I don't know I'm from Canada we don't walk around with guns..
We just stand outside of the room and say"" Eh ""who's in there??.. I got a cold bottle of beeri n my hand !!don't make me come in there and beat you over the head with it!!... if I can quote Bruce .. war what is it good for..lol..
People from the states always trying to get the drop on everybody.. why can't you just talk about your feelings..lol

Now that's a bit puzzling to me, since if the opponent has a knife, that's already a situation that poses a potentially deadly threat. And if my opponent has a knife, I'm SURE AS HELL NOT going to want to meet him on equal terms!! THAT just results in two people getting cut up, & I'd just as soon pass on that, thanks.

What's the difference with both you and an intruder having a gun?
YOu're statement would mean that you'd have to walk around with a grenade laucher? Or an M16?
So what if the intruder has an M16? You gonna get an RPG?
Kind of a perpetuating thing ...



We're not allowed to carry guns (thank god for that), meaning most people don't have a gun, only the real baddies. Meaning chances of running into someone with a gun are far slimmer, meaning the need for people to want a gun is also slimmer.

I feel really safe here, unless I go to Amsterdam at night, so I don't go there.
But the thought of going to the States next year, knowing most ppl own guns and can walk around with it even in Walmart, doesn't particularly make me feel safe at all. Just the very thought almost makes me wanna cancel the trip. Not joking.
Makes me wanna buy a gun myself when there so I can protect myself.
I NEVER feel that need over here where no one but the police has guns.

Fear instigates fear.

usually, one shot doesn't come with any extra problems, it's the multiple shots that bring any charges...

Im gonna be better than him. You wont understand this due to your already visible bias but here it goes anyway....Why SHOULDNT I own a firearm and protect my life and property? Who else is gonna do it? The law....when they get there and Im already dead?
Im a law abiding, responsible person. Im former military amd Im a retired firefighter. I grew up around firearms and have been shooting them since I was 6 years old....as have MILLIONS of Americans.
I get that you dont understand....I probably wouldnt get some things that go on in your country because...I dont live there....but Im smart enough not to criticize things there because of that.
We have a choice here...to choose to carry a firearm or not to carry one. And most of us like it just fine.
My state, and MANY others have laws ,made by people smarter than you or I, that expressly permit me to use all legal means to protect myself. Will I ever have to use a firearm to defend myself? Probably not. But that doesnt mean I wont if the situation arises....and Im thankful for legally being able to. My life is much more valuable to me than some lowlife criminal who's breaking into my house for God knows what reason.
Im sorry you dont get wanting the responsibility of protecting yourself....thats fine....but dont disrespect my choice of WANTING to protect myself by disrespecting my country the way you did in the rest of the post the above quote came from when you dont even live here. I wouldnt do the same to your country

You would have that same CHOICE here....or a choice to learn about firearms AND be your first line of defense....or you could just call 911 and hope like hell cops get there before youre dead.

This is the disrepectful part....do you really think the majority of Americans arent responsible and are gonna just start firing at will in the middle of Wally World? The overwhelming majority of gun owners are educated, law abiding, honest, hard working, helpful, cordial people. Remember that when you come visit. And, when you meet some great folks outside of Walmart, remember that alot of them are probably gonna be firearms owners also.
And if you come to my Walmart, and see me...holler at me....Ill take you out shooting and will almost guarantee you that youll ended up being a fan of it

If you come in my house UNINVITED, , and I catch you, you better expect to go to jail sooner or later for trespass at the very least and home invasion which is penitentiary time where I live. Does not matter if the door, window, or whatever is open or you have been a guest in the past. Does not matter if you are friend, or family, or a confused stranger.

The only thing that matters is if you have identified yourself as a police officer or and officer of the court and you better have a warrant. Then you are welcome because there is nothing I have that is not mine, or illegal.

If you come in my house with out and invitation and anything that remotely looks like a weapon all I have to say is you better be willing to serve the consequences.

If I don't kill you I am going to hurt you bad enough you can not hurt me. If you are simply stronger or faster, basically most, expect that I am going to equalize my odds any way I can before I find out if you can hurt me. If I have family in my home and you come in uninvited I am going to assume it is to hurt them and I will have not second thought about taking your life.

I have no problem shooting anyone that is willing to rob me or hurt me. To me they are one in the same. And I am willing to go to jail and sit there until I get my day in court for it if someone wants to challenge my decision.

Thankfully in this country, at least my state, they don't have laws that let criminals ride rough shod over decent citizens in their own homes. If someone is stupid enough to start a fight we are allowed to finish it how we see fit if we are beyond the protection of the law, which being behind your own door makes your responsibility unless you ask for help. Then generally the police come in and kick *** and take names later to determine who is the home owner.

When I called 911 a couple years ago about a home intrusion they descend on my place like a silent full on Assault SWAT team in a matter of minutes. And they caught the low life's and demanded I come out hands up too. Which I had no problem doing once they told me they could see they thought at least the two I reported were out of the house. It took them a couple weeks but when they tracked back the cell phone that alerted them to run the 8 yr old lookout was moved to another protective foster care because they convinced the Mother if their gang could find him they would kill him because the cell phone they told him to play 5-O with would link them to the crime. Since Seniors frequently die from stress before they get to court they are not about to leave a trail if they can avoid it.

I will admit I was a little rattled when two cops who must of vaulted my shrubs and porch rails grabbed me and basically carried me away from my home behind a cop car but at that point I was so weak in the knees they probably kept me from falling or jumping down my front stairs and breaking my legs I was so terrified. Granted I told them what I was wearing and my identifiers plus what I knew of who I initially spotted in my home before they spotted me but they were all business until a cop recovered my wallet id and confirmed I was the victim. They told me later they could have easily had other accomplices in their crime. These kind of slime bags work in packs depend on destitute sometimes elderly women, and innocent "looking" kids as look outs /help.

So Heck NO I am not a nice little old grandma bleeding heart liberal when it comes to punks doing "petty" crime and having all this BS about violence begetting violence.

And I will also say if we were not so deluged by criminals from other countries coming in here and treating the entire country like their personal superstore to rob to the bare walls we would not have the crime we have.

Many of the other countries of the world have much worse prisons and the death penalty that once you are locked up you are there forever or wish you were dead. And or they have climate so harsh that if they are homeless bums they freeze to death or go where they can still afford to buy gas and have shelter. But once they skip your borders you will only take them back if we threaten to execute them. Maybe we should send more of you home and or keep you out in the first place. A lot of foreign economies are dependent on the often ill gotten gains they send home and we know it and try not to punish the innocents with the co-conspirator's.

I believe that you missed the intent of my statement - the idea that I was intending to convey is this:

If someone is acting in such a way as to pose a threat to my continued existence, THAT is the biggest threat that any of us can face - you can't escalate beyond death. Death is essentially "playing for ALL the marbles" (so to speak). Given the fact that your opponent is posing the ultimate threat to you, then a commonsense law (IMHO) would recognize that, & allow an innocent defender to respond accordingly.

The simple FACT is:

The bad guys are NOT going to "play by the rules". And as long as there are people in our societies who want to prey upon others, there will always be a need for the good people to be able to oppose them on equal terms.

Do you seriously think that the police are sufficient to that task??
I am a BIG fan of the police, I've had a couple of LEOs in my family, & I train with some. I hugely appreciate what they do, & what they go through in order to help all of us live more peaceful, civilized lives. But it's simply UNREALISTIC to think that they can be everywhere, stop every threat before it happens.


Well, what's the environment that I'm in?? What are the threats that might need to be faced?? If I'm in Iraq, some parts of Mexico (or even in Detroit! ), then an M-16 AND an RPG might be the appropriate choice!

But (and I say this respectfully), your argument makes use of a bit of hyperbole. Once the defender has the (legal & physical) means to use lethal force, then additional force is superfluous.


Meaning that all you can do when a bad guy appears is to run, or cower & pray that the police show up in time. Many of us feel that those are REALLY BAD options to have to choose between.

To me, it's instructive to compare the Paris attacks to a somewhat-similar attack that occurred here in Colorado in 2007 http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/06/19/colorado-springs-vs-charleston-the-church-massacre-that-ended-differently-n2014783

In both instances, you had an unprovoked attack by someone using military-type rifles on scores of people who were going about their normal lives, in circumstances where it was very unlikely that any of them would be armed.

In Paris, no one was armed, and 130 people died. In Colorado, you had a security guard who had a single handgun - she was able to stop the attacker before the police arrived. As a result, only TWO people died in that attack (although that gunman also killed two others in a separate attack the night before).

And I have to comment on one thing that you said - and please know that I don't intend for this to offend. You wrote:



In one sense, it's difficult for me to respond objectively to this statement. To me, it reeks of a patronizing, infantilizing government that doesn't allow it's citizenry to direct their own lives. It comes down to ONE very basic question - do you trust your citizens/neighbors/etc. to make good decisions, and to act responsibly?? If SO, then why not allow them to own guns?? If NOT, then why would you let them own cars, or knives, or to purchase gasoline, etc???

It's worth remembering that other countries (most notably Switzerland, who no doubt shares many of your European values) trust their citizens with firearms, and they seem to get along fine.

I just thought of a question that I would like to pose to you - Are you able to agree with me that a gun is just an object, with no intrinsic "good" or "evil" of it's own? (I would honestly like to hear your answer to that.)


Good! I hope that your sense of safety remains for the rest of your days.


It truly saddens me when I read that. In my eyes, our right to own firearms is the bulwark that guards all of our other freedoms. It's an awesome right that comes with corresponding (& equivalent) responsibilities.

I WISH that, during your trip here, I could get just a small bit of your time to take you out to a range where you could bust some clay targets - people who are unfamiliar with the sport can't believe how much fun they have!! Or even to have you put holes in a soda can with a little .22 pistol.

I truly think that if you gained just a small bit of experience shooting, & experiencing the "sporting" aspect of it, you would have a LOT less fear.



Sometimes. And sometimes, unfamiliarity breeds fear.

I truly hope that you have a WONDERFUL time when you visit next year!!

(And the above is why I initially posted this in the Politics forum - I had a pretty good idea that sooner or later, it would turn into a discussion about the perceived virtues of self-defense...)

then no doubts to it what ever sistituation was or is or will be the bill of rights still unshakable. And that's why the political policy development needs to be done. Hoowee.....so why there still need more items about the gun control prevention? that's confuse more or less. basically to describe is about the fact not the principle it self. So what will be the true definition behide this topic? Hmmmmmm.......not so clearly right? lol

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^^^^^^^ Im thinkin "more" on the confused part

Then you'll living in truth.