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How Old Is Earth? - How Scientists Determine Its Age | Space
https://www.space.com › 24854-how-old-is-earth Feb 7, 2019 - They've attempted to predict the age based on changing sea levels this here cracks me up because if anyone should know how water deforms and distorts after sitting over periods of time it would literally be impossible to age...let alone...try to claim there is permanent water damage to reveal Earth's age? even the Bible speaks of the flood before Noah that was result of the "Last" "Ice Age." water sitting on earth will erode the surface any time water sits 60,000 years or longer. these idiots keep making this up, this is the fourth Reason GIVEN NOW since introducing the Earth is 4.5 Billions years old!! no doubt, when this fails, there will be a FIFTH reason given...hmmmm...maybe it will do with our Moon or some off the wall hair brain idea like finding a rare sea shell and claiming it's rare because it comes from the Period of Time called "i am lying my azz off but the general public will be too ignorant to figure it out IMMEDIATELY!!" :) |
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http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/tan/index.htm
Genesis (Bereshit) Exodus (Shemot) Leviticus (Vayikra) Numbers (Bemidbar) Deuteronomy (Devarim) Joshua (Yehoshua) Judges (Shoftim) 1 Samuel (1 Shmuel) 2 Samuel (2 Shmuel) 1 Kings (1 Melakhim) 2 Kings (2 Melakhim) Isaiah (Yisheyah) Jeremiah (Yermiyah) Ezekiel (Yechezqel) Hosea (Hoshea) Joel (Yoel) Amos Obadiah (Ovadyah) Jonah (Yonah) Micah (Mikhah) Nahum (Nahum) Habakkuk (Chavaquq) Zephaniah (Tsephanyah) Haggai (Haggai) Zechariah (Zekharyah) Malachi (Malakhi) Psalms (Tehilim) Proverbs (Mishlei) Job (Iyov) Song of Solomon (Shir Hashirim) Ruth Lamentations (Eichah) Ecclesiastes (Qohelet) Esther (Esther) Daniel (Daniyel) Ezra Nehemiah (Nechemiyah) 1 Chronicles (1 Divrey Yamim) 2 Chronicles (2 Divrey Yamim) http://www.tanach.us/Tanach.xml http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/tan/exo.htm Tanach (Hebrew): Exodus (Shemot) Chapter 3 http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/tan/exo003.htm Septuagint: Exodus Chapter 3 http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/sep/exo003.htm Vulgate (Latin): Exodus Chapter 3 http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/vul/exo003.htm Looks like chicken scratch to me. I can't read that! King James Version: Exodus Chapter 3 http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/exo003.htm I can read it but not really interested in it anymore. What I did was scan for Adam, Eve & Nod. I don't see what you are talking about? Here are all four version side by side... Polyglot Bible: Exodus http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/poly/exo003.htm |
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Like I already said a few times, I don't have a problem with anyone's belief or disbelief.
People tend to have a problem with mine, tho. Biostratigraphy: One of the first and most basic scientific dating methods is also one of the easiest to understand. Layers of rock build one atop another — find a fossil or artifact in one layer, and you can reasonably assume it’s older than anything above it. Paleontologists still commonly use biostratigraphy to date fossils, often in combination with paleomagnetism and tephrochronology. A submethod within biostratigraphy is faunal association: Sometimes researchers can determine a rough age for a fossil based on established ages of other fauna from the same layer — especially microfauna, which evolve faster, creating shorter spans in the fossil record for each species. Paleomagnetism: Earth’s magnetic polarity flip-flops about every 100,000 to 600,000 years. The polarity is recorded by the orientation of magnetic crystals in specific kinds of rock, and researchers have established a timeline of normal and reversed periods of polarity. Paleomagnetism is often used as a rough check of results from another dating method. Tephrochronology: Within hours or days of a volcanic eruption, tephra — fragments of rock and other material hurled into the atmosphere by the event — is deposited in a single layer with a unique geochemical fingerprint. Researchers can first apply an absolute dating method to the layer. They then use that absolute date to establish a relative age for fossils and artifacts in relation to that layer. For example, New Zealand’s massive Taupo volcano erupted in A.D. 232. Anything below the Taupo tephra is earlier than 232; anything above it is later. Whenever possible, researchers use one or more absolute dating methods, which provide an age for the actual fossil or artifact. Unlike observation-based relative dating, most absolute methods require some of the find to be destroyed by heat or other means. This family of dating methods, some more than a century old, takes advantage of the environment’s natural radioactivity. Certain unstable isotopes of trace radioactive elements in both organic and inorganic materials decay into stable isotopes. This happens at known rates. By measuring the proportion of different isotopes present, researchers can figure out how old the material is. Radiocarbon dating: Sometimes called carbon-14 dating, this method works on organic material. Both plants and animals exchange carbon with their environment until they die. Afterward, the amount of the radioactive isotope carbon-14 in their remains decreases. Measuring carbon-14 in bones or a piece of wood provides an accurate date, but only within a limited range. Says Shea: “Beyond 40,000 years old, the sample is so small, and the contamination risk so great, that the margin of error is thousands of years. Single crystal fusion: Also called single crystal argon or argon-argon (Ar-Ar) dating, this method is a refinement of an older approach known as potassium-argon (K-Ar) dating, which is still sometimes used. Both methods date rock instead of organic material. As potassium decays, it turns into argon. But unlike radiocarbon dating, the older the sample, the more accurate the dating — researchers typically use these methods on finds at least 500,000 years old. While K-Ar dating requires destroying large samples to measure potassium and argon levels separately, Ar-Ar dating can analyze both at once with a single, smaller sample. Uranium series dating: U-series dating includes a number of methods, each based on different uranium isotopes’ decay rates. The uranium-thorium method is often helpful for dating finds in the 40,000- to 500,000-year-old range, too old for radiocarbon but too young for K-Ar or Ar-Ar. Over time, certain kinds of rocks and organic material, such as coral and teeth, are very good at trapping electrons from sunlight and cosmic rays pummeling Earth. Researchers can measure the amount of these trapped electrons to establish an age. But to use any trapped charge method, experts first need to calculate the rate at which the electrons were trapped. This includes factoring in many variables, such as the amount of radiation the object was exposed to each year. These techniques are accurate only for material ranging from a few thousand to 500,000 years old — some researchers argue the accuracy diminishes significantly after 100,000 years. Thermoluminescence: Optically stimulated luminescence: Electronic spin resonance: so far, uranium, electronically, radioactively, carbon dating methods have all been proven to be extremely flawed, by process of, removing unstable condition test samples and placing them in a stable lab environment where they will begin to immediately adapt and skews the Data every time. The good dates are confirmed using at least two different methods, ideally involving multiple independent labs for each method to cross-check results. Sometimes only one method is possible, reducing the confidence researchers have in the results. http://discovermagazine.com/2016/jul-aug/scientific-dating-methods http://www.livescience.com/32321-how-is-earths-age-calculated.html http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C25&q=age+of+the+earth&btnG= http://sp.lyellcollection.org/content/190/1/205.short ASTRONOMICAL TIME KEEPING OF EARTH HISTORY http://www.jstor.org/stable/26604953?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents Abstract The mathematically predictable cyclic movements of Earth with respect to the sun provides the basis for constructing highly accurate and precise age models for Earth’s past. Copy Citation MLA Littler, Kate, et al. “ASTRONOMICAL TIME KEEPING OF EARTH HISTORY: An Invaluable Contribution of Scientific Ocean Drilling.” Oceanography, vol. 32, no. 1, 2019, pp. 72–76. JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/26604953. APA Littler, K., Westerhold, T., Drury, A., Liebrand, D., Lisiecki, L., & Pälike, H. (2019). ASTRONOMICAL TIME KEEPING OF EARTH HISTORY: An Invaluable Contribution of Scientific Ocean Drilling. Oceanography, 32(1), 72-76. Retrieved from https://www.jstor.org/stable/26604953 CHICAGO Littler, Kate, Thomas Westerhold, Anna Joy Drury, Diederik Liebrand, Lorraine Lisiecki, and Heiko Pälike. "ASTRONOMICAL TIME KEEPING OF EARTH HISTORY: An Invaluable Contribution of Scientific Ocean Drilling." Oceanography 32, no. 1 (2019): 72-76. https://www.jstor.org/stable/26604953. True age of 4.56 billion years |
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Thanks Tom for these facts.
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Thanks Tom for these facts. Yer welcome Mk. I'm trying to understand the reality of the statements. I happen to have plenty of time to look at the claims, do some verifying. Its entertaining for me to do this. I have no doubt iam_resurrected believes what he says. I don't but I am trying to understand his need to be right and how it reinforces his belief. I find his hostility merely typical of religious fanatics. I've seen similar displays many time before. |
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I think many fanatics suffer from insecurity about their beliefs. Maybe they worry about what they would do if their belief system was proved to be wrong. They would probably feel very silly and that type of person probably can't handle it.
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Well the OP has gone long ago, couldn't wait around for the final answer.
Quoting any passage from any book is quoting from the minds of men. Scientific claims are no more absurd than religious claims eg. Jonah and the whale, and Noah's ark full of all pairs of animals for 40 days. And in the end, evil thrives all around, and the good suffer; certainly not the product of a perfectionist all powerful loving but jealous creator. The proof is in the pudding. The 'creator's' human colony / society is a failure, destroying its habitat, and itself, and doomed to extinction if left alone. Burnt offerings, and frankincense and myrrh, and prayers to any deity aren't going to help. So maybe we do all go to hell when the Earth is uninhabitable, so the devil exists, and therefore so does god. 
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I do believe however, that on more than one occasion, a guy called Michael did in fact row a boat ashore. Have a Lude Jo.
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Tom,
Like I already said a few times, I don't have a problem with anyone's belief or disbelief. People tend to have a problem with mine, tho. Biostratigraphy: One of the first and most basic scientific dating methods is also one of the easiest to understand. Layers of rock build one atop another — find a fossil or artifact in one layer, and you can reasonably assume it’s older than anything above it. Paleontologists still commonly use biostratigraphy to date fossils, often in combination with paleomagnetism and tephrochronology. A submethod within biostratigraphy is faunal association: Sometimes researchers can determine a rough age for a fossil based on established ages of other fauna from the same layer — especially microfauna, which evolve faster, creating shorter spans in the fossil record for each species. Paleomagnetism: Earth’s magnetic polarity flip-flops about every 100,000 to 600,000 years. The polarity is recorded by the orientation of magnetic crystals in specific kinds of rock, and researchers have established a timeline of normal and reversed periods of polarity. Paleomagnetism is often used as a rough check of results from another dating method. Tephrochronology: Within hours or days of a volcanic eruption, tephra — fragments of rock and other material hurled into the atmosphere by the event — is deposited in a single layer with a unique geochemical fingerprint. Researchers can first apply an absolute dating method to the layer. They then use that absolute date to establish a relative age for fossils and artifacts in relation to that layer. For example, New Zealand’s massive Taupo volcano erupted in A.D. 232. Anything below the Taupo tephra is earlier than 232; anything above it is later. Whenever possible, researchers use one or more absolute dating methods, which provide an age for the actual fossil or artifact. Unlike observation-based relative dating, most absolute methods require some of the find to be destroyed by heat or other means. This family of dating methods, some more than a century old, takes advantage of the environment’s natural radioactivity. Certain unstable isotopes of trace radioactive elements in both organic and inorganic materials decay into stable isotopes. This happens at known rates. By measuring the proportion of different isotopes present, researchers can figure out how old the material is. Radiocarbon dating: Sometimes called carbon-14 dating, this method works on organic material. Both plants and animals exchange carbon with their environment until they die. Afterward, the amount of the radioactive isotope carbon-14 in their remains decreases. Measuring carbon-14 in bones or a piece of wood provides an accurate date, but only within a limited range. Says Shea: “Beyond 40,000 years old, the sample is so small, and the contamination risk so great, that the margin of error is thousands of years. Single crystal fusion: Also called single crystal argon or argon-argon (Ar-Ar) dating, this method is a refinement of an older approach known as potassium-argon (K-Ar) dating, which is still sometimes used. Both methods date rock instead of organic material. As potassium decays, it turns into argon. But unlike radiocarbon dating, the older the sample, the more accurate the dating — researchers typically use these methods on finds at least 500,000 years old. While K-Ar dating requires destroying large samples to measure potassium and argon levels separately, Ar-Ar dating can analyze both at once with a single, smaller sample. Uranium series dating: U-series dating includes a number of methods, each based on different uranium isotopes’ decay rates. The uranium-thorium method is often helpful for dating finds in the 40,000- to 500,000-year-old range, too old for radiocarbon but too young for K-Ar or Ar-Ar. Over time, certain kinds of rocks and organic material, such as coral and teeth, are very good at trapping electrons from sunlight and cosmic rays pummeling Earth. Researchers can measure the amount of these trapped electrons to establish an age. But to use any trapped charge method, experts first need to calculate the rate at which the electrons were trapped. This includes factoring in many variables, such as the amount of radiation the object was exposed to each year. These techniques are accurate only for material ranging from a few thousand to 500,000 years old — some researchers argue the accuracy diminishes significantly after 100,000 years. Thermoluminescence: Optically stimulated luminescence: Electronic spin resonance: QUOTE: so far, uranium, electronically, radioactively, carbon dating methods have all been proven to be extremely flawed, by process of, removing unstable condition test samples and placing them in a stable lab environment where they will begin to immediately adapt and skews the Data every time. The good dates are confirmed using at least two different methods, ideally involving multiple independent labs for each method to cross-check results. Sometimes only one method is possible, reducing the confidence researchers have in the results. http://discovermagazine.com/2016/jul-aug/scientific-dating-methods http://www.livescience.com/32321-how-is-earths-age-calculated.html http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C25&q=age+of+the+earth&btnG= http://sp.lyellcollection.org/content/190/1/205.short ASTRONOMICAL TIME KEEPING OF EARTH HISTORY http://www.jstor.org/stable/26604953?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents Abstract The mathematically predictable cyclic movements of Earth with respect to the sun provides the basis for constructing highly accurate and precise age models for Earth’s past. QUOTE: Copy Citation MLA Littler, Kate, et al. “ASTRONOMICAL TIME KEEPING OF EARTH HISTORY: An Invaluable Contribution of Scientific Ocean Drilling.” Oceanography, vol. 32, no. 1, 2019, pp. 72–76. JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/26604953. APA Littler, K., Westerhold, T., Drury, A., Liebrand, D., Lisiecki, L., & Pälike, H. (2019). ASTRONOMICAL TIME KEEPING OF EARTH HISTORY: An Invaluable Contribution of Scientific Ocean Drilling. Oceanography, 32(1), 72-76. Retrieved from https://www.jstor.org/stable/26604953 CHICAGO Littler, Kate, Thomas Westerhold, Anna Joy Drury, Diederik Liebrand, Lorraine Lisiecki, and Heiko Pälike. "ASTRONOMICAL TIME KEEPING OF EARTH HISTORY: An Invaluable Contribution of Scientific Ocean Drilling." Oceanography 32, no. 1 (2019): 72-76. https://www.jstor.org/stable/26604953. True age of 4.56 billion years i can make my own surmation and add the faulty findings of dating methods that scientists over the generations have attempted to use. you know why they continued trying different dating methods (uranium, lead, electronic, radioactive, carbon is because those numbers WERE PROVEN SLEWED and WRONG YEARS AGO!! |
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tom
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/tan/index.htm Genesis (Bereshit) Exodus (Shemot) Leviticus (Vayikra) Numbers (Bemidbar) Deuteronomy (Devarim) Joshua (Yehoshua) Judges (Shoftim) 1 Samuel (1 Shmuel) 2 Samuel (2 Shmuel) 1 Kings (1 Melakhim) 2 Kings (2 Melakhim) Isaiah (Yisheyah) Jeremiah (Yermiyah) Ezekiel (Yechezqel) Hosea (Hoshea) Joel (Yoel) Amos Obadiah (Ovadyah) Jonah (Yonah) Micah (Mikhah) Nahum (Nahum) Habakkuk (Chavaquq) Zephaniah (Tsephanyah) Haggai (Haggai) Zechariah (Zekharyah) Malachi (Malakhi) Psalms (Tehilim) Proverbs (Mishlei) Job (Iyov) Song of Solomon (Shir Hashirim) Ruth Lamentations (Eichah) Ecclesiastes (Qohelet) Esther (Esther) Daniel (Daniyel) Ezra Nehemiah (Nechemiyah) 1 Chronicles (1 Divrey Yamim) 2 Chronicles (2 Divrey Yamim) http://www.tanach.us/Tanach.xml http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/tan/exo.htm Tanach (Hebrew): Exodus (Shemot) Chapter 3 http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/tan/exo003.htm Septuagint: Exodus Chapter 3 http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/sep/exo003.htm Vulgate (Latin): Exodus Chapter 3 http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/vul/exo003.htm Looks like chicken scratch to me. I can't read that! King James Version: Exodus Chapter 3 http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/exo003.htm I can read it but not really interested in it anymore. What I did was scan for Adam, Eve & Nod. I don't see what you are talking about? Here are all four version side by side... Polyglot Bible: Exodus http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/poly/exo003.htm ummmm, i was only copying/pasting what the Book Page for Exodus 3 (Shemot) looks like. the Adam/Eve/Cain/Nod story is strictly Bereshit (Genesis)...i was only showing you an example of what my Bible looked like (not that Adam is found in the Book of Exodus)!! this is the 5th TIME you either thought i was insisting our Gods were similar and you wanted to assure me that yours was not AND THAT you have taken a simple example like this EXODUS and turn it around about not finding Adam/Eve/Nod. i never said this is where ADAM can be found... ...all i did was show the PAGE of MY HEBREW BIBLE (that is all it is just the page showing EXODUS [Shemot) 3... |
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notbeold
Well the OP has gone long ago, couldn't wait around for the final answer. Quoting any passage from any book is quoting from the minds of men. Scientific claims are no more absurd than religious claims eg. Jonah and the whale, and Noah's ark full of all pairs of animals for 40 days. And in the end, evil thrives all around, and the good suffer; certainly not the product of a perfectionist all powerful loving but jealous creator. The proof is in the pudding. The 'creator's' human colony / society is a failure, destroying its habitat, and itself, and doomed to extinction if left alone. Burnt offerings, and frankincense and myrrh, and prayers to any deity aren't going to help. So maybe we do all go to hell when the Earth is uninhabitable, so the devil exists, and therefore so does god. laugh i like you notbeold, because you are satisfied in your views and beliefs through whatever mechanism you happen to Reason by. but the jonah and fish is a Parable (like many stories in the Bible are Parables). it's a foretelling of something going to happen. whether a fish did in fact swallow Jonah and he was spit out that can be debated and even proven wrong in my view, the only thing about that story is the reference to time. a reference to TIME in the Scriptures are where someone who Believes pays most attention, not the story, but what is the Reason and Meaning behind that story. and the Reason and Meaning behind Jonah's 3 days is a Reference of how long the Messiah will remain Buried before Choosing to Resurrect. ^ this was also foretold by Yeshua (Jesus) Himself when He claimed, tear this TEMPLE DOWN and in 3 days I will Rebuild it. ^ naturally, they thought the physical building called the TEMPLE, when all along Yeshua is speaking of His own body (the Temple where the Soul resides). so by you assuming the fish/jonah story is trying to be bought off as factual is much like the Jews thinking Yeshua (Jesus) meant in terms of Temple Rebuilt in 3 days to the physical Temple Building...none of that is what it MEANS AT ALL!! |
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you know why they continued trying different dating methods (uranium, lead, electronic, radioactive, carbon is because those numbers WERE PROVEN SLEWED and WRONG YEARS AGO!! The reason why they use different dating methods is because there is no one method fits all tests. I even bold faced that in my comment. The true age of 4.56 billion years is deduced by multiple tests, observations and empirical reasoning. I also never stated I believe the Earth is 4.56 billion years old but that number is close enough. I believe the Earth is 4.91 billion years old because it took about 3-400 million years or more for it to gather and solidify and during that time, it was not solid, it was molten. Gravity caused the heaviest elements to sink to the center over time so to find the actual true age of planet Earth would require sampling the center of the solid inner core. |
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i was only copying/pasting what the Book Page for Exodus 3 (Shemot) looks like. Well, forgive my misunderstanding. We were talking about Adam, Eve and Nod at the time. i never said this is where ADAM can be found... ...all i did was show the PAGE of MY HEBREW BIBLE (that is all it is just the page showing EXODUS [Shemot) 3... You're right There was an extremely pathetic side to the surrender of these mighty fliers, the result of an age-old custom which demanded that surrender should be signalized by the voluntary plunging to earth of the commander of the vanquished vessel. One after another the brave fellows, holding their colors high above their heads, leaped from the towering bows of their mighty craft to an awful death. See, I too can reference unrelated things during a discussion. |
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Well the OP has gone long ago, couldn't wait around for the final answer. Quoting any passage from any book is quoting from the minds of men. Scientific claims are no more absurd than religious claims eg. Jonah and the whale, and Noah's ark full of all pairs of animals for 40 days. And in the end, evil thrives all around, and the good suffer; certainly not the product of a perfectionist all powerful loving but jealous creator. The proof is in the pudding. The 'creator's' human colony / society is a failure, destroying its habitat, and itself, and doomed to extinction if left alone. Burnt offerings, and frankincense and myrrh, and prayers to any deity aren't going to help. So maybe we do all go to hell when the Earth is uninhabitable, so the devil exists, and therefore so does god. laugh Religion is a belief system Science is a belief system Reality is an experience system. I choose to believe science over religion because science most closely aligns with the reality I experience. It makes the most sense to me. I'm more likely to believe a scientific explanation than a religious one. Not because I hate religion but because I trust science. When science is wrong it is usually because science proved it was wrong. Religion will never admit it was wrong. It is stale state. It argues, fights and forces to remain right despite reality. Egotistical and narcissistic. In reality there is cause and effect. In religion there is God's will, but only sometimes. ~~714~~ |
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I think many fanatics suffer from insecurity about their beliefs. Maybe they worry about what they would do if their belief system was proved to be wrong. They would probably feel very silly and that type of person probably can't handle it. Fanatics are not the only people who suffer from delusions. I believe every person able to have an imagination have some type of delusion. I also acknowledge despite my best efforts, I am still deluded about some things. I do know, when I started working to remove my delusions it was difficult to grasp the actual reality without delusion trying to grab back on. I also know, once I started getting rid of my delusions, my quality of life seemed to improve. Well, not my physical quality but my mental health certainly improved. I went from a negative view to a positive view on life. It was really scary at first but got easier with every delusion I removed. Reality is harsh and doesn't care. It got easier because by understanding the reality I was able to make changes in my thinking so I could exist in harmony with reality instead of stress, disappointment and confusion. I also noticed after I stopped watching and listening to public media, the media reinforces delusion. I find people who watch little TV and listen to little public radio are less delusional and generally more stable and content than those who fill their lives with it. Fanatic or not, delusional people will fight to keep their delusions. At least until their delusion truly lifts from their minds. Then they are okay. I still have things I wish I was still deluded about. Problem is, once the delusion is lifted, its nearly impossible to redelude yourself. |
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The reason why they use different dating methods is because there is no one method fits all tests. I even bold faced that in my comment. The true age of 4.56 billion years is deduced by multiple tests, observations and empirical reasoning. I also never stated I believe the Earth is 4.56 billion years old but that number is close enough. I believe the Earth is 4.91 billion years old because it took about 3-400 million years or more for it to gather and solidify and during that time, it was not solid, it was molten. Gravity caused the heaviest elements to sink to the center over time so to find the actual true age of planet Earth would require sampling the center of the solid inner core. i never claimed for one i believed that the Earth is only 6,000 years, nor do i believe the Creation story is 7 complete 24 hour days, i've mentioned the first flood (not Noah) due to the Earth's damage described in the Torah had to at least been 60,000 years, and there are numerous references revealing the Earth to be much older than 6,000 years. in fact, the only Reason the 6,000 year mark is important because that is when the Jews believe their real Messiah arrives. and they have been counting according to their own historical records (by which are included in the Torah) till present day and they are around the year 5,998/soon be 5,999 in couple months. ironically, the followers of Yeshua believe this is when the Antichrist comes. and the Muslims also believe their Messiah will come at the 6,000 year mark. basically, all 3 sects of Abraham, believe around the 6,000 year mark something will take place that is so unnatural it has to be concluded it has to be God...but it will be the Antichrist who misleads the masses. either way, we are not long to know one way or another for sure :) |
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Religion is a belief system Science is a belief system Reality is an experience system. I choose to believe science over religion because science most closely aligns with the reality I experience. It makes the most sense to me. I'm more likely to believe a scientific explanation than a religious one. Not because I hate religion but because I trust science. When science is wrong it is usually because science proved it was wrong. Religion will never admit it was wrong. It is stale state. It argues, fights and forces to remain right despite reality. Egotistical and narcissistic. In reality there is cause and effect. In religion there is God's will, but only sometimes. ~~714~~ does this mean you believe in evolution even though you have pointed out where mathematically it dead ends, like i also have? dead end means dead end even if you flip it upside down and on its side. |
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Fanatics are not the only people who suffer from delusions. I believe every person able to have an imagination have some type of delusion. I also acknowledge despite my best efforts, I am still deluded about some things. Tom, i am going to copy/paste something i posted on facebook and got actual backing. this is a story about a true encounter with Almighty God WITH WITNESSES!! after you read this, tell me, were we DELUSIONAL or of SANE MIND? Yesterday at 10:33 AM · i find it interesting that we are almost n the year 2020 and the things i do and say can be found 40 years ago from when Grandpa was stating them. i was thinking the other day, about when i spoke to my Dad about when Grandpa and Grandma McGlynn were in bed after a long and successful Revival had ran its course, and the SNAKE that crawled between them and then began SPEAKING to Grandpa to which Grandpa REBUKED the SNAKE it just VANISHED: then i remembered when Grandpa Jay Ousley passed away and we (my Dad, Mom, Betsy, Nana, Aunt Elaine, and myself) were driving to the funeral and ended up lost in the middle of West Virginia. my Dad prayed and was ready to grab the fuel can and begin walking the long dark highway when out of nowhere (when the literal past 5 hours NO TRAFFIC)a semi pulled over and loaded all of us up. THEN THE REAL STORY BEGINS: the driver of the semi LOOKED AT ALL OF US, KNEW OUR NAMES (we did not say i am...he ALREADY KNEW OUR NAMES AS IN ALL OF OUR NAMES) plus told us that WE WOULD ALL BE in Paradise one day. and then after dropping us off, the highways ran literally up and down steep hills. we watched him leave and head down the first valley but NEVER CAME UP THE OTHER SIDE. we were all like what just happened? by that time our vehicle was ready and we chose to go investigate. we concluded it was an ANGEL OF ALMIGHTY GOD because he was not sitting at the bottom of the valley, he was completely VANISHED and we watched and never saw him drive up the other side. those MIRACLES still happen today but not as often because peeps no longer believe as they did. but i can feel those MIRACLES erupting again because it's the "Last Days." and when they begin happening peeps better better get themselves wholeheartedly right with God!! 6 Comments Marcie: Like aunt Elaine said we have just been entertained by an angel. We didn't understand at the time but the Lord opened our eyes and understanding to what happened. We were saved from something we didn't even know was going on at the time. God revealed it to us when we got to our destination. He's always looking out for us. Delete or hide this Like · Reply · 1d Rich: and just not long ago, remember that guy i work with Bob who i was telling this same story and then called you and you said word for word what i did and he just about had a real JESUS moment there himself? he was a heroine addict and then was placed on the methadone treatment plan. that story and your confirmation hit him that he has not needed to go that treatment plan and not wanting heroine since that time. so this story has POWER because it is ABSOLUTE TRUTH!! Edit or delete this Like · Reply · 1d Marcie: Yes I remember talking with him. Tell him I'm so thankful he's found a true friend in JESUS. Delete or hide this Like · Reply · 1d Rich: i will. he is from Detroit and had friends who believed in God. and he said he knew God existed and was praying a lot in life. sometimes it just takes a literal touch revealing God to know just how real God is to have it finally click for yourself...now he knows that he knows God is REAL hahahahaha this is a TRUE and FACTUAL story that happened to my Aunt, my Grandmother, my Father, my Mother, my Sister, and Myself: you can see my mother discussing this. there are other comments confirming this but i listed my mother since SHE WAS THERE EXPERIENCING THIS WITH ME!! now, are we DELUSIONAL or did we SEE a real Angel of God? |
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and west virginia highways literally run up one hill and down the other so you will see a semi when it first heads down and then you can see it when it comes up the other side to go over the next hill.
and we watched and he NEVER went up other side to the next hill and when we went over that SAME HILL there was no semi anywhere. it literally just VANISHED before 6 people watching!! i know that was an angel. for one, we are from Indiana in West Virginia and the semi driver KNEW EVERYONE OF OUR NAMES. we did not have to say, i am Rich, HE ALREADY JUST KNEW IT!! we experienced this and my Aunt and Sister are both still alive with my Mother if there needs to be a PHONE CALL TO VERIFY (like i did with Bob who is now a healed heroine addict) if the FACEBOOK wasn't verification enough!! that is NO FLUKE, that was a literal visit by the God WHOM you claim does not care about humanity!! |
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does this mean you believe in evolution even though you have pointed out where mathematically it dead ends I don't believe in evolution but I do believe evolution happens in more ways that concerning life. As for mathematically dead ending? I guess that could be true if one were to be able to figure the mathematical equation for the time when the Universe reaches absolute zero. The Universe is evolving and since we are part of the Universe, we too are evolving. Since the evolution is random, chaotic, who knows what it is evolving to and what it may one day be when it freezes for the last time. No mathematics can predict with all variables unknown. The mathematics dead end, not the evolution of the Universe. Oh, BTW, Happy Halloween BOO! |
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