Scientific observation is full of miracles. While most of them do not answer fundamentally important questions like the miracles in the Bible, they are from God, they can be the essential tools for the exact needed service in this world for each other as followers of Christ in this life, sometimes literally life saving - no exaggeration or joke, and they help to build a language to understand and relate to each other who are with the Spirit, living in the present.

Accepting reality is not irreverent, It is accepting God. It is also therapeutic, for God’s glory and our good.

hey Narlycarnk,


i was doing some studying and i stumbled over some more evidence tying the Old Testament to the New Testament.


the topic is Abraham:

we know first of all, that from Book of Enoch, that Abraham is the Great Great Grandson of Noah, the Great Grandson of Sham, and lived wih Noah and Sham until Noah passed away.

then we know that Melchizedek (another place where Jesus makes His presence known in the Old Testament) was Abraham's person Pastor, High Priest and shared with Abraham the Plan of what will happen and eventually "New Jerusalem."

1. so how do we know Abraham knew Jesus' Plan 3700 years before Jesus was known to all on Earth?

in this passage of scripture we learn Jesus claim that He is God, the Jews Elohim, when He claims to be "I AM!!"
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but also in this passage leading to this reveal, Jesus also tells us that HE PERSONALLY "TOLD" Abraham about the Plan and then after that about the future New Jerusalem.

SO THE JEWS ASK JESUS:

John 8:
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

Jesus reply:

John 8:
54 Jesus answered: (verse 56 shows us where Jesus claims to have revealed His Plan to Abraham and Abraham loved it)(verse 58 where Jesus claims to be God with His infamous "I AM")

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.



2. and since we know the Plan of Jesus ultimately leads to the City called New Jerusalem, WHOSE FOUNDATIONS are built by God, but how do we know specifically that Abraham knew about this one day COMING CITY?

Hebrews 11:8-10 (verse 10 specifically)

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

10 For he [[[looked for a (((city which hath foundations))), whose builder and maker is God]]].




i love how the WORD of GOD (Authored by God's Spirit) through the followers of Yah, just wrote what God instructed them to. And then, throughout literally thousands of years, centuries, generations, that the very presence of God (Jesus/Yeshua) reveals a plan to Abraham, then comes to Earth as our Messiah, and then later as Paul would claim, Jesus is the one who directs what he said, preached, and wrote in his 13 Letters, and within Hebrews, ties the entire Plot of Yeshua to Abraham revealing that from the very BEGINNING of our (the Jews, the Muslims) foundational belief until Paul, Yeshua was still reminding US OF THE PLAN of the "Coming City whose foundations are built by GOD!!"

the Word of God is the Ultimate Giant Puzzle!!

and when we can figure it out and put the pieces together properly, it reveals what we as Believers have BEEN SEEKING all along. That from "word GO," Yeshua kept His WORD all along and continued the Plan!!

it's times like this that give that extra nudge of Security, for Believing and Knowing, that God truly Exists and His WORD is Golden and Truth!!

i am envious and literally ashamed of being so jealous of Science it is silly. but they are in a facility, paid for, to observe the unknown. and even when they aim their telescopes to new coordinates and find new possible discoveries, it's what they are LITERALLY BEING ABLE TO SEE that makes me envious of them. they are so BLESSED to be able to observe what we are not privileged to!!

yep, they really have no idea they are observing God in so many ways that it literally binds their perception of Reality!!

so do that mean you didn't try to do anything to stop them from burning alive because the voice told you not to

we were trapped and what happened did in ways you dont train for other than kissing your butt goodbye or riding it out and praying. and thats only if you can separate whats happening with help me God?

but you stated that you heard a voice that said that you will be ok and you believed yourself to be the chosen one ..so why didn't you use that opportunity to aid the others that were burning

never said was the chosen one. but i was focused on what i was hearing. those around (in those few literal seconds) could have been experiencing what i was. it was just like snapping your fingers a handful of times. my experience made me relax i believe more than anything and that is what kept me from bodily harm. and i did not hear the others will die. i just thought alive and that was enough to take my attention off things. i really just think i was trapped by velocity, thrust, and force and it just kept me trapped in place until it was over. and i don't even remember if i remember when it was over.

sorry but you did claimed to be the chosen one as indicated in your post below, I intentionally left it out because I knew you would lie about it


oops...Mr. IAm the chosen one ...it appears you were busted in a lie ...


wouldn't watching them burned alive perhaps been a clue


in other words you was frozen in fear

chosen one by God can mean death like the Disciples endured :
burning, boiling in oil, crucified upside down, beaten and literally broken, pulled apart by animals, so many ways the Romans had envisioned to apply Pleasure upon their subjects.





cannot be busted for repeating God, you are only confirming. but chosen to God can be to die, how to die, to lead, to teach, to whatever a person can do to share the Gospel





i thought i was burning but was not feeling the pain myself. it was too fast to format the things you ask.





i was frozen to my seat literally for the amount of time we were moving by whatever means were forced upon us. take a rope and just flip and snap it. now imagine being on that rope when you do that. was there time enough to calculate every single move being made while you're holding on for dear life and just waiting for the movement to stop?

except you stated that you never claimed to be The Chosen One until I pointed out the post in which you did claim to be The Chosen One ...and that was how you got busted telling a flat out Lie ...I don't see how you can spin your way out of this ...

but anyway taking into the "remote" possibility that the story you told is true, you being frozen in fear doesn't fit the criteria that God exist or that the laws of physics were somehow broken... it just seems like you were lucky and now you're suffering from a case of Survivor's Guilt, you can't explain what happened therefore it must be God or Leprechauns

If you don't believe in a god then luck (good or bad) and coincidence can explain everything that is attributed to god by those too lazy to see what really happened.

Help me Geebers.
Praise the gourd.
Beware the deviled ham.

i still do not claim to be the chosen one, but that has not been my only life/death situation where God has intervened. i once questioned if that was God, now i am most certain!!

that's why it's a good thing that your lie have been memorialized on page 40 post 9 for all eternity ...perhaps if you purchase a mingle2 upgrade you can get a moderator to delete it


you mean there are other instances in which a voice cause you to become frozen in fear and refrain from aiding others around you


he showed you his Drivers License?

you can push all you want, funches, but those experiences are more motivating than your attempts.

what i found in them can never be swayed by anyone.

and not feeling chosen compared to being chosen are 2 separate realities all together..

I've been saved from drowning twice, and several other certain death accidents avoided by doing something out of character more than once; I have instinctively but unknowingly prepared for events, or visited a place exactly when needed, without any known reason (until later); and many other 'miracles'.

I don't attribute any of it to any deity or being or thing, other than maybe ancestors on a different plane giving me a 'heads up' here.

But I do attribute it to physics and harmonics and chemistry and entropy and interactions of cycles of energy radiation, reflectance, and absorption, etc., all following their own laws without deviation, and occurring in cascades of harmonically timed sequences of events, from sub molecular electron spin and local states of attraction and synchronisation, to intergalactic 'cataclysms'.

Cause and effect, energy finding the path of least resistance, anions and cations combining, electrons finding un filled atoms, etc, all happening according to proximity, velocity, direction, attitude, which was set 'just so', because of the entities in question following the same laws the instant before. A nebulous, seemingly chaotic chain of events following logical sequences in waves strictly according to the laws, ad infinitum - that is until matter and other energies no longer interact. Because of distance, trajectory, cold, other.

We don't know exactly what the laws are, but everything in this world follows them regardless, from billion year old rocks to quasars, and black holes, and your dinner.

No sign of any creator or god or manipulator. Just order appearing as disorder.

Even the mysteries of inside quarks, and gravity, etc. have laws they follow for whatever reason. Just because it is mysterious doesn't mean god.

So no free will, what is and ever was, is according to the cascade of physics.

Sequences of events made you believe what you believe, without divine intervention; but with your interpretations of events you perceived as a result of synaptic chemistry, metered by its component parts (atoms) and their natural entropic chains of events.

Good seers do see the future, because it is a natural and inevitable progression of and from what is now, following the laws without deviation.

And when I wear my propeller hat with its tin foil lining, I am following the laws of physics, and doing what entropy provided for me to do.

No god needed to explain anything.