Topic: More Liberal Hypocricy err Logic!
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Tue 12/27/16 03:49 PM
Honolulu’s Café 8 ½ gets rave reviews on Yelp for its “Radiatore Verde” and “Italian stir fry,” among other popular dishes at the eclectic mom-and-pop restaurant – but the response to its new 'policy' barring pro-Trump patrons has been decidedly more mixed.
A bright yellow, handmade sign posted on the restaurant's front glass door declares: “If you voted for Trump you cannot eat here! No Nazis.”

A photo of the sign was shared with FoxNews.com. One also is proudly posted on the café’s Facebook page, and was “liked” by some 40 people.

“…The next time you're in Honolulu, eat lunch here, not only are they on the right side of things, the food is delicious and reasonable,” one Facebook user wrote next to the photo.
Others aren’t so charmed.

Honolulu resident and Donald Trump voter Susan Roberts told FoxNews.com she found the sign in “extreme poor taste.”
“It's childish and very unprofessional,” she said in an email. “… The restaurant owner doesn't have to worry ... I will not be stepping foot in that establishment.”

Willes Lee, former chairman of the Hawaii Republican Party and now president of National Federation of Republican Assemblies, told FoxNews.com the sign is discriminatory, and harkens back to “racist and hate-filled” days before statehood.

“Remember when Filipinos couldn't go in certain places, or Japanese wouldn't be allowed [in] many homes? And, it didn't matter who they voted for,” said Lee, who is of Japanese descent.

“People should be able to get food without hearing a political message,” one apparent former customer wrote on Yelp. “I will never go back.” 

According to the Honolulu Star-Advertiser, the café was founded by Robert Warner, a former hair stylist for Vidal Sassoon in San Francisco and former restaurateur in Seattle, along with his wife Jali.

Reached for comment Tuesday, Jali downplayed the sign's supposed ban. She told FoxNews.com the restaurant is not actually asking customers whether they voted for President-elect Trump, and said even if they see a customer with a Trump shirt, “we don’t put anything different [in] your food.”

“Robert just wants to express how much he doesn’t like Trump,” Jali said. “If people take it personally or it hurts them, we cannot help. That’s why we say they have [a] choice if they want to come or not come. We don’t force them.”

She said three people called to complain about the sign when it first went up, “that’s it.”

“We don’t want to create trouble,” Jali said. “There is enough trouble in the world.” 

While Jali is soft-spoken, Warner, some customers note, is known to channel the “soup Nazi” persona of New York City and “Seinfeld” fame -- “throwing pots and pans,” “telling off customers,” and “hanging not-so-friendly reminders on butcher paper for his customers to read.”

But another Yelp reviewer took issue with the attitude and the sign, writing: “It was funny on Seinfeld, but this place can rot away. Stay away. Hawaii ain't like this. There's a lot of better places on the island than to have deal with extra crap like this.”

Hawaii overwhelmingly supported Hillary Clinton during the Nov. 8 election, and historically has supported Democrats in local and national races. In fact, just six Republicans are in the 51-member House, and the 25-member Senate is GOP-free.

Now that the election is over, however, Lee said most residents want to just get on with their lives.

“The [restaurant] owners might want to make a better sign,” he said, “since Trump will undoubtedly be in office for eight years.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/27/cannot-eat-here-hawaii-caf-riles-residents-with-ban-on-trump-voters.html

So let me see if I can figure this out. A married Republican couple refuse to make a wedding cake for a gay couples wedding because it is against their religion beliefs but a Democrat couple can refuse to do business with Trump supporters and that ok?

That is the same damn thing. If they get to cry discrimination, then so do we and we should!

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Tue 12/27/16 04:12 PM
All bars should have,
"Cougars Only Happy Hour" to loosen them up a bit before we get there.tongue2

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Tue 12/27/16 04:47 PM

Honolulu’s Café 8 ½ gets rave reviews on Yelp for its “Radiatore Verde” and “Italian stir fry,” among other popular dishes at the eclectic mom-and-pop restaurant – but the response to its new 'policy' barring pro-Trump patrons has been decidedly more mixed.
A bright yellow, handmade sign posted on the restaurant's front glass door declares: “If you voted for Trump you cannot eat here! No Nazis.”

A photo of the sign was shared with FoxNews.com. One also is proudly posted on the café’s Facebook page, and was “liked” by some 40 people.

“…The next time you're in Honolulu, eat lunch here, not only are they on the right side of things, the food is delicious and reasonable,” one Facebook user wrote next to the photo.
Others aren’t so charmed.

Honolulu resident and Donald Trump voter Susan Roberts told FoxNews.com she found the sign in “extreme poor taste.”
“It's childish and very unprofessional,” she said in an email. “… The restaurant owner doesn't have to worry ... I will not be stepping foot in that establishment.”

Willes Lee, former chairman of the Hawaii Republican Party and now president of National Federation of Republican Assemblies, told FoxNews.com the sign is discriminatory, and harkens back to “racist and hate-filled” days before statehood.

“Remember when Filipinos couldn't go in certain places, or Japanese wouldn't be allowed [in] many homes? And, it didn't matter who they voted for,” said Lee, who is of Japanese descent.

“People should be able to get food without hearing a political message,” one apparent former customer wrote on Yelp. “I will never go back.” 

According to the Honolulu Star-Advertiser, the café was founded by Robert Warner, a former hair stylist for Vidal Sassoon in San Francisco and former restaurateur in Seattle, along with his wife Jali.

Reached for comment Tuesday, Jali downplayed the sign's supposed ban. She told FoxNews.com the restaurant is not actually asking customers whether they voted for President-elect Trump, and said even if they see a customer with a Trump shirt, “we don’t put anything different [in] your food.”

“Robert just wants to express how much he doesn’t like Trump,” Jali said. “If people take it personally or it hurts them, we cannot help. That’s why we say they have [a] choice if they want to come or not come. We don’t force them.”

She said three people called to complain about the sign when it first went up, “that’s it.”

“We don’t want to create trouble,” Jali said. “There is enough trouble in the world.” 

While Jali is soft-spoken, Warner, some customers note, is known to channel the “soup Nazi” persona of New York City and “Seinfeld” fame -- “throwing pots and pans,” “telling off customers,” and “hanging not-so-friendly reminders on butcher paper for his customers to read.”

But another Yelp reviewer took issue with the attitude and the sign, writing: “It was funny on Seinfeld, but this place can rot away. Stay away. Hawaii ain't like this. There's a lot of better places on the island than to have deal with extra crap like this.”

Hawaii overwhelmingly supported Hillary Clinton during the Nov. 8 election, and historically has supported Democrats in local and national races. In fact, just six Republicans are in the 51-member House, and the 25-member Senate is GOP-free.

Now that the election is over, however, Lee said most residents want to just get on with their lives.

“The [restaurant] owners might want to make a better sign,” he said, “since Trump will undoubtedly be in office for eight years.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/27/cannot-eat-here-hawaii-caf-riles-residents-with-ban-on-trump-voters.html

So let me see if I can figure this out. A married Republican couple refuse to make a wedding cake for a gay couples wedding because it is against their religion beliefs but a Democrat couple can refuse to do business with Trump supporters and that ok?

That is the same damn thing. If they get to cry discrimination, then so do we and we should!


I think this whole exercise that the restaurant owner is doing will blow up in his face. He will lose a lot of customers.. from all parties. Because I feel the vast majority of people don't appreciate any person being denied service because of their political views.

Only the narrow minded ( and bitter) few will agree with what he is doing

In my opinion, the owner did a disservice to ALL his customers.


IgorFrankensteen's photo
Tue 12/27/16 05:13 PM
That mess doesn't represent liberalism, any more than the folks refusing to serve gay people last year, represented conservatism.


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Tue 12/27/16 08:20 PM
I seem to recall the story of a tow truck driver who got to the scene and refused to serve the customer because of her political sticker for a democrat


the deal is, either the establishment/person is serious in their convictions, in which case their INTENTION is to streamline their business to certain demographics, or they are trying to get a moment of free publicity by doing something sensational


in the end, its their risk to take, if they lose business, it only impacts their pocketbooks and plenty of others will fill the need if they choose not to

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Wed 12/28/16 07:46 AM
serious in their convictions... really?

Its discrimination, pure and simple. Had the owner refused Jews, Catholics, Asians,whites or blacks.. would it be any different?

It is discrimination.

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Wed 12/28/16 08:09 AM
He should put up some Che and Fidel posters too, they are real crowd pleasers. If he want's to be a jerk, loose business and support a loosing cause, let him.

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Wed 12/28/16 09:01 AM

serious in their convictions... really?

Its discrimination, pure and simple. Had the owner refused Jews, Catholics, Asians,whites or blacks.. would it be any different?

It is discrimination.


yes, convictions and discrimination are not exclusive of each other

I have a conviction against affairs, so I discriminate in my home not allowing people to come and carry on their affairs there


discrimination against behaviors and words(things under a persons control, choices) is part of keeping standards

discrimination against things people have no choice in, is part of being a bigot



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Wed 12/28/16 09:39 AM


serious in their convictions... really?

Its discrimination, pure and simple. Had the owner refused Jews, Catholics, Asians,whites or blacks.. would it be any different?

It is discrimination.


yes, convictions and discrimination are not exclusive of each other

I have a conviction against affairs, so I discriminate in my home not allowing people to come and carry on their affairs there


discrimination against behaviors and words(things under a persons control, choices) is part of keeping standards

discrimination against things people have no choice in, is part of being a bigot




suppose the Shoe was on the other foot,Hillary had won,and he would be refusing to serve anyone who had voted for her?
What say you?
Would you be so quick to absolve him?bigsmile

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Wed 12/28/16 09:43 AM
I believe I did. As I said, there was a thread months back about a tow truck driver refusing service to a Hillary supporter, and I said the same.

It only hurts HIM and his pocketbook, and people often streamline their demographics by what service or goods they offer.

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Wed 12/28/16 02:40 PM
Meant to post this here

I went back and read the tow truck thread. That guy was called anti-American and stupid, etc

As I said there, they have a right to refuse service (like the bakers and tow truck) just as others don't have to do business with them

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Wed 12/28/16 06:04 PM
So let me see if I can figure this out.

The people refused to bake a cake for a gay couple directly refused service, didn't bake a cake that was ordered.

The Hawaiian restaurant posted a flyer, but there is no indication they refused service to anyone.

If you read in the paper tomorrow "Hawaiian restaurant that posted a flyer refused to fulfill my order!" or "Hawaiian restaurant that posted no Trump voters is asking everyone who they voted for to determine who they serve," then you'd have something comparable.

That is the same damn thing

Not really.
Only if they attempt to enforce what they posted.

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Thu 12/29/16 04:21 AM
also surrounding the issue of T.....i don't think civiliance there can count on some sore of financial system but the social reunion it self......if such kind of original problem it self the hawaii state can't provide then what will be the goverment main aim? to persuade those japanese by using the time machine made by dora An to stop WW2 happen? that's kind of big joke right? reunion the hawaii will find it's own way which more suitable to it's sistituation....to the customers.... i'v never define they're not for the same purpose travel around......you don't tell me that this will be the fountain of youth of hawaii.....beside there are month of daily life to resolve......also the unpredictable disasters of vocano near by......also the tunami....and these things condems as those behide should conserns.......the A.O.B.O.P.O.M already kind of example to us....will it be the next one? no doubt to it......they have many Michael Phelps there I bet $1 if they do think other wise.....yea other wise...as the old dude bush should did so years before.....but he missing it......drinker

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Fri 12/30/16 02:26 AM

Meant to post this here

I went back and read the tow truck thread. That guy was called anti-American and stupid, etc

As I said there, they have a right to refuse service (like the bakers and tow truck) just as others don't have to do business with them


I agree, but when one business that refuses to make a wedding cake for a gay marriage that is against their beliefs and are forced to close their business to do a law suit over it and they lose their home it is very hypocritical that the same doesn't happen here.

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Fri 12/30/16 05:04 PM

So let me see if I can figure this out.

The people refused to bake a cake for a gay couple directly refused service, didn't bake a cake that was ordered.

The Hawaiian restaurant posted a flyer, but there is no indication they refused service to anyone.

If you read in the paper tomorrow "Hawaiian restaurant that posted a flyer refused to fulfill my order!" or "Hawaiian restaurant that posted no Trump voters is asking everyone who they voted for to determine who they serve," then you'd have something comparable.

That is the same damn thing

Not really.
Only if they attempt to enforce what they posted.



the baker incident was blatantly unconstitutional as congress shall pass no law establishing a religion (and the part that seems always forgotten) nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof

the Cristian baker believing as it is written in the bible that homosexual behavior is an abomination was practicing his religious freedom not to promote a behavior that was against his beliefs