The vote on if we should stay or leave is looming on the horizon.

I'm torn on whether to vote stay or leave.

On the one hand I get annoyed by the rules we have imposed on us.
For instance, at one time prisoners were not allowed to vote here, which I agre with. As far as I'm concerned if you are in prison you don't deserve the right to vote in an election.
We were overuled by the Europen court, and now prisoners can vote.
This type of thing makes me want to leave. I'm sure other European Countries get annoyed by such rules too. This is just one of many by the way.

On the other hand, if we vote to leave it may make ISIS think we are running scared, there's been a lot made about security issues and whether we would be safer to stay or leave.
I'd never want those barbarian b---stards to think we are scared of them so I'm inclined to vote for staying.


Tough decision, my head say's leave, my pride say's stay.

Any thoughts.

i don't think it's going to be any better anywhere else... the liberals are in control everywhere...

You could just as easily say ISIS scared you into staying in a group because you were too scared to be a sovereign nation. Hiding behind mommy EU's skirts or something.

Difficult things ... The EU does overrule decisions sometimes, we've had that with many things too. EU telling us we have to cough up even more towards X Y Z even though we're already paying an arm and a leg.
EU forcing us to change laws concerning tax deductibility for home owners. Lot of ppl got in chit.
And there's the other things EU wants to ram down our throats, like the TTIP and CETA and Monsanto stuff.

Question is ... could you manage by yourself? With all these trade agreement and treaties ...
If you vote "yes" will now be forced to take the Euro too?

I'd vote against it.
Chances are the EU will make further accommodations to keep you in the game anyways. The UK is an important player, a big fish. They can't really sideline you just like that.
Maybe the UK not becoming part of this political f*(ked up mess that's called EU, will in the end help save the day. We may need some players that are strong and independent at some point in time. Which may be sooner than you'd like to think :/ And not like you have to save us, but maybe on a larger scale, save the world.
As it is, the EU is too messy, too many underdeveloped countries joining (eastern European countries -like Romania- that drag us down) and too many American tentacles that are trying to choke the life out of us.
And the EU seems to condone. Slowly but surely they seem to be tearing our own laws and systems down, until ... they have full control I assume.

Isis, who cares? The world won't let you down if Isis was to pick on you. I think that's just an argument to scare people into joining the EU.

Could even be that if you refuse to join, other countries will start to think about leaving the EU as well. I know there's a growing number of ppl here that would want that. Geert Wilders has been trying to make ppl understand that the EU ruins our country and our standards and way of living. Many ppl agree.

Vote "No".

More control less freedoms, ever here big brother has too much say.. Out History with Independence was not so long ago..but somehow here we are again... It's the People who should have a collective say.. Big governments and so called Unions would like us all in a neat box. with little say in our choices.. this way they can stay in control and dictate what is and what is not....

Better get out now,if you still want to have a Country a Decade from now!

Leave. The voice and choices of the UK should be it's own, not influenced by puppeteers.

Some interesting points made here, which I will bear in mind.

Most people I know are voting to leave and it seems from the comments above that most would vote to leave too.

When intra-country laws are allowed to be overturned by an inter-continental or an international organization sovereignty no longer exists.

There is a huge difference between having an agreement within a coalition of countries and allowing the coalition to overturn laws of the governing body of an independent country.

Joe, the EU is a failed project that hasn't been fully acknowledged just yet by member countries, the idea benefited Germany and maybe France but for most members, it's been a bitter pill to swallow on the unions enforced rules. France still hasn't acted on pension reforms of the EU, doing so would mean instant collapse at the polls. Something doesn't seem right when most everyone else is giving their left nut for the cause.

2 years from now, Greece will be looking for another cash infusion and that's when all hell will break loose AGAIN!

Better you remove yourselves now and get a head start in true independence, which is inevitable, sooner or later.

Freedom & Sovereignty

British Anthem, God Save the Queen (with lyrics): http://youtu.be/tN9EC3Gy6Nk/

Makes the hairs on my neck stand up every time.

I'm still not sure how it got to this stage.
We joined in 1973 what was then the common market, meant to make trade easier, and now it's come to this, our laws being decided by Brussels. That's just for starters, I'd be here all night writing the con's, and from what I can fathom, very few pro's.

We had flyers come through the door, both from the stay party and the leave party, and I was gobsmacked at just how much the EU makes decisions for us.
Don't get me wrong, it's not just the UK, it's every Country in Europe, or every member state.

We are getting this bullchit stuffed down our throats that if we leave the future is uncertain, and I ask myself, well WTF does the future hold as it is right now.

I'm glad I posted this topic to get the imput, so thanks all.

@ Very good point, John... it's basically western Europa paying an arm and a leg to get the other poor countries going. They should never have been allowed to join nor to move into our countries.
If you'd know what living conditions are in Romania for instance... no wonder they all flock over here.

It's also kind of weird to form one large union, slowly trying to merge it into one centrally governed country with states, while every friggin country that got forcefully merged in the past, has separated into the original countries, or are trying to achieve that.
From what I gather, even in the States people are starting to want to go back to a separate north & south again, yet we are trying to force / form a union?
History has proved that it doesn't work. (Think Russia, Yugoslavia, Czechia, Basque country, Northern Ireland etc.)

If the UK'd leave, I think other countries might seriously reconsider. Like the Netherlands ... it would probably mean we'd have to cough up even more money towards the EU, we'd likely have to cater for more refugees and Eastern European people.
Maybe that would be the last straw to get enough ppl convinced this chit has to stop.

As for the UK, I think you'd be fine. You're simply too big a player to be ignored. And if EU membership costs more than it yields, you should be able to deal with a bit of impact.

Remember, nothing good ever came into being without a bit of upheaval!

Good luck deciding!