Topic: Conditioning the worker bees,,,,
yellowrose10's photo
Wed 03/15/17 02:41 PM
Edited by yellowrose10 on Wed 03/15/17 02:42 PM



Thats individual choice, of course.

I , on the other hand, am LOOKING for employment, and as always, it is based not just upon someone offering 'something', but based upon someone offering something 'competitive' to what others are also offering.


Again....who is to stay that employer didn't have other applicants equally qualified that seemed to care more about the job than pay?

Many employers would see that as...they would leave when they find a higher paying job. That wastes training etc


both sides have options,, both sides are filling a need

the employer needs qualified workers, the employee needs compensation

and with so many 'at will' states, the employee has to worry just as much about being let go at any time to fill with a better 'qualified' applicant

both sides take risks,, so both sides should expect to COMPETE


just like employers dont want to pay more than the job is worth, and the job is not worth nothing just because it is not currently filled

similarly, employees (like me anyhow) want to be paid what my efforts and time is worth, and its not worth nothing just because I am not currently being paid


The employer is the one doing the hiring though. They can hire who they feel better with.

Just like the applicant can apply elsewhere

msharmony's photo
Wed 03/15/17 02:43 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 03/15/17 02:44 PM
I know they CAN. and the employee CAN ask about compensation.

no debate there.

they can also base qualified on very subjective standards, like race, or marital status, or whether someone cares about their compensation.

Unfortunately, though all of those are BS reasons. Only two are currently illegal.

I hope applicants do apply elsewhere when an employee is too tight lipped to share compensation information so it doesnt become the norm to work for whatever is offered, just to be 'working'.

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 03/15/17 02:43 PM
What makes this woman so worthy? She doesn't know the qualifications of other applicants. If an empoyer doesn't feel she would be an asset, they won't hire her. She can apply somewhere else

msharmony's photo
Wed 03/15/17 02:45 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 03/15/17 02:46 PM

What makes this woman so worthy? She doesn't know the qualifications of other applicants. If an empoyer doesn't feel she would be an asset, they won't hire her. She can apply somewhere else



Worthy of what? knowing what the pay is? I feel all potential employees are 'worthy' of that.


correction: all potential employees who have used their time and effort to go through supplying so much of their information on an application, and then used their money and time to GET to and sit through an interview

are 'worthy' of knowing the compensation being offered

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 03/15/17 02:48 PM
Edited by yellowrose10 on Wed 03/15/17 02:48 PM


What makes this woman so worthy? She doesn't know the qualifications of other applicants. If an empoyer doesn't feel she would be an asset, they won't hire her. She can apply somewhere else



Worthy of what? knowing what the pay is? I feel all potential employees are 'worthy' of that.


Worthy of the job over others. All applicants do those things! Part of the process. Doesn't mean they are worthy

Employers can hire who they want and applicants can turn a job down and apply so elsewhere. The employer doesn't own her a job, above others, if they didn't think she would be a good fit

slaphead

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 03/15/17 02:52 PM
I wasn't aware she was the only one that had to go through that process to make her more worthy than others

msharmony's photo
Wed 03/15/17 02:53 PM
This is not about getting hired. This is about being an applicant.

She may not be 'worthy' of the job. But it certainly shouldn't be that the reason she is not 'worthy' is because she simply asks about compensation.

msharmony's photo
Wed 03/15/17 02:54 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 03/15/17 02:55 PM
The employer doesnt owe anyone a job true.

It is BS however to deny the job because they share they are curious about payment. It should be as illegal as denying the job because they share they have children.

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 03/15/17 02:55 PM

The employer doesnt owe anyone a job true.

It is BS however to deny the job because they ask about payment. It should be as illegal as denying the job because they ask about the hours.


If they feel she only cares about the money and they feel others care more about the job, it isn't bs. It's good business. If I was applying, I would understand it

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Wed 03/15/17 03:01 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 03/15/17 03:04 PM
ok.

I think its insane though to jump to the conclusion that one 'only cares' about money just because they ask about compensation.

Money matters when looking for a job, just as much as qualifications matter when filling one.

An employee should be expected to go where their qualifications are best compensated, that's why employers should expect to give COMPETITIVE wages (unless they believe that wanting to know about compensation means one 'only cares' about money)

,, and they may loose plenty of applicants to employers who have no issue sharing that information).

and in this day and age, plenty of customers when they find out this is how they treat people for merely asking about their compensation


Its as good a 'business' as any con man,, if you can get something for next to nothing or without even disclosing what you will give in return,,,

but beware the buyers dealing with such good 'business' people







yellowrose10's photo
Wed 03/15/17 03:07 PM
There really isn't any co ditioning or brainwashing laugh

I will give it 1 more try. Let's say it's between 2 applicants. 1st says I need x amount of hours off for my kids. The 2nd say I am happy to work as much overtime as needed. Who would they hire?

After this I am done trying laugh

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Thu 03/16/17 04:07 AM
so this lady claims she didn't get the job for asking one questions... then she makes a bee line right to the press... Lol...

next stop... Cheet & swindle Law firm

set- up

But fact is, employers can (and do) hire whomever they want. And they do not have to hire someone they don't... that's the way it is.

Its their money.. and ya can't be forced to spend it on someone you do not want...period

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Thu 03/16/17 08:17 AM

There really isn't any co ditioning or brainwashing laugh

I will give it 1 more try. Let's say it's between 2 applicants. 1st says I need x amount of hours off for my kids. The 2nd say I am happy to work as much overtime as needed. Who would they hire?

After this I am done trying laugh



TxsGal3333's photo
Thu 03/16/17 08:47 AM
Sorry but your missing the point here..

As far as money all Employers once into the interview and they feel you might be the candidate they are looking for, and have the knowledge that they are seeking. Then they will get into the discussion about money and what they will offer to start someone off with, as well as any benefits the company offers. Then it is time to discuss money and if it will be what that person applying for the job feels if is what they are looking for. If not then they have a choice to voice what they are seeking as far as money at that time... to feel out the Employer.. Then the Employer will have the chance to say either yes that is a goal you can reach once you have worked for them or to offer you more.

The guys we hire once we get there and tell them what we will offer them personally we have had some say well I really kind of need to get what I was prior getting to make it.. They then have the choice to either take what we can give them while they are in their first 90 days of training or not... Normally here guys after their first 90 days do get a raise.. Then once a year.... Plus our company offers full coverage insurance to employees that the company pays for in full once they have made their 90 days.. If most consider their benefits that a company pays for that in it's self is like making a extra couple dollars and hour..

You don't walk in to a interview and the first words out of your mouth is what can you do for me!!! You are the one needing a job the Employer needs to make sure you are qualified and can do the work you say you can before they talk money.. The Company interest comes first and if that person would be a asset to the company or not.

If their only concern is what you pay them they are not seeking to help expand your company just what they can get out of you... Company's grow due to those employee's that give their all and makes things happen.. Those are the ones that the Company's shows their gratitude by giving them raises ect to show them, their hard work paid off!

It is all a matter of timing when asking your questions. Show them you know what your talking about learn about the company be interested not going in like they owe you..slaphead

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 03/16/17 09:17 AM

Sorry but your missing the point here..

As far as money all Employers once into the interview and they feel you might be the candidate they are looking for, and have the knowledge that they are seeking. Then they will get into the discussion about money and what they will offer to start someone off with, as well as any benefits the company offers. Then it is time to discuss money and if it will be what that person applying for the job feels if is what they are looking for. If not then they have a choice to voice what they are seeking as far as money at that time... to feel out the Employer.. Then the Employer will have the chance to say either yes that is a goal you can reach once you have worked for them or to offer you more.

The guys we hire once we get there and tell them what we will offer them personally we have had some say well I really kind of need to get what I was prior getting to make it.. They then have the choice to either take what we can give them while they are in their first 90 days of training or not... Normally here guys after their first 90 days do get a raise.. Then once a year.... Plus our company offers full coverage insurance to employees that the company pays for in full once they have made their 90 days.. If most consider their benefits that a company pays for that in it's self is like making a extra couple dollars and hour..

You don't walk in to a interview and the first words out of your mouth is what can you do for me!!! You are the one needing a job the Employer needs to make sure you are qualified and can do the work you say you can before they talk money.. The Company interest comes first and if that person would be a asset to the company or not.

If their only concern is what you pay them they are not seeking to help expand your company just what they can get out of you... Company's grow due to those employee's that give their all and makes things happen.. Those are the ones that the Company's shows their gratitude by giving them raises ect to show them, their hard work paid off!

It is all a matter of timing when asking your questions. Show them you know what your talking about learn about the company be interested not going in like they owe you..slaphead


:thumbsup:

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 03/16/17 09:18 AM


There really isn't any co ditioning or brainwashing laugh

I will give it 1 more try. Let's say it's between 2 applicants. 1st says I need x amount of hours off for my kids. The 2nd say I am happy to work as much overtime as needed. Who would they hire?

After this I am done trying laugh





Woo hoo. An alleopps approvallaugh

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/16/17 10:53 AM

so this lady claims she didn't get the job for asking one questions... then she makes a bee line right to the press... Lol...

next stop... Cheet & swindle Law firm

set- up

But fact is, employers can (and do) hire whomever they want. And they do not have to hire someone they don't... that's the way it is.

Its their money.. and ya can't be forced to spend it on someone you do not want...period



no, it is not a claim, she has the twitter screen shots

and no , there was no beeline for the press

there was a mass twitter response to her simple twitter feed which went viral enough for media to pick up

and yes, I know the slave culture gives employers ridiculous leeway in hiring based upon whatever they want, and claiming some other legitimate reason


I never debated otherwise


i shared the opinion that an employer disregarding someone simply because they inquire about their compensation if hired,, is FULL OF THEMSELVES and frankly,, a group of buttholes

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/16/17 10:55 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 03/16/17 10:56 AM

Sorry but your missing the point here..

As far as money all Employers once into the interview and they feel you might be the candidate they are looking for, and have the knowledge that they are seeking. Then they will get into the discussion about money and what they will offer to start someone off with, as well as any benefits the company offers. Then it is time to discuss money and if it will be what that person applying for the job feels if is what they are looking for. If not then they have a choice to voice what they are seeking as far as money at that time... to feel out the Employer.. Then the Employer will have the chance to say either yes that is a goal you can reach once you have worked for them or to offer you more.

The guys we hire once we get there and tell them what we will offer them personally we have had some say well I really kind of need to get what I was prior getting to make it.. They then have the choice to either take what we can give them while they are in their first 90 days of training or not... Normally here guys after their first 90 days do get a raise.. Then once a year.... Plus our company offers full coverage insurance to employees that the company pays for in full once they have made their 90 days.. If most consider their benefits that a company pays for that in it's self is like making a extra couple dollars and hour..

You don't walk in to a interview and the first words out of your mouth is what can you do for me!!! You are the one needing a job the Employer needs to make sure you are qualified and can do the work you say you can before they talk money.. The Company interest comes first and if that person would be a asset to the company or not.

If their only concern is what you pay them they are not seeking to help expand your company just what they can get out of you... Company's grow due to those employee's that give their all and makes things happen.. Those are the ones that the Company's shows their gratitude by giving them raises ect to show them, their hard work paid off!

It is all a matter of timing when asking your questions. Show them you know what your talking about learn about the company be interested not going in like they owe you..slaphead



whether the employee is an ASSET is what the INTERVIEWER is paid to find out with their questions

them seeking payment has nothing to do with what 'asset' they would be

and


it wasnt the first thing it was asked aFTER the interview was over

and its a reasonable question since employees seek compensation and are not working for the sake of working

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 03/16/17 11:18 AM
frustrated come on! An employer will go for the person not asking straight up as opposed to someone being blunt. That is their right! It's a snowflakes world these days. She is not discriminated because no one knows the other candidates but she feels entitled. The world doesn't owe anyone

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 03/16/17 11:20 AM


Sorry but your missing the point here..

As far as money all Employers once into the interview and they feel you might be the candidate they are looking for, and have the knowledge that they are seeking. Then they will get into the discussion about money and what they will offer to start someone off with, as well as any benefits the company offers. Then it is time to discuss money and if it will be what that person applying for the job feels if is what they are looking for. If not then they have a choice to voice what they are seeking as far as money at that time... to feel out the Employer.. Then the Employer will have the chance to say either yes that is a goal you can reach once you have worked for them or to offer you more.

The guys we hire once we get there and tell them what we will offer them personally we have had some say well I really kind of need to get what I was prior getting to make it.. They then have the choice to either take what we can give them while they are in their first 90 days of training or not... Normally here guys after their first 90 days do get a raise.. Then once a year.... Plus our company offers full coverage insurance to employees that the company pays for in full once they have made their 90 days.. If most consider their benefits that a company pays for that in it's self is like making a extra couple dollars and hour..

You don't walk in to a interview and the first words out of your mouth is what can you do for me!!! You are the one needing a job the Employer needs to make sure you are qualified and can do the work you say you can before they talk money.. The Company interest comes first and if that person would be a asset to the company or not.

If their only concern is what you pay them they are not seeking to help expand your company just what they can get out of you... Company's grow due to those employee's that give their all and makes things happen.. Those are the ones that the Company's shows their gratitude by giving them raises ect to show them, their hard work paid off!

It is all a matter of timing when asking your questions. Show them you know what your talking about learn about the company be interested not going in like they owe you..slaphead



whether the employee is an ASSET is what the INTERVIEWER is paid to find out with their questions

them seeking payment has nothing to do with what 'asset' they would be

and


it wasnt the first thing it was asked aFTER the interview was over

and its a reasonable question since employees seek compensation and are not working for the sake of working


You aren't getting who else they have applying. Good God! I would bet she isn't the onlyone with a 2nd interview but she jumped to income and benefits before the 2nd interview!