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Obarry is building a wall around his house in Washington... just saying...
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I agree, and I don't.
The legal ramifications of being in someones home is not automatically arrest, it depends much on details, like the vacancy of the home and the initial entry,,,etc,,, There is no simple solution really. There are many factors to consider aside from if someone has 'snuck' in For one, not all illegals SNUCK in, many came in the 'right' way but then let papers lapse for whatever reason and remained. For two, not all illegals were of age to be held accountable when their PARENTS brought them. So do they all get the same consequence, whether they came in the right way or came in as children or just plain 'snuck' in? I do believe details should matter and the 'solution' has to be as complex as the problem. |
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I agree, and I don't. The legal ramifications of being in someones home is not automatically arrest, it depends much on details, like the vacancy of the home and the initial entry,,,etc,,, There is no simple solution really. There are many factors to consider aside from if someone has 'snuck' in For one, not all illegals SNUCK in, many came in the 'right' way but then let papers lapse for whatever reason and remained. For two, not all illegals were of age to be held accountable when their PARENTS brought them. So do they all get the same consequence, whether they came in the right way or came in as children or just plain 'snuck' in? I do believe details should matter and the 'solution' has to be as complex as the problem. not really...sneaking in and trying to do things the legal way are two different things... and if we look at what trump is saying, he, like most others in the US, isn't really worried about the law abiding illegals, we want the criminal element out and to stay out... remember the illegal who shot and killed the young woman in cali? he was deported 6 times before her life was lost... |
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I can understand wanting violent criminals out, or at the least imprisoned
but current rhetoric lumps all 'criminals' together,, whether violent or dangerous or just working hard for a better life |
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I can understand wanting violent criminals out, or at the least imprisoned but current rhetoric lumps all 'criminals' together,, whether violent or dangerous or just working hard for a better life i guess we can wait and see what actually happens... |
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The legal ramifications of being in someones home is not automatically arrest, it depends much on details, like the vacancy of the home and the initial entry,,,etc,,,
_____________________________________________________________________ Well, when America becomes a vacant land then maybe that will hold water.. because no one will be here to care. But its not a vacant country and they are breaking into it.. uninvited and illegal They know they are breaking the law when they come.. thus the " sneaking" in part. If they felt they were not breaking the law they would walk right up to the manned border crossing.. wouldn't they |
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if they come in and someone pays them for a job,,,,thats sort of like an invitation,,,
but people do things that are breaking the law,, for their families, even though they know the law forbids it,,thats true and the complex issues are the deterrents to breaking the law and the consequence to breaking the law there are different types of 'homicide' with different levels of consequence and accountability the same can be said of 'illegal' immigration,,, I am not advocating that all illegal immigrants should get a pass,, Im just advocating that all illegal immigrant should not suffer the same 'consequence' because they each have unique situations with details that are not all 'the same' |
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if they come in and someone pays them for a job,,,,thats sort of like an invitation,,,
___________________________________________________________________ No it is not. Nobody invited them in. They had no job when they snuck in. And for arguments sake. If John Q Public was standing at the border asking them to cross over, that he has a job for them. Does that somehow make it a legal entry into a foreign country?. Does that somehow make it o.k.. They are illegal immigrants.. no matter which way you look at it, there is nothing complex about it. They are breaking the law of the host country. Not paying taxes and being a strain on the services... oh, but lets give them a pass.. they make a great pizza. They skirted the process while 10's of 1,000's try to do it the right way. What makes them special that they should not have to follow the rules? Is their poverty or hardships any different them someone from Africa who is trying to get into America the right way. Fact is, most trying to get legally in have it a hell of a lot tougher then the Mexicans... much tougher |
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Edited by
darkowl1
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Sat 01/21/17 01:35 PM
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IT's funny how people think a wall will solve this.... first off, there are tunnels under walls that are already built. many many that haven't been found, and a few that have..... and then they just fly drones over a water border, nice and low, and they are almost NEVER detected. a wall won't stop Jack Schitt, but it'll make jobs I guess.
Where the money will come from? what..... Mexico? a poor country??? oh wait... he'll get the rich drug lords to pay for it...  Taxing the illegal drugs that come into this country. yep! they are most certainly on board!  The wall will come from us! WEEEE.... will end up paying for it through hiked taxes. someone keeps thinking he can get blood from plastic. A wall might.... might slow Immigration down a little, but they will find a way. they always do... and drugs? nope. you ain't stoppin drugs. Too many people want em, including insiders. Nope, that will never stop. |
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if they come in and someone pays them for a job,,,,thats sort of like an invitation,,, ___________________________________________________________________ No it is not. Nobody invited them in. They had no job when they snuck in. And for arguments sake. If John Q Public was standing at the border asking them to cross over, that he has a job for them. Does that somehow make it a legal entry into a foreign country?. Does that somehow make it o.k.. They are illegal immigrants.. no matter which way you look at it, there is nothing complex about it. They are breaking the law of the host country. Not paying taxes and being a strain on the services... oh, but lets give them a pass.. they make a great pizza. They skirted the process while 10's of 1,000's try to do it the right way. What makes them special that they should not have to follow the rules? Is their poverty or hardships any different them someone from Africa who is trying to get into America the right way. Fact is, most trying to get legally in have it a hell of a lot tougher then the Mexicans... much tougher you can believe if Africans were on the same continent they would come in any way they could too but there are natural borders and distances which make the task much more complicated to pull off I am not privvy to 'facts' about the conditions of those coming legally vs those not I do know that the laws give preference to those who DONT Have it hard,,,, |
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if they come in and someone pays them for a job,,,,thats sort of like an invitation,,, ___________________________________________________________________ No it is not. Nobody invited them in. They had no job when they snuck in. And for arguments sake. If John Q Public was standing at the border asking them to cross over, that he has a job for them. Does that somehow make it a legal entry into a foreign country?. Does that somehow make it o.k.. They are illegal immigrants.. no matter which way you look at it, there is nothing complex about it. They are breaking the law of the host country. Not paying taxes and being a strain on the services... oh, but lets give them a pass.. they make a great pizza. They skirted the process while 10's of 1,000's try to do it the right way. What makes them special that they should not have to follow the rules? Is their poverty or hardships any different them someone from Africa who is trying to get into America the right way. Fact is, most trying to get legally in have it a hell of a lot tougher then the Mexicans... much tougher you can believe if Africans were on the same continent they would come in any way they could too but there are natural borders and distances which make the task much more complicated to pull off I am not privvy to 'facts' about the conditions of those coming legally vs those not I do know that the laws give preference to those who DONT Have it hard,,,, Well, I can only go by my own experience, but the ones I met literally ran for their lives from their country.. or were dirt poor. And here they are now.. American citizens. So, clearly the Government does take in the less fortunate. But were getting off the point. There is no gray area..no invitations... you are legally in the country... or you are not. that's it. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 01/21/17 03:03 PM
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having gone through the process to try to get my spouse here, I know that those who are 'suffering' are not going to get in unless they apply for 'refugee' status immigration requires you prove before hand that you have the means to support yourself, or that you have a sponsor with the means as far as the 'illegal' status its like saying you killed someone or you didnt there are different levels, based upon the details perhaps 'illegal' for those of age who enter illegally perhaps 'immigrant minor' for those not of age to have a choice of how they entered and perhaps 'expired immigrant' for those who come legally and dont renew the forms,,,, |
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having gone through the process to try to get my spouse here, I know that those who are 'suffering' are not going to get in unless they apply for 'refugee' status immigration requires you prove before hand that you have the means to support yourself, or that you have a sponsor with the means as far as the 'illegal' status its like saying you killed someone or you didnt there are different levels, based upon the details perhaps 'illegal' for those of age who enter illegally perhaps 'immigrant minor' for those not of age to have a choice of how they entered and perhaps 'expired immigrant' for those who come legally and dont renew the forms,,,, Or perhaps we call them what they are ... Illegals... no need to make tiered system for them. Why should we adapt to their inability to follow the rules of OUR country. They wanted in.. right?, then follow the rules.. or your out...I will call it.. tier 1 |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 01/21/17 03:34 PM
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when people jaywalk, they arent 'following' rules
when people drive drunk or speed they arent 'following rules' but we aknowledge the details of their 'illegal' action and react accordingly instead of all the same all the time thats how the legal system works,,, there should be enforcement at the existing borders to stop people from entering there should also be enforcement INSIDE the borders against people who hire them for their 'menial' tasks or for less than pay to remove the INCENTIVE for them trying in the first place someone brought as a child , with no choice, who went on to be lawabiding and contributing to society,, should not be treated the same as some 35 year old single man jumping the fence all ILLEGAL,, but not all THE SAME I find it odd, that so much emphasis is placed ONLY on those trying to improve impoverised dismal lives, and very little is ever mentioned of those employers and posh citizens who are reaping the benefits,,,,,, |
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Our money money might be better well spent on the wall rather than spent on all the vacationing.
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you know, for me its not even really about the wall itself. Its about somebody doing something of substance to address the issue. And that has been lacking for far too long
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The way I understood it was violent illegals to be removed, i'm assuming that would include the children of illegals who are living violently.
If they're living a good productive life in the US, they would be fast tracked a legal status, paying taxes, then they can send whatever is left to mexico, you know, to support their extended family members. you have no idea how much money is syphoned out of our countries without paying taxes... it's a whole economy for mexico, I feel bad, they will suffer but your country cant carry the burden any longer, the pendulum had to swing sooner or later, this could have been handled better by past administrations but here we are... with trump |
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The way I understood it was violent illegals to be removed, i'm assuming that would include the children of illegals who are living violently. If they're living a good productive life in the US, they would be fast tracked a legal status, paying taxes, then they can send whatever is left to mexico, you know, to support their extended family members. you have no idea how much money is syphoned out of our countries without paying taxes... it's a whole economy for mexico, I feel bad, they will suffer but your country cant carry the burden any longer, the pendulum had to swing sooner or later, this could have been handled better by past administrations but here we are... with trump I agree Johnn, if you are a honest hardworking illegal.. then get legal for Christ Sakes and start contributing to the country you are taking form. But if your not and if you are a illegal in one of our jails or prison... they you get the football drop kick out. And the flow HAS to stop..no country can continue to bare the cost of a never ending flow of undocumsanted people.. no country. |
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All other Countries have Immigration Laws which they enforce... Why not enforce the Laws we have... Does anyone really know the Mexican Immigration Laws as far as if those from America moves there?? If not maybe they should check them out we are not free to just move their.. Matter of fact they are pretty strict even on their own.. So why is it so hard for all to believe, we need to enforce these laws??? Not saying they can not move to the States just do it legally.. It is a shame that those illegally here have more rights then our Vets! I don't have a problem with anyone wanting to live in America or anywhere in the world, just go about it the legal way.. And no matter what everyone thinks this President will not go in and deport them all most likely will do what Presidents prior did. Give those that can prove they have worked or been here for at least 5 years time to stay and get their paper work done the right way... Then add a Tax of $5 - $15 for every transaction of money sent from the USA to Mexico.... Use that money to build The Wall and maintain it... As well all the Drug Cartel Money confiscated along the border goes to the fund as well... Aha you the one whom knowing about those mow......yea mow~mow~mow~mow~mow~~~~mow~mow~mow~mow!!!!!!!!!~~~~~
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The way I understood it was violent illegals to be removed, i'm assuming that would include the children of illegals who are living violently. If they're living a good productive life in the US, they would be fast tracked a legal status, paying taxes, then they can send whatever is left to mexico, you know, to support their extended family members. you have no idea how much money is syphoned out of our countries without paying taxes... it's a whole economy for mexico, I feel bad, they will suffer but your country cant carry the burden any longer, the pendulum had to swing sooner or later, this could have been handled better by past administrations but here we are... with trump I agree Johnn, if you are a honest hardworking illegal.. then get legal for Christ Sakes and start contributing to the country you are taking form. But if your not and if you are a illegal in one of our jails or prison... they you get the football drop kick out. And the flow HAS to stop..no country can continue to bare the cost of a never ending flow of undocumsanted people.. no country. I agree with you both. I really don't see why so many don't think that we should not go by the Laws before us, to do things the right way. How hard is it to see that the Laws that are on the books already need to be enforced??? So many of the things that Trump is saying is actually Laws already on the books but are not being enforced.. There are Laws about Employer's hiring illegals but yet they are not being enforced at all.. The system actually needs to be upgraded as far as how Employers can turn in information to a system to verify if one is legal prior to being hired.. Do many even know if you hire a Illegal then find out their paper work is false that is no reason to fire a employee?? We have had several Presidents all say they was going to make the borders tighter... And several times they have allowed those that have been in America for at least 5 years the chance to get the paperwork done and stay... They have certain things they have to do and one of them is going to Immigration when instructed to check in with all the paperwork that is needed to show they are upstanding..If they fail to do so then all of their paper work is no longer any good and subject to go back pretty simple.. As long as they follow the Laws fill out the paper work ect they are allowed to stay... We all live by the Laws of the Land if at any time we break those Laws we are subject to the consequences from our actions... |
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