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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Water memory Claims Under certain circumstances water can retain a "memory" of solute particles after arbitrarily large dilution. Related scientific disciplines Chemistry, Medicine Year proposed 1988 Original proponents Jacques Benveniste Subsequent proponents Madeleine Ennis Brian Josephson Luc Montagnier Various homeopaths Pseudoscientific concepts Water memory is the proposed ability of water to retain a memory of substances previously dissolved even after an arbitrary number of serial dilutions. It is claimed to be the mechanism by which homeopathic remedies work, even though they are diluted to the point that no single molecule of the original substance remains. Water memory defies conventional scientific understanding of physical chemistry knowledge and is not accepted by the scientific community. In 1988, Jacques Benveniste published a study supporting a water memory effect amid controversy in Nature, accompanied by an editorial by Nature's editor John Maddox urging readers to "suspend judgement" until the results could be replicated. In the years following publication, multiple supervised experiments were run by Benveniste's team, the United States Department of Defense, BBC's Horizon program, and other researchers, but no team has ever reproduced Benveniste's results in controlled conditions. Renowned homeopath Dr.George Vithoulkas from Greece says he had challenged the Medical Journal-Lancet's publication on homeopathy and was willing to demonstrate that homeopathy worked. Till now nobody has ever accepted his challenge. 'cause no one so far has been stupid enough to waste time on something like that! Studying anything with an open mind is not stupid. What is stupid is thinking you have all the answers and don't need to look at someone else's opinions. Well, I never said I had all the answers. I have read all opinions but everyone seems to refute the very property of water which makes homeopathy a mode of treating specific medical conditions. If you guys won't accept this very phenomenon on the first place, how can we possibly proceed to knowing the science behind it? |
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Edited by
Lukinfolov
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I did some research and found that the homeopathic medicines are mostly non-regulated because they are too diluted with water to be harmful. If the produce can be sold "over the counter" then a person could buy it anyway without a prescription. "Freedom of speech" gives a lot of leeway in "claims of effectiveness", even without any proof of effectiveness. In Great Britain ... From Wiki: "In February 2010 the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee concluded that: "the NHS should cease funding homeopathy. It also concludes that the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) should not allow homeopathic product labels to make medical claims without evidence of efficacy. As they are not medicines, homeopathic products should no longer be licensed by the MHRA." Part of the conclusions state that "When the NHS funds homeopathy, it endorses it. Since the NHS Constitution explicitly gives people the right to expect that decisions on the funding of drugs and treatments are made 'following a proper consideration of the evidence', patients may reasonably form the [misleading] view [inferred from the fact of any NHS financial support] that homeopathy is an evidence-based treatment." Since no evidence of benefit was found – other than the placebo effect – the report's recommendation was that "The Government should stop allowing the funding of homeopathy on the NHS."[44] The government stated that this decision would be left open to the Primary Care Trusts, the smaller bodies in charge of regional NHS management, instead of being done by the government itself.[45] In June 2010, the British Medical Association voted three to one in favour of a motion that homeopathy should be banned from the NHS, and kept from being sold as medicine in pharmacies.[46] In February 2011, out of 104 Primary Care Trusts who responded to queries, 72 said they did not fund homeopathy, with 10 of these having stopped funding homeopathy in the last four years.[47] By the 2011/12 financial year the percentage of PCTs funding homeopathy had fallen to 15%.[48] In July 2013 the UK Advertising Standards Authority concluded that homeopathy sellers were engaging in false advertising regarding their claims of efficacy of homeopathic products and that at the same time they discouraged users from seeking essential treatments for conditions for which they were needed." Apparently claims, such are "The water remembers the signature of the drug" in a dilute form that no longer contains any of the drug, work because there are enough gullible people in existence who don't know any better. I don't form opinions easily. It took me several years to form this opinion based on several case studies and prescriptions that homeopathy is really something which works but we don't understand. Possibly you will also change your opinion, once you experience it on yourself. Then someone else would call you gullible.;-) |
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Edited by
Pansytilly
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Fri 07/17/15 09:09 AM
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Hence, the "memory" of water that seems to mystefy you so much in homeopathy.. ...is called "dilution" in science... That is what you were looking for, right? The scientific reason behind the mystery of water.. Exactly !! I was looking for the science behind this mystery that how could a drop of water that has no more solute in the material form still produces a stimulus to our physiological system that it is capable of bringing about a response. Water is still water...nothing mysterious. There is no memory. Just something diluted in it. The bonds are not broken. The solute is not integrated intrinsically into the water molecule. If it does not have an ionic charge, it is just suspended in it. If it does have an ionic charge, it forms a buffer system. I have explained this before regarding pH and polarity in my previous post. Here are dilution ratio concepts. The only memory involved, is memorizing the formula. Homeopathy should look into it and use it to make viable and proper research methodology. Not attribute a living concept into a non living material, and expect basic and applied research sciences to take it seriously... Using Dilution Factors To make a dilute solution without calculating concentrations, you can rely on a derivation of the above formula: (Final Volume / Solute Volume) = Dilution Factor (can also be used with mass) This way of expressing a dilution as a ratio of the parts of solute to the total number or parts is common in biology. The dilution factor (DF) can be used alone or as the denominator of the fraction, for example a DF of 10 means a 1:10 dilution, or 1 part solute + 9 parts diluent, for a total of 10 parts. This is different than a “dilution ratio,” which typically refers to a ratio of the parts of solute to the parts of solvent, for example a 1:9 using the previous example. Dilution factors are related to dilution ratios in that the DF equals the parts of solvent + 1 part. Example: Make 300 uL of a 1:250 dilution Formula: Final Volume / Solute Volume = DF Plug values in: (300 uL) / Solute Volume = 250 Rearrange: Solute Volume = 300 uL / 250 = 1.2 uL Answer: Place 1.2 uL of the stock solution into 300 uL – 1.2 uL = 298.8 uL diluent. Step Dilutions If the dilution factor is larger than the final volume needed, or the amount of stock is too small to be pipetted, one or more intermediary dilutions may be required. Use the formula: Final DF = DF1 * DF2 * DF3 etc., to choose your step dilutions such that their product is the final dilution. Example: Make only 300 uL of a 1:1000 dilution, assuming the smallest volume you can pipette is 2 uL Choose step DFs: Need a total dilution factor of 1000. Let’s do a 1:10 followed by a 1:100 (10 * 100 = 1000) Formula: Final Volume / Solute Volume = DF Plug values in: (300 uL) / Solute Volume = 10 Rearrange: Solute Volume = 300 uL / 250 = 30 uL. Answer: Perform a 1:10 dilution that makes at least 30 uL (e.g. 4 uL solute into 36 uL diluent), then move 30 uL of the mixed 1:10 into 300 uL – 30 uL = 270 uL diluent to perform the 1:100 dilution. Serial Dilutions A dilution series is a succession of step dilutions, each with the same dilution factor, where the diluted material of the previous step is used to make the subsequent dilution. This is how standard curves for ELISA can be made. |
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Edited by
Lukinfolov
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Fri 07/17/15 09:17 AM
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Hence, the "memory" of water that seems to mystefy you so much in homeopathy.. ...is called "dilution" in science... That is what you were looking for, right? The scientific reason behind the mystery of water.. Exactly !! I was looking for the science behind this mystery that how could a drop of water that has no more solute in the material form still produces a stimulus to our physiological system that it is capable of bringing about a response. Water is still water...nothing mysterious. There is no memory. Just something diluted in it. The bonds are not broken. The solute is not integrated into water molecule. If it does not have an ionic charge, it is just suspended in it. If it does have an ionic charge, it forms a buffer system. I have explained this before regarding pH and polarity in my previous post. Here are dilution ratio concepts. The only memory involved, is memorizing the formula. Homeopathy should look into it and use it to make viable and proper research methodology. Not attribute a living concept into a non living material, and expect basic and applied research sciences to take it seriously... Using Dilution Factors To make a dilute solution without calculating concentrations, you can rely on a derivation of the above formula: (Final Volume / Solute Volume) = Dilution Factor (can also be used with mass) This way of expressing a dilution as a ratio of the parts of solute to the total number or parts is common in biology. The dilution factor (DF) can be used alone or as the denominator of the fraction, for example a DF of 10 means a 1:10 dilution, or 1 part solute + 9 parts diluent, for a total of 10 parts. This is different than a “dilution ratio,” which typically refers to a ratio of the parts of solute to the parts of solvent, for example a 1:9 using the previous example. Dilution factors are related to dilution ratios in that the DF equals the parts of solvent + 1 part. Example: Make 300 uL of a 1:250 dilution Formula: Final Volume / Solute Volume = DF Plug values in: (300 uL) / Solute Volume = 250 Rearrange: Solute Volume = 300 uL / 250 = 1.2 uL Answer: Place 1.2 uL of the stock solution into 300 uL – 1.2 uL = 298.8 uL diluent. Step Dilutions If the dilution factor is larger than the final volume needed, or the amount of stock is too small to be pipetted, one or more intermediary dilutions may be required. Use the formula: Final DF = DF1 * DF2 * DF3 etc., to choose your step dilutions such that their product is the final dilution. Example: Make only 300 uL of a 1:1000 dilution, assuming the smallest volume you can pipette is 2 uL Choose step DFs: Need a total dilution factor of 1000. Let’s do a 1:10 followed by a 1:100 (10 * 100 = 1000) Formula: Final Volume / Solute Volume = DF Plug values in: (300 uL) / Solute Volume = 10 Rearrange: Solute Volume = 300 uL / 250 = 30 uL. Answer: Perform a 1:10 dilution that makes at least 30 uL (e.g. 4 uL solute into 36 uL diluent), then move 30 uL of the mixed 1:10 into 300 uL – 30 uL = 270 uL diluent to perform the 1:100 dilution. Serial Dilutions A dilution series is a succession of step dilutions, each with the same dilution factor, where the diluted material of the previous step is used to make the subsequent dilution. This is how standard curves for ELISA can be made. I don't use the word 'memory' when I explain this property of water to others although you will find this word being used almost everywhere in the homeopathy websites. It is the energy or the imprint of the solute which is sensed by our vital forces to make the body respond in a specific way... is the mystery. You have pasted some information on dilution, but what I am trying to explain is the process of dilution in homeopathy is not the one people follow in labs. It has to be done in a specific way without which it will not work. It is an energy transfer method during subsequent dilutions. Even after a million dilutions, when the solute is no more present in the solvent, the solution become even more potent to produce a response in the body. This is mysterious. It is probably the stored energy in the remedy which creates a response in us. |
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And like i said...you need to show the evidence by concrete data through proper standardized methodology in research.
Whether it works or not, by your account, you cant justify your idea of homeopathy as being "the mysteriousness of it". Not the same language... Water is water. If you have it blessed by a priest, you get holy water. But it's still H2O. |
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oh contraire, water possesses several distinct properties not found in any other molecule in the universe... one of lifes true mysteries
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I did some research and found that the homeopathic medicines are mostly non-regulated because they are too diluted with water to be harmful. If the produce can be sold "over the counter" then a person could buy it anyway without a prescription. "Freedom of speech" gives a lot of leeway in "claims of effectiveness", even without any proof of effectiveness. In Great Britain ... From Wiki: "In February 2010 the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee concluded that: "the NHS should cease funding homeopathy. It also concludes that the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) should not allow homeopathic product labels to make medical claims without evidence of efficacy. As they are not medicines, homeopathic products should no longer be licensed by the MHRA." Part of the conclusions state that "When the NHS funds homeopathy, it endorses it. Since the NHS Constitution explicitly gives people the right to expect that decisions on the funding of drugs and treatments are made 'following a proper consideration of the evidence', patients may reasonably form the [misleading] view [inferred from the fact of any NHS financial support] that homeopathy is an evidence-based treatment." Since no evidence of benefit was found – other than the placebo effect – the report's recommendation was that "The Government should stop allowing the funding of homeopathy on the NHS."[44] The government stated that this decision would be left open to the Primary Care Trusts, the smaller bodies in charge of regional NHS management, instead of being done by the government itself.[45] In June 2010, the British Medical Association voted three to one in favour of a motion that homeopathy should be banned from the NHS, and kept from being sold as medicine in pharmacies.[46] In February 2011, out of 104 Primary Care Trusts who responded to queries, 72 said they did not fund homeopathy, with 10 of these having stopped funding homeopathy in the last four years.[47] By the 2011/12 financial year the percentage of PCTs funding homeopathy had fallen to 15%.[48] In July 2013 the UK Advertising Standards Authority concluded that homeopathy sellers were engaging in false advertising regarding their claims of efficacy of homeopathic products and that at the same time they discouraged users from seeking essential treatments for conditions for which they were needed." Apparently claims, such are "The water remembers the signature of the drug" in a dilute form that no longer contains any of the drug, work because there are enough gullible people in existence who don't know any better. But ... but ... but the sellers of homeopathy are making money from what they do. Thus, it doesn't matter if they are selling something that doesn't have scientific support. /sarc |
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Water is still water...nothing mysterious. There is no memory. Just something diluted in it. The bonds are not broken. The solute is not integrated intrinsically into the water molecule. If it does not have an ionic charge, it is just suspended in it. If it does have an ionic charge, it forms a buffer system. I have explained this before regarding pH and polarity in my previous post. Aha, then why does steel 'burn' when water is around? Why is water in its purest form not desirable in power plants as in: closed loops from boiler to turbine and back to boiler. Why is it ‘passivized’ by some chemical dosing? One explanation is water although statistically neutral does have very small amounts of free H & OH ions. The H ions are small enough to dissolve within the crystalline structures of metals; they dissolve in hot steel pipe weld joints easily resulting in what is “Hydrogen cracking”. I see this small percentage of ions a bit mischievous, like a small tear in a fabric - the whole cloth can be easily torn up. Probably similar things happen as we keep adding a solute - water shears up to larger ionic states, pH and all that. Regarding Homeopathy - I see a pattern. It comes from a 'mind over matter' principle and I'm finally beginning to understand what Jesus meant as he prepared he said his goodbyes to the disciples: "Take this loaf, it is my body and drink this wine, it is my blood". In that sense, JC started it all; huh?. |
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And like i said...you need to show the evidence by concrete data through proper standardized methodology in research. Whether it works or not, by your account, you cant justify your idea of homeopathy as being "the mysteriousness of it". Not the same language... Water is water. If you have it blessed by a priest, you get holy water. But it's still H2O. You want evidence?? How much evidence do you want to believe it works? Go to the forum of www.abchomeopathy.com and see how many patients visit the forum every day and get treated by homeopaths for free. If you take a few old but complete threads, you will come to know patient's feedback as well. In most cases they don't come back when they are cured, but some do. |
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Edited by
Pansytilly
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Sat 07/18/15 03:48 AM
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And like i said...you need to show the evidence by concrete data through proper standardized methodology in research. Whether it works or not, by your account, you cant justify your idea of homeopathy as being "the mysteriousness of it". Not the same language... Water is water. If you have it blessed by a priest, you get holy water. But it's still H2O. You want evidence?? How much evidence do you want to believe it works? Go to the forum of www.abchomeopathy.com and see how many patients visit the forum every day and get treated by homeopaths for free. If you take a few old but complete threads, you will come to know patient's feedback as well. In most cases they don't come back when they are cured, but some do. EVIDENCE defined In medicine, levels of evidence are arranged in a ranking system used in evidence-based practices to describe the strength of the results measured in a clinical trial or research study. The design of the study (such as a case report for an individual patient or a double-blinded randomized controlled trial) and the endpoints measured (such as survival or quality of life) affect the strength of the evidence. The most recent levels of evidence is provided by the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, Oxford: 1a: Systematic reviews (with homogeneity) of randomized controlled trials 1b: Individual randomized controlled trials (with narrow confidence interval) 1c: All or none randomized controlled trials 2a: Systematic reviews (with homogeneity) of cohort studies 2b: Individual cohort study or low quality randomized controlled trials (e.g. <80% follow-up) 2c: "Outcomes" Research; ecological studies 3a: Systematic review (with homogeneity) of case-control studies 3b: Individual case-control study 4: Case-series (and poor quality cohort and case-control studies) 5: Expert opinion without explicit critical appraisal, or based on physiology, bench research or "first principles" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rating System for the Hierarchy of Evidence: Quantitative Questions Level I: Evidence from a systematic review of all relevant randomized controlled trials (RCT's), or evidence-based clinical practice guidelines based on systematic reviews of RCT's Level II: Evidence obtained from at least one well-designed Randomized Controlled Trial (RCT) Level III: Evidence obtained from well-designed controlled trials without randomization, quasi-experimental Level IV: Evidence from well-designed case-control and cohort studies Level V: Evidence from systematic reviews of descriptive and qualitative studies Level VI: Evidence from a single descriptive or qualitative study Level VII: Evidence from the opinion of authorities and/or reports of expert committees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When choosing sources it is important for you to evaluate each one to ensure that you have the best quality source for your project. Here are common categories and questions for you to consider: ABSTRACT · Does the first sentence contain a clear statement of the purpose of the article (without starting....The purpose of this article is to.....) · Is the test population briefly described? · Does it conclude with a statement of the experiment’s conclusions? INTRODUCTION · Does it properly introduce the subject? · Does it clearly state the purpose of what is to follow? · Does it briefly state why this report is different from previous publications? METHODS AND MATERIALS · Is the test population clearly stated? Is it appropriate for the experiment? Should it be larger? more comprehensive? · Is the control population clearly stated? Are all variables controlled? Should it be larger? more comprehensive? · Are methods clearly described or referenced so the experiment could be repeated? · Are materials clearly described and when appropriate, manufacturers footnoted? · Are all statements and descriptions concerning design of test and control populations and materials and methods included in this section? RESULTS · Are results for all parts of the experimental design provided? · Are they clearly presented with supporting statistical analyses and/or charts and graphs when appropriate? · Are results straightforwardly presented without a discussion of why they occurred? · Are all statistical analyses appropriate for the situation and accurately performed? DISCUSSION · Are all results discussed? · Are all conclusions based on sufficient data? · Are appropriate previous studies integrated into the discussion section? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------    sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levels_of_evidence http://www.audionotch.com/blog/tinnitus/how-good-is-the-scientific-evidence-for-audionotch-and-what-about-homeopathy/ http://www.cebm.net/oxford-centre-evidence-based-medicine-levels-evidence-march-2009/ http://www.jgh.ca/en/hslintroebp?mid=ctl00_LeftMenu_ctl00_TheMenu-menuItem007-subMenu-menuItem012 http://www.jgh.ca/uploads/Library/Instruction/Type%20of%20Question%20table.gif http://researchguides.ebling.library.wisc.edu/content.php?pid=325126&sid=2940230 http://www.dartmouth.edu/~library/biomed/about/pulse/pulse-fall-10.html?mswitch-redir=classic http://www.nlm.nih.gov/nichsr/hta101/ta10106.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i don't know if the research flow and methodology or grading of evidence considered in applied and basic sciences is the same as that of health sciences. but many go by the above in sound treatment judgement. homeopathy might have a place in concept, heck, it might even hold some sort of truth behind all the mysteriousness. but like i said...you're not using the same language as the "science fraternity" you want homeopathy to be accepted in... i don't doubt there are people who believe that they were cured through the concepts of homeopathy, but clearly, the mechanism of how is not explained properly. plus, there is no standardization that can be used on the general population. if you really want to advocate it as something to be taken seriously as a treatment option, and unlock the mystery of how and why it works, it's better to do the legwork of research. not just market it. chronic illnesses which you claim are the target of homeopathic methods, are multi-factorial. who is to say that it was a homeopathic treatment using "water memory" that cured them, per se? since you are continuing on the path of the homeopath...do some research testing that will level all the variables and single out the homeopathic method as being the cause of cure. whether it turns out positive or negative is irrelevant. as long as your methods are sound and reproducible, it can be of use. don't forget the ethico-legal considerations and waivers. you're welcome. |
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Edited by
JaiGi
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And like i said...you need to show the evidence by concrete data through proper standardized methodology in research. Whether it works or not, by your account, you cant justify your idea of homeopathy as being "the mysteriousness of it". Not the same language... Water is water. If you have it blessed by a priest, you get holy water. But it's still H2O. You want evidence?? How much evidence do you want to believe it works? Go to the forum of www.abchomeopathy.com and see how many patients visit the forum every day and get treated by homeopaths for free. If you take a few old but complete threads, you will come to know patient's feedback as well. In most cases they don't come back when they are cured, but some do. Sorry Lukin, but times are changing. As the guy who started the 'dark matter' post you know much better to mix 'philosophical science with SCIENCE as we know it. Yes, Jesus converted water to wine In this I begin to see the spirit of homeopathy. the mind over matter. As Pansy pointed out in style, this is a great opportunity to test the fundamentals on "water of life". It's now upto us to walk away & fight another day. I do believe in alternate medicines - but the alternate medicines seem to rely on the chimp in us to cure us out of many ailments. Love, faith, words i didn't really fathom till this debate. But we must also take into account that if the human mind is to rule over the body; a mind like mine locked into pork, religion and sex then i've to get away from them through a vegetarian dietand non-caffeine? (Homeopathy insists on this?) And as you admitted, there's 'no solute left' but thumping does the trick so where does science end and spirituality begin? I'm beginning to see Homeopathy in lines of Transcendental Meditation, Yoga, ayurvedic herbals, unani of the ages and Buddhist pathway of chants and vibrations. Else, you will have to disclose the formula of the various solutes for investigation. Let's take it easy and move on to Mars & Dark matter & Gravity Len zing. Gravity Len sing is interesting, perhaps a quicker way to get to the moon? 
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Oops Pansy,
Our posts crossed over. Looks like the science of science management. Thanks JG |
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Just to clear up a little more of the "Mystery of Water", the magnetic effects of polarization of the molecule set up randomized concentrations of electric fields due to molecular motion somewhat like the electric fields which create sunspots in the Sun. The small randomized concentrations of energy are sufficient to break the electron bonds so pure water will develop a small amount of OH3 and H+. The result is that there no such thing as "pure" water in a natural state. The chemical reaction of these breaks and reformations are some of the fastest chemical reactions known to man.
Also the polar fields of H2O create an alignment matrix in crystalline form pushing the atom spacing apart which is why ice has more volume than water. |
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Edited by
Pansytilly
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no problem Jai...it's all good.
yoga as a form of exercise works. it can lower blood pressure, immediately after and long-term (1-3 months). research has been done on both amateurs and expert practitioners. mechanisms have been proposed as to how. as for meditation and other relaxation methods you have mentioned...it's the release of chemicals and hormones and likely the lifestyle associated with these practices that cause the effect. fMRI studies and hormone levels studies have been done and are continual as far as i know... aromatherapy is calming as well. but other effects are also thru the inhalation of the molecules. the effect of scent on the brain and the diffusion of these molecules thru the lung tissue and into the body, thereby, causing a reaction. crystals can also affect people with an affinity for them. but then again, good studies have shown that certain crystals emit and absorb radiation, causing the effects. i don't think the spirituality or transcendence (ie. where the spirit actually goes) associated with these practices are investigated by the scientific method. only the effect it has on the physical body. if op wants to say that water per se, has an energy or a spirit level...he's gotta prove it... but to say that the effect of water on the body is due to having absorbed the "energy" of a solute and therefore retained a "memory" of it, and not that it still has minute amounts of the solute suspended in it...umm...no. water is water is water. one oxygen and two hydrogen. anything dissolved in it creates a kind of buffer system. the buffer system is affected by either strong or weak ions. even proteins are weakly polar, contributing to this effect of causing constant breaks in the (OH-) (H+) bonds. and it is these proteins in the water that cause the body to react in an inflammatory, immunogenic or allergic manner. not the water having the memory of them. anyway...that is as far as i am aware of. feel free to refute. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- if you want to advocate homeopathy, you have to accept the flaws in their methodology first and do more research. these are two sites and excerpts regarding research in homeopathy: 1. society of homeopaths http://www.homeopathy-soh.org/research/evidence-base-homeopathy/clinical-trials/ --The fact that 80 trials were inconclusive highlights the need for changes in the way homeopathy research is conducted in future to ensure that meaningful results are generated from clinical trials. Three key factors for improving the clinical trial evidence base for homeopathy are: the need for larger scale trials with larger sample sizes (commonly prevented by a lack of funding) the use of research methods that are better suited to the task of testing homeopathy as a complex individualised therapy (such as pragmatic trials which allow treatment by a homeopath as experienced in real world practice, to be compared) assess the value of homeopathy across a wider range of illnesses with repetition in each condition. 2. Homeopathy: A Critique of Current Clinical Research http://www.csicop.org/si/show/homeopathy_a_critique_of_current_clinical_research/ --An evaluation of the clinical research by the group that has published most of the papers in homeopathy, 2005–2010, finds numerous flaws in the design, conduct, and reporting along with a tendency to overinterpret weak data. again, you're welcome. |
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http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
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Anecdotes by satisfied customers are not scientific evidence.
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Thank you all for contributing to this thread. I feel some very important points have been brought up here on which I can start building up.
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