief" for saying foreign policy hawks in the GOP led to the rise of ISIS. LTme stated >>> Edited for space **** Four years later, in time of economic malaise a talented $money $man (Governor Romney R-MA) was again beaten by the Democrat. Senator Rand Paul (R-KY), a "tea party" favorite, is under attack by his fellow GOP's. What can be done? Is there a Republican that has the intellect, the political skill, the charisma to get the GOP ducks in a row? Edited for space**** Though it is early, which Republicans do you want to see in the first debate (limited to ten candidates). IMO - John McCain lost because the GOP didn't want his #1 choice of Joe Lieberman as his VP running mate and they didn't vet his 2nd grab bag out of that black hat names properly! Sarah Palin was a nightmare and went 'MARVERICK' from the get-go! And a bewildered/befuddled ole John McCain was gutted by his own party and the media talking heads of Rush Limbaugh and ilk! Frankly I felt sorry for the man for what he once was and the shell of a human that was left standing out there on the campaign trail looking and sounding confused! Should/would/could have been so different but the GOP has no one to blame but themselves for that disaster! As far as the Jindal - he needs to put a 'SOCK IN IT'; he's not going to be considered anyone's VP and at this rate he won't even be asked to speak at the convention! Republican Presidential Debate Caps Upend 2016 Race Limited guest list likely will force long-shot candidates to push earlier for name recognition By Reid J. Epstein/Wall Street Journal New rules that limit the number of contenders on stage during the first Republican presidential debates are likely to alter the campaign calculations for many of the GOP candidates, forcing them to try to build national name recognition months earlier than planned. Four Republicans are poised to formally announce their White House campaigns in the next 10 days, but it is virtually certain that not all of them will qualify for the party’s initial televised debates, the premier venue for introducing themselves to voters. http://www.wsj.com/articles/republican-presidential-debates-set-a-high-bar-1432586670?mod=WSJ_article_EditorsPicks_5 First primary debate, set for Aug. 6. in Cleveland: by FOX Media (only the top 10 will be invited) Jeb Bush *still on the fence - Ben Carson Scott Walker - Chris Christies Marco Rubio - Rick Perry Rand Paul - John Kasich Mike Huckabee - Carly Fiorina Ted Cruz - Lindsey Graham Bobby Jindal - Rick Santorum ************************************************ 14 candidates **counting Jeb Bush'???' I'd like to see Rand Paul, Huckabee, Carson, Santorum, Graham, Fiorina, Rubio, Bush, Walker and Jindal for the possible 10. And even though I hear Donald Trump is a 'possible'...I'm not taking him SERIOUSLY! Are any of you? I think Trump would make an amazing candidate and President. He has awesome stances on dealing with the economy, China, terrorism and foreign policy. |
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Jindal Says Rand Paul 'Unsuited' to be President NBCNews.com - 37 minutes ago Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal went after Republican presidential candidate Rand Paul on Wednesday, releasing a statement saying Paul is "unsuited to be commander-in-chief" for saying foreign policy hawks in the GOP led to the rise of ISIS. LTme stated >>> Edited for space **** Four years later, in time of economic malaise a talented $money $man (Governor Romney R-MA) was again beaten by the Democrat. Senator Rand Paul (R-KY), a "tea party" favorite, is under attack by his fellow GOP's. What can be done? Is there a Republican that has the intellect, the political skill, the charisma to get the GOP ducks in a row? Edited for space**** Though it is early, which Republicans do you want to see in the first debate (limited to ten candidates). IMO - John McCain lost because the GOP didn't want his #1 choice of Joe Lieberman as his VP running mate and they didn't vet his 2nd grab bag out of that black hat names properly! Sarah Palin was a nightmare and went 'MARVERICK' from the get-go! And a bewildered/befuddled ole John McCain was gutted by his own party and the media talking heads of Rush Limbaugh and ilk! Frankly I felt sorry for the man for what he once was and the shell of a human that was left standing out there on the campaign trail looking and sounding confused! Should/would/could have been so different but the GOP has no one to blame but themselves for that disaster! As far as the Jindal - he needs to put a 'SOCK IN IT'; he's not going to be considered anyone's VP and at this rate he won't even be asked to speak at the convention! Republican Presidential Debate Caps Upend 2016 Race Limited guest list likely will force long-shot candidates to push earlier for name recognition By Reid J. Epstein/Wall Street Journal New rules that limit the number of contenders on stage during the first Republican presidential debates are likely to alter the campaign calculations for many of the GOP candidates, forcing them to try to build national name recognition months earlier than planned. Four Republicans are poised to formally announce their White House campaigns in the next 10 days, but it is virtually certain that not all of them will qualify for the party’s initial televised debates, the premier venue for introducing themselves to voters. http://www.wsj.com/articles/republican-presidential-debates-set-a-high-bar-1432586670?mod=WSJ_article_EditorsPicks_5 First primary debate, set for Aug. 6. in Cleveland: by FOX Media (only the top 10 will be invited) Jeb Bush *still on the fence - Ben Carson Scott Walker - Chris Christies Marco Rubio - Rick Perry Rand Paul - John Kasich Mike Huckabee - Carly Fiorina Ted Cruz - Lindsey Graham Bobby Jindal - Rick Santorum ************************************************ 14 candidates **counting Jeb Bush'???' I'd like to see Rand Paul, Huckabee, Carson, Santorum, Graham, Fiorina, Rubio, Bush, Walker and Jindal for the possible 10. And even though I hear Donald Trump is a 'possible'...I'm not taking him SERIOUSLY! Are any of you? I think Trump would make an amazing candidate and President. He has awesome stances on dealing with the economy, China, terrorism and foreign policy. Trump isn't good for his word. He was building an 85 story tower in New Orleans, then the bp spill happened and he pulled out at the last second, just when construction had started. The city could have used that, as we just came out of the 5 year bp caused economic depression last fall. |
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Republicans have gone nuts. They're fighting over who is a better extremist, meanwhile the other half is trying to stay in the establishment. They can't win like that, ever heard the phrase divide and conquer? That's what's been done to the GOP. To anyone who is even slightly progressive y'all simply appear crazy
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Sojourning_Soul spewed >>> John McCain - The Hanoi Songbird He's made every effort while a sitting senator to thwart the release of documents on Vietnam, its POWs, news reel footage, and the 36 videos he made while a POW in collaboration with the enemy stating the US was targeting schools, hospitals and refugee camps. In all 36 of his propaganda films he claimed the US was guilty of war crimes against humanity. http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/02/17/in-1992-pows-accused-mccain-of-collaborating-with-vietnamese/ He is a traitor who should NEVER have been glorified in any way! Another Bergdahl..... but he didn't seek out the enemy. What he did was worse! He made propaganda videos, spilled his guts to the enemy about troops, their number and locations, and any other info he was privvy to, then did his best, using his office as a sitting senator, to conceal the evidence of his crimes effectively hindering an invetigation by the senate select committee and their investigation into POWs still missing in action.! He is pond scum! And more low-down than whale shite! More vitriolic lies/utter school yard bully rumor with nothing for a base but yet again more A$$-SWIPE journalistic BS that has been debunked each and every time it's drug out for 'PROOF' by more gullible - A$$-SWIPE  ! Amazing and yet not so shocking when a lie is much easier to push then standing up for the TRUTH! http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jan/17/mccains-pow-record-attacked/ Thursday, May 28th, 2015 McCain's POW record attacked, again By Shawn Zeller on Thursday, January 17th, 2008 at 8:03 p.m. SUMMARY: Once again, Sen. John McCain faces false allegations about his past. This time, a flyer from the Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain alleges he's a traitor. In an echo of the attacks from the 2000 South Carolina primary that dealt a critical blow to Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign, the Arizona Republican is again facing unfounded allegations about his past. **click on the link and read ALL OF THE DEBUNKED TRUTH I won't post the entire repetitive article {you wouldn't be able to comprehend it}...your reading ability has been proven a huge FAILURE in the other topic regarding the Shiite vs Sunni articles I've previously posted into that thread! You seem bent on nothing more then just destroying a man who served this/his country and did what all prisoners did while being tortured: they made up BS stories and lies to confuse and befuddle their captors because any information garnered them {POW'S} some time...and you - YOU smear his good name like you have FACTS & DATA ON YOUR SIDE! ROTFLMAO soooooo not true and soooo unfounded.  Oh, please continue to drag these slanderous links and libelous lies everywhere you trash his good name; it makes your every word look suspect and unreliable! Something reeks here and it's not Sen. McCains WAR RECORD! Grow up and move along...there's gotta be another unfortunate human just waiting to be trashed by the likes of you and your ILK. Somewhere out there!  Holy crap, we found something else we can agree on. Are you feeling ok?  When his captors learned who McCain was the offered to release him, he refused unless everyone captured before him was released. |
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voting for a libertarian is the only way to fix this country. i stand with rand as well as hes the only one who actually gives a damn about the constitution. im sure the media will do whatever they can to make him look bad, as they did his father. watch the youtube video "how the media cheated ron paul out of the presidency". Sorry but voting for a pu$$y is not the way to fix this county. |
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voting for a libertarian is the only way to fix this country. i stand with rand as well as hes the only one who actually gives a damn about the constitution. im sure the media will do whatever they can to make him look bad, as they did his father. watch the youtube video "how the media cheated ron paul out of the presidency". Sorry but voting for a pu$$y is not the way to fix this county. I'd say that eliminating super pacs is one way to begin fixing things. |
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In fact a lot of conservative ideas can be tossed, such as subsidies for the oil and gas industry. Why does the most profitable industry on the planet need subsidies? Another good question is why exactly do normal working Americans who vote for these extreme conservatives not realize that there supporting they're own economic destruction, they're the ones who's jobs will be outsourced by there own political Heroes. jindal for instance
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Liberal ideas need to tossed as well, like the ever expanding welfare state for example
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shanefromnola stated >>> In fact a lot of conservative ideas can be tossed, such as subsidies for the oil and gas industry. Why does the most profitable industry on the planet need subsidies? Another good question is why exactly do normal working Americans who vote for these extreme conservatives not realize that there supporting they're own economic destruction, they're the ones who's jobs will be outsourced by there own political Heroes. jindal for instance 2 true that & include all those self serving farm subsidies too! Start setting limits on the DOD (our largest budget buster) that has never had an audit and managed to miss place $40 million dollars in CASH sent to Iraq! I would love to see a 5yr suspencion on foreign aid (especially the aid ear marked as a deterant to make bordering country's be nice)...this isn't fiscally prudent or responsible not when we give to Arab Nations that don't respect us! TIME WE TIGHTEN OUR COLLECTIVE BELTS!!! |
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