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Topic: what voter fraud?
mightymoe's photo
Sun 02/12/17 09:58 AM
Rosa Ortega, a Mexican citizen, has been convicted of voter fraud and sentenced to 8 years in prison in Texas after inadvertently admitting to election officials that she had been voting in Dallas County for years. Apparently the voting fraud was discovered by chance after Ortega tried to register to vote in Tarrant County but was rejected after she admitted that she was not actually a citizen of the United States. While she should have probably just accepted the rejection, Ortega pushed back by arguing that she had already been voting in Dallas County, an argument that drew the attention of investigators.

Ortega's voting privileges were approved in Dallas after she falsified her application by claiming to be a citizen. Of course, liberal lawyers, funded by George Soros, have done a masterful job convincing courts around the country that verifying things like a person's identity and citizenship status prior to allowing them to vote is unconstitutional. Per CBS:

Prosecutors say the reason officials at the elections department in Dallas didn't stop the voter fraud from happening is because Rosa Ortega claimed she was a citizen on her application.

Now the Tarrant County D.A.'s office is calling for those claims to be verified before handing out registration cards.

Prosecutors said whether this case prompts elections officials to verify citizenship is an issue for the legislature.

As you may recall, we wrote about a similar incident back in September in which the Cascade Mall shooter, a Turkish citizen, who killed 5 people in the state of Washington was found to have also been illegally voting for years. And, just like the case above, Washington's Secretary of State noted that there was no way to prevent the voter fraud because "we don't have a provision in state law that allows either county elections officials or the Secretary of State's office to verify someone's citizenship."

"We don't have a provision in state law that allows either county elections officials or the Secretary of State's office to verify someone's citizenship. So, we're in this place where we want to make sure we're maintaining people's confidence in the elections and the integrity of the process, but also that we're giving this individual, like we would any voter, his due process. We're moving forward, and that investigation is really coming out of the investigation from the shootings."

"The penalties are very serious. That's why we want to make sure we're very measured, and this is why we want to make sure we're very calm and purposeful in how we move forward. The stakes are very high on both sides. You want to keep the confidence level high, but you also want to protect the voting rights of everyone."

"Our hands are kind of tied, but make no mistake, we want to make sure that everybody has confidence that people casting ballots are eligible. This is certainly going to be a topic at next legislation."

Of course, Ortega's lawyer tried to argue that a learning disability made it impossible for her to comprehend the complex laws that allow only U.S. citizens to vote in U.S. elections...Sure, because why wouldn't Mexican citizens be allowed to vote in the U.S.?

Her attorney said she has a learning disability and was confused about the difference between being a citizen and a legal resident, so she thought she was allowed to vote.

"The jury didn't believe that story. They believed that the defendant knew exactly what she was doing, and they responded accordingly," Prosecutor Jonathan White said.

"Once she gets out of prison and she's deported, does she bring her four minor children to Mexico? As a mother I think that would be a difficult choice for her," Birdsall said.

We're currently awaiting confirmation from Democrats and MSNBC that there is still no concrete evidence of voter fraud and that Trump's vow to conduct a "major investigation" into the topic is still just a political sham.

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Sun 02/12/17 10:47 AM
I'm wondering what her attorney will do in the end and what will happen to her children. It is indeed a very sad situation.

msharmony's photo
Sun 02/12/17 10:54 AM
agreed lu

fraud is an intention to deceive

this seems a matter of 'are you people wrong now or were you wrong then'

I feel for her, I wish more native born citizens took voting so serious

I also wish there were those who could assist non natives in understanding the details and guidelines,,,

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 02/12/17 10:59 AM

Rosa Ortega, a Mexican citizen, has been convicted of voter fraud and sentenced to 8 years in prison in Texas after inadvertently admitting to election officials that she had been voting in Dallas County for years. Apparently the voting fraud was discovered by chance after Ortega tried to register to vote in Tarrant County but was rejected after she admitted that she was not actually a citizen of the United States. While she should have probably just accepted the rejection, Ortega pushed back by arguing that she had already been voting in Dallas County, an argument that drew the attention of investigators.

Ortega's voting privileges were approved in Dallas after she falsified her application by claiming to be a citizen. Of course, liberal lawyers, funded by George Soros, have done a masterful job convincing courts around the country that verifying things like a person's identity and citizenship status prior to allowing them to vote is unconstitutional. Per CBS:

Prosecutors say the reason officials at the elections department in Dallas didn't stop the voter fraud from happening is because Rosa Ortega claimed she was a citizen on her application.

Now the Tarrant County D.A.'s office is calling for those claims to be verified before handing out registration cards.

Prosecutors said whether this case prompts elections officials to verify citizenship is an issue for the legislature.

As you may recall, we wrote about a similar incident back in September in which the Cascade Mall shooter, a Turkish citizen, who killed 5 people in the state of Washington was found to have also been illegally voting for years. And, just like the case above, Washington's Secretary of State noted that there was no way to prevent the voter fraud because "we don't have a provision in state law that allows either county elections officials or the Secretary of State's office to verify someone's citizenship."

"We don't have a provision in state law that allows either county elections officials or the Secretary of State's office to verify someone's citizenship. So, we're in this place where we want to make sure we're maintaining people's confidence in the elections and the integrity of the process, but also that we're giving this individual, like we would any voter, his due process. We're moving forward, and that investigation is really coming out of the investigation from the shootings."

"The penalties are very serious. That's why we want to make sure we're very measured, and this is why we want to make sure we're very calm and purposeful in how we move forward. The stakes are very high on both sides. You want to keep the confidence level high, but you also want to protect the voting rights of everyone."

"Our hands are kind of tied, but make no mistake, we want to make sure that everybody has confidence that people casting ballots are eligible. This is certainly going to be a topic at next legislation."

Of course, Ortega's lawyer tried to argue that a learning disability made it impossible for her to comprehend the complex laws that allow only U.S. citizens to vote in U.S. elections...Sure, because why wouldn't Mexican citizens be allowed to vote in the U.S.?

Her attorney said she has a learning disability and was confused about the difference between being a citizen and a legal resident, so she thought she was allowed to vote.

"The jury didn't believe that story. They believed that the defendant knew exactly what she was doing, and they responded accordingly," Prosecutor Jonathan White said.

"Once she gets out of prison and she's deported, does she bring her four minor children to Mexico? As a mother I think that would be a difficult choice for her," Birdsall said.

We're currently awaiting confirmation from Democrats and MSNBC that there is still no concrete evidence of voter fraud and that Trump's vow to conduct a "major investigation" into the topic is still just a political sham.



My best friend (in high school) came here legally with his family from Mexico. He became a citizens 10 yrs ago. He knew he (and his family) couldn't vote, at the time, because they were citizens

msharmony's photo
Sun 02/12/17 11:07 AM
that's great

not everyone knows

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 02/12/17 11:12 AM

that's great

not everyone knows


Many do though

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Sun 02/12/17 11:54 AM
true, but the law won't change..

msharmony's photo
Sun 02/12/17 01:43 PM

true, but the law won't change..


historically, US voting laws have changed a few times, they probably will continue to,, as the need/culture changes

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Sun 02/12/17 01:49 PM
Edited by IgorFrankensteen on Sun 02/12/17 01:50 PM
I don't know what the point of this thread is, since the OP is only about a single person claiming to have voted illegally in the past. But the current story going on in the news, isn't about this. It's about the as yet unsupported claims that over three million illegal votes were cast, all for Clinton.

This one, obviously did NOT vote for Clinton (since she was caught and prevented from doing so according to the story).

mightymoe's photo
Sun 02/12/17 02:30 PM

I don't know what the point of this thread is, since the OP is only about a single person claiming to have voted illegally in the past. But the current story going on in the news, isn't about this. It's about the as yet unsupported claims that over three million illegal votes were cast, all for Clinton.

This one, obviously did NOT vote for Clinton (since she was caught and prevented from doing so according to the story).


well, there's 3 cases...only 2,999,997 to go to make certain people happy to understand it's happening...

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Sun 02/12/17 02:40 PM

that's great

not everyone knows


They know they are in our country illegally.. they know they are not citizens.. but somehow they think they can vote for the President. That they have the right to?

Really?

The problem is, after awhile they think they are legal.. they think they are eligible for what citizens are entitled to. Because they have been living here for awhile.

But they are not. Because they are illegal aliens.

This women deceived when she came here and she continued when she lied on the voting form.

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Sun 02/12/17 03:45 PM


I don't know what the point of this thread is, since the OP is only about a single person claiming to have voted illegally in the past. But the current story going on in the news, isn't about this. It's about the as yet unsupported claims that over three million illegal votes were cast, all for Clinton.

This one, obviously did NOT vote for Clinton (since she was caught and prevented from doing so according to the story).


well, there's 3 cases...only 2,999,997 to go to make certain people happy to understand it's happening...


Did you include the lady who was caught voting for Trump three times in different places? That would make four, though the total of the votes are still in Trump's favor, and against the "Hillary only won the popular vote because of cheaters" fantasy.

The claims of massive voter fraud in the US have REPEATEDLY been shown to be false, including now. Especially including now.

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Sun 02/12/17 03:48 PM
Edited by howed on Sun 02/12/17 03:52 PM
what i don't understand is how the each party can get each other registered voting list and then do ro-bo calls and then send the voter to the wrong polling stations. After hours of waiting to vote they discover that their at the wrong polling station so the voter concedes not to vote. that's more of a fraud than concerning your self with illegals that probably pay taxes
trickery, sabotage, bs subversion.pitchfork

mightymoe's photo
Tue 02/14/17 12:43 PM



I don't know what the point of this thread is, since the OP is only about a single person claiming to have voted illegally in the past. But the current story going on in the news, isn't about this. It's about the as yet unsupported claims that over three million illegal votes were cast, all for Clinton.

This one, obviously did NOT vote for Clinton (since she was caught and prevented from doing so according to the story).


well, there's 3 cases...only 2,999,997 to go to make certain people happy to understand it's happening...


Did you include the lady who was caught voting for Trump three times in different places? That would make four, though the total of the votes are still in Trump's favor, and against the "Hillary only won the popular vote because of cheaters" fantasy.

The claims of massive voter fraud in the US have REPEATEDLY been shown to be false, including now. Especially including now.
doesn't matter what party is doing it, fact is it's happening on both sides and needs to stop.... So please continue with the drinking of the liberal koolade, since you cannot see past your party preferences...

yellowrose10's photo
Tue 02/14/17 12:53 PM
Edited by yellowrose10 on Tue 02/14/17 12:54 PM
This isn't isolated. Many do this

How many border state people get it? We are the 1st line of defense and suffering

mightymoe's photo
Tue 02/14/17 01:04 PM

This isn't isolated. Many do this

How many border state people get it? We are the 1st line of defense and suffering

Exactly, that's why almost all southern states are conservative, we don't spend all day watching msnbc or CNN, listening and believing all the liberal lies they spew daily... We can see it in realtime...

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Tue 02/14/17 01:20 PM




I don't know what the point of this thread is, since the OP is only about a single person claiming to have voted illegally in the past. But the current story going on in the news, isn't about this. It's about the as yet unsupported claims that over three million illegal votes were cast, all for Clinton.

This one, obviously did NOT vote for Clinton (since she was caught and prevented from doing so according to the story).


well, there's 3 cases...only 2,999,997 to go to make certain people happy to understand it's happening...


Did you include the lady who was caught voting for Trump three times in different places? That would make four, though the total of the votes are still in Trump's favor, and against the "Hillary only won the popular vote because of cheaters" fantasy.

The claims of massive voter fraud in the US have REPEATEDLY been shown to be false, including now. Especially including now.
doesn't matter what party is doing it, fact is it's happening on both sides and needs to stop.... So please continue with the drinking of the liberal koolade, since you cannot see past your party preferences...




You keep pretending I promote causes that I never have. You don't read what I actually say, and you clearly don't think about it, you just launch into accusations that have nothing to do with what I write.

As I said, there is still zero FACTUAL support for the continuing claim by people like you, that MILLIONS of people vote illegally.

when and if there is, I also will support intelligent and functional efforts to prevent it from reoccurring.

But UNTIL THERE IS PROOF, I oppose fantasizing about it, and I especially oppose passing new, obviously unnecessary, and tax-payer-money-wasting laws, just to allow certain people to pander to their delusional constituents.


Dodo_David's photo
Tue 02/14/17 06:25 PM
This thread has been edited to remove personal attacks.

Folks, please cool off before posting about a controversial subject.

David,
Site Moderator


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Wed 03/08/17 04:48 PM
"We don't have a provision in state law that allows either county elections officials or the Secretary of State's office to verify someone's citizenship."

In that case, it follows naturally that there would be widespread voter fraud.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 03/09/17 05:24 AM

"We don't have a provision in state law that allows either county elections officials or the Secretary of State's office to verify someone's citizenship."

In that case, it follows naturally that there would be widespread voter fraud.


too bad the liberals are blind to that FACT....

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