that is an interesting point walker

about the social security i mean

if a private interest raids

the retirement fund of their workers investment

is it not a major crime

yet the federal govt does it on a regular basis

and it happens no matter which party is in control

what a bunch of lieing stealing con people

we have in washington

they should be in jail with their enron buddies

oh yea there buddies did not go just the flunkies went

imagine that

if the govt would not have stolen the s s money

the s s system would not be in trouble

voileazur,

Do you not realize how hilarious what you just said is? It was a running joke in "Talledaga Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby".

Larry Dennit, Jr.: "Early word out of NASCAR is your little obscene gesture's gonna cost you 100 points. Do you know how much that costs us in sponsorship dollars?"
Ricky: "Well, with all due respect, Mr. Dennit, I had no idea you'd gotten experimental surgery to have your balls removed."
Larry Dennit, Jr: "What did you-- What did you say? What was that?"
Ricky: "Well, what? I said 'With all due respect.'"
Larry Dennit, Jr: "That doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want to say to me."
Ricky: "I sure as heck does."
Larry Dennit, Jr: "No, no, it doesn't mean that."
Ricky: "It's in the Geneva Convention. Look it up."

Anyways, have a good day.

There we go again.

Are we not all humans, with the same human rights?

Why do people have to make differences, point them out and judge them?

Do they just want to look better?

They are not, they are worse, because they judge and put themselves above others.

Spidercmb,

I'll use a simpler from, maybe you'll get it!

I addressed comments you made in relation to the topic of this thread.

I invite you to do the the same, and refrain from highjacking every thread with your personnal attention grabbing 'delusional Jesus Persecution' freak show. It doesn't help your reputation, and Jesus deserves better than this freak show.

HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD IS NOT 'YOU'!!!

Spider said:

"So you beleive that every homosexual is perfectly happy the way they are? You are living in a dream world."

Why wouldn't EVERY homosexual be happy just the way they are?

I'll tell why, Spider. Because we are considerd diseased. Becasue we can be evicted from our homes just because of who we are. It's not just families who throw us into the street, it's society and it's sanctioned by the laws of this government.

Why do we hide - because many of the jobs we have, we would not have if our identity was known.

Why do ANY homosexuals try to change - because they are told their god is dissatified with them - because they are cast out of the churhes they were raised in. Beacause they have been 'shunned' by the very people whose love is supposed be unconditional.

THE GLBT COMMUNITY - In the GLBT circles all over this country you will us talking about FAMILY. You know who that family is?
It's ANYONE who accepts who we are, who protects us from the vicious attacks of people who fear what they don't even try to understand.

I don't imagine you've ever considered those reasons why, have you?

Put it another way - did anyone EVER in history try to correct the color of someones skin? That's genetic you know - it could be done, don't you think?

Hey 'red' you 'copy-pasted' my earlier post:

"... Sometimes, I really have to pinch myself and realize that this is just 'public forum' and good 'old tavern' gossip, and it can't be taken to represent the mindset of the most powerful nation in the world...."

And with that thought in mind, what do you say you, 'fitness' and I, invite everyone visiting this post to vote on the following:

Would you agree with the following:


"... that federal grants be invested towards intensive research to find a cure for...

"Obsessive 'OPPRESSION BY RELIGIOUS DOGMA' Syndrome"



Now there's a disease worth finding a cure for,
and HELP ALL THOSE AFFLICTED, TO ERADICATE the disease!!!

'spider' will be happy. That is without fail a group that "...can't possibly be happy with the way they are..." !!!

Let's help them find a cure!!!

The descriptive of the 'actual' 'medical illness' we need to find a cure for is:

"Obsessive-Compulsive-Delusional
'OPPRESSION BY RELIGIOUS DOGMA'
Syndrome".

Redykeulous,

We aren't talking about a perfect world. There are some Homosexuals who aren't happy being homosexual. If you want to argue to the contrary then you are calling homosexuals liars. Those "Convert homosexuals to straight" groups don't kidnap homosexuals, they come of their own free will. Maybe I'm being obtuse, but I don't see some grand conspriacy by the President (somehow liberals think he is a moron and a mad genius at the same time) to eliminate homosexuals.

They go to these groups because they think they will be better received by those who are next to them, not to make themselves happy, but because they think it makes others happy.

Slight difference, isn't it?

And why should they all be happy when people are looking at then, talking about them, pointing their fingers whilst judging them.
Those disgusting people who think the sun shines out of their a..
only because they are "NORMAL"

invisible,

And that's not right at all, but it's easier to change yourself than the world. So if a homosexual is so unhappy about how they are treated, which is better: for them to suicide or for them to take a (for lack of a better word) "cure"? I'm not saying that treating a homosexual with disrespect is right or that discriminating against homosexuals is good, but if Christianity's big offense is that we believe Homosexuality is a sin, I see three options for the Homosexual:

1) Suck it up and remain a Christian
2) Leave Christianity
3) Seek a "cure" for homosexuality.

God gonna love those hypocrisies.

Last I looked, the God of Christianity was supposed a God of love.
Last I looked, Jesus died on the cross so all the sins would be forgiven.
Last I looked, everyone pointing one finger at somebody else pointed at least 3 at himself.

People should sweep their own doorstep first before they proceed to the ones of others.

invisible,

"Last I looked, the God of Christianity was supposed a God of love. "

Love, Justice, Mercy, Vengence. Perfect Love includes all those things.

"Last I looked, Jesus died on the cross so all the sins would be forgiven. "

That's a common misconception. Jesus died on the cross so that all sins could be forgiven. They are only forgiven if you accept Jesus as your Lord.

So you still consider yourself above all others because you believe in Jesus and label yourself a Christian??????

No spider, christianity can't be learned from a book, it has to be in the heart, and as far as I can see, it hasn't reached yours yet.

I pity you for the delusion that is has.

invisible,

"So you still consider yourself above all others because you believe in Jesus and label yourself a Christian?????? "

Not at all, I don't think that at all. I never have. How could I live a life full of sin and consider myself better than anyone else, simply because I'm saved? We are saved through grace, not works. All I have done to secure my salvation is accept Jesus. I have said it a million times, so here is one million and one: The ground at the foot of the cross is level.

maybe the research is being done so that there can be a better understanding of homosexuality for eveyone involved and maybe through understanding it would help everyone involved and we wouldnt have these problems...the greatest fear is the fear of the unknown..maybe through understanding more intellectual choices will be made on both sides..this is all i will say that and..GOOD GRIEF..charlie brown..lol


outta here...

Please people!!!

Look it up!!!

"Obsessive-Compulsive-Delusional 'OPPRESSION BY RELIGIOUS DOGMA' Syndrome"

'spider' offers some comments that are a perfect example of the syndrome:

1) '... but it's easier to change yourself than the world...'

Here 'spider' shows with his comment the delusional state of the condition by confusing a bunch of 'OPPRESSION HAPPY' bible freaks, whom in his delusional state, represents the world. Typical delusion found with this condition.

2) '... but if Christianity's big offense is that we believe ...Homosexuality is a sin,

That's the unconscious arrogance, the profound IGNORANCE (forgive him lord, for he really doesn't know), the ultimate delusion (if you repeat a lie often and long enough, it will eventually become the truth 'just for you').
Since religious zealots have repeated this lie: 'homosexuality is a sin', for far more than 2000 years, they hold this lie as THEIR TRUTH for their own self serving convenience, without any regards for the immoral oppression this represents for their fellow human beings!!! As I said before, this a serious ILLNESS!!!

AND IT DOESN'T STOP HERE!!!

The illness becomes a reversed moral code of self serving illogicisms:

the 'if this true (lie), then that lie (true)!!!
fuzzy-half-baked fanatical thinking.

Which gives the following 'heretics hunting' like genocidal call which 'spider' offers in a convenient 'bouquet' of options:

3) '...I see three options for the Homosexual...'
- Suck it up and remain a Christian
- Leave Christianity
- Seek a "cure" for homosexuality

As you can see 'spider' provides us with a stunning example of this serious "Obsessive-Compulsive-Delusional 'OPPRESSION BY RELIGIOUS DOGMA' Syndrome".

They 'tag' or 'label' a very specific (target) group of human beings as a 'SIN', disease or illness, based solely on a 2000 year old fictitious (made-up) book. And to add insult to injury, and to give themselves good conscience for this bigotted hate 'SIN', they'll try and convince you that it is only the 'SIN' they HATE, and not the 'SINNER'.

I'll give the same 'bouquet' of options above, a 'spider' spin, and apply it to a potentially REAL sickness which we need to eradicate:

"Obsessive-Compulsive-Delusional 'OPPRESSION BY RELIGIOUS DOGMA' Syndrome"

... is a discriminatory and potentially 'hate-mongering' 'SIN' and CRIME!!! which finds its roots in fundamentalist religious groups.

Christianity is not a sin. But 'OPPRESSION BY RELIGIOUS DOGMA' certainly is.

Therefore, and following 'spider's fuzzy logic, I see three options for the "Obsessive-Compulsive-Delusional 'OPPRESSION BY RELIGIOUS DOGMA' Syndrome" victims:

1) Stop speaking this word for word bible nonsense, and hope that Christians will forgive you, and allow you to remain an active Christian within your local church.

2) Leave Christianity, and the organized world, or expose yourself to possible 'hate-mongering' accusations.

3) Seek a cure, through appropriate professionnal help for your illness, take the proper medication to keep your 'obsessive-compulsive' illness under control. Promise on your bible, to never attend or join a fundamentalist christian bible reading group (a bit like a reformed KKK, or reformed Alcoholic).

With respect to my invitation from the previous,

"... that federal grants be invested towards intensive research to find a cure for...
"Obsessive-Compulsive 'OPPRESSION BY RELIGIOUS DOGMA' Syndrome"

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES HERE NOW!!!

invisible,

Ephesians 2:8-9
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For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
=============================================================

This verse tells me that I am saved by grace and that even my faith in God is a gift from God. So I have nothing to boast about. When I say that Homosexuality is a sin, I'm repeating what I've learned from the Bible. That is in no way me judging another for their actions. I haven't called anyone out for being homosexual. As I've posted here before, Jesus saved me from homosexuality. If Jesus hasn't saved another from homosexuality, far be it for me to judge. I am simply thankful for my own salvation and wait expectantly for theirs.

voileazur,

The Christians I know would treat a homosexual as good as or better than they would treat a straight person. Homosexuals receive a lot of hate in this world from people of all religions and beliefs, if we can give them a little more love, we do. If your standard for showing love is someone lying to avoid hurting another's feelings, then we have completely different definitions of love. If someone asks me "Do you think homosexuality is a sin", my answer will always be "Yes, but we are all sinners. The important thing is that you seek God's face and accept Jesus as your savior."

Voil - "Obsessive-Compulsive-Delusional 'OPPRESSION BY RELIGIOUS DOGMA' Syndrome"
Well I looked up OCD and Dogma - oh my, how often they are used together!! Scary, but somehow rather comforting to consider that it actually might be a disease.

I definetly think this should seriously looked into ...

I vote yes.

Invisible wrote:

"Last I looked, the God of Christianity was supposed a God of love.
>>> Actually - the correct statement is "God is Love"

Last I looked, Jesus died on the cross so all the sins would be forgiven.
>>> Jesus became sin on the cross, and in doing so became an advocate to God for all sinners. Forgiveness comes through recognizing that he did this for you, and trusting in him. It was not a blanket amnesty.

Last I looked, everyone pointing one finger at somebody else pointed at least 3 at himself.
>>> Provided they still have all of their fingers