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With the number of people looking for jobs, employers can do this. They probably had several potentials for 2nd interviews already. I have never asked how much. They tell me during the interview or when they make an offer. If I was hiring, I probably wouldn't hire that person either if I had several other candidates to pick from.
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wed 03/15/17 11:09 AM
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If I was hiring, Id hire the best person for the job. I would have no problem letting them know what to expect in return and would not hold it against them that they wanted to know.
I think its a shame that employees have to be belittled into just acting like working is only for working sake and being discarded because they require a certain compensation for their time and effort and to fulfill what they NEED. Job compensation should be just as much an expected part of the conversation as job qualifications. |
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Who is to say is was the best? They could have had better or equal candidates and that question may have decided she was more in it for money than the job.
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Well.. as a business owner... I can totally appreciate where the company was coming from... If I'm interviewing someone and the first question they ask is in relation to salary or money or benefits... It does say to me that they are putting their own concerns ahead of my company... after all I am going to be taking care of them... as far as the money goes that is something we discuss further down the road.. It's the same thing when somebody wants a raise... and they say they will work harder stay later... I look at them and say you should be working harder and staying later already.. if more money is going to make you a better worker then... maybe you and I should have a talk....lol... of course everyone has the right to know what to expect when they take a position or are looking for a position... but you need to show your employer that you are willing to put the company's concerns slightly ahead of yours.. Because after all the company is going to be paying your mortgage grocery gas and all your bills..yes.. it's called having a little appreciation..omg. and another thing you dont know IF they will be paying your mortgage, etc, unless you know HOW Much they are paying,,,kind of the point, and you do know that you won't be paying it either, with no job or income.  thats ok, I will be paying for the gas, the car note, the insurance, the child plans , etc... IN ORDER to work though and Im not working just to see what money looks like but to actually COVER MY BILLS just like the employer isn't hiring just to have a body in the position so compensation is as important to me as an employee as being qualified is to the employer,,, There are more important things to discuss... like are you competent..lol.. But there's roughly 60 people looking for every job..soooo...yes... more of a one way street on your side then mine....lol... but my door is always open if you wish to discuss anything your concerns.. just make an appointment with my secretary out front... and when I get back from golfing.. I'll be happy to address your concerns then...lol |
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Who is to say is was the best? They could have had better or equal candidates and that question may have decided she was more in it for money than the job. the job and the money go TOGETHER |
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Who is to say is was the best? They could have had better or equal candidates and that question may have decided she was more in it for money than the job. the job and the money go TOGETHER Unless they have someone just as qualified that cares more about the job than money |
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After being out of the work force for 3 yrs (being a care giver to my grandmother) I know how competitive it is. I would take less just to get my foot back in. I don't live off the government or anything. I just want a job. If another out bids me....that is what the employer will go with
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Employers have the right to set the qualifications for employment so long as those qualifications don't violate the law.
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Who is to say is was the best? They could have had better or equal candidates and that question may have decided she was more in it for money than the job. the job and the money go TOGETHER Unless they have someone just as qualified that cares more about the job than money whose to say what is 'qualified' and who is to say what someone cares about, just because they may recite the 'i dont care about compensation' responses,,, |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wed 03/15/17 02:24 PM
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After being out of the work force for 3 yrs (being a care giver to my grandmother) I know how competitive it is. I would take less just to get my foot back in. I don't live off the government or anything. I just want a job. If another out bids me....that is what the employer will go with thats your feeling mine is that I value myself and my time too much to accept ANY compensation. I have been out of the work force for 3 months, and I STILL Am looking for the employers who meet MY requirements just as much as they are looking for employees to meet theres,, they dont just hire anyone to fill the job, why should an employee accept any compensation to accept a job? that interviewer values their time, why cant the employee be expected to feel the same? |
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Edited by
yellowrose10
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Wed 03/15/17 02:25 PM
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Who is to say is was the best? They could have had better or equal candidates and that question may have decided she was more in it for money than the job. the job and the money go TOGETHER Unless they have someone just as qualified that cares more about the job than money whose to say what is 'qualified' and who is to say what someone cares about, just because they may recite the 'i dont care about compensation' responses,,, Ummmm the employer does  THEY are doing the hiring and paying This is the age of entitlement. Many think because they show up for a race, they are entitled to a medal |
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Yep, it's the employers option. No one has a right to that job or to set the pay..
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Who is to say is was the best? They could have had better or equal candidates and that question may have decided she was more in it for money than the job. the job and the money go TOGETHER Unless they have someone just as qualified that cares more about the job than money whose to say what is 'qualified' and who is to say what someone cares about, just because they may recite the 'i dont care about compensation' responses,,, Ummmm the employer does THEY are doing the hiring and paying This is the age of entitlement. Many think because they show up for a race, they are entitled to a medal basic information is not a MEDAL. |
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Yep, it's the employers option. No one has a right to that job or to set the pay.. but what seperates 'smoochers' from workers is the fact of there BEING COMPENSATION why should how much be some protected jewel? |
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Who is to say is was the best? They could have had better or equal candidates and that question may have decided she was more in it for money than the job. the job and the money go TOGETHER Unless they have someone just as qualified that cares more about the job than money whose to say what is 'qualified' and who is to say what someone cares about, just because they may recite the 'i dont care about compensation' responses,,, Ummmm the employer does THEY are doing the hiring and paying This is the age of entitlement. Many think because they show up for a race, they are entitled to a medal basic information is not a MEDAL. Missing the point. A medal is an anology. The employer decides. If it came between 2 equal candidates and I (as the one hiring) felt asking that wad more about money than the job, I would go for the other. The empoyer decides! |
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I understand, so did the slaveowner.
I am not debating at all that its their decision, I am voicing the opinion that deciding based upon a potential employees inquiry into pay is BS and reinforces the cliche slave wage philosophy that people should just work so that they aren't 'not working' instead of addressing the reality that just like that employer takes time to vet employees by qualifications, so too should employees have the same option to vet by compensation. they get access to your ssn, your address, your credit history in many cases, but they are too special to share what the compensation will be? ,,,,worker bees,,,,,all about the bottom line for your employers,,,and nothing else one way negotiation. |
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Edited by
yellowrose10
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Wed 03/15/17 02:34 PM
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I am getting back into the qork force. Many go with others because I am 45, not bilingual and I don't have a degree for something I have been doing (first hand) all my adult life. Is that fair? Regardless, I accept it's the emploers decision. I would be happy to take a job just to get back into it. And slavery has nothing to do with it. While I was a caregiver, I scrubbed floors and toilets to make ends meet and damn proud I was productive
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Thats individual choice, of course.
I , on the other hand, am LOOKING for employment, and as always, it is based not just upon someone offering 'something', but based upon someone offering something 'competitive' to what others are also offering. |
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Edited by
yellowrose10
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Wed 03/15/17 02:36 PM
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Thats individual choice, of course. I , on the other hand, am LOOKING for employment, and as always, it is based not just upon someone offering 'something', but based upon someone offering something 'competitive' to what others are also offering. Again....who is to stay that employer didn't have other applicants equally qualified that seemed to care more about the job than pay? Many employers would see that as...they would leave when they find a higher paying job. That wastes training etc |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wed 03/15/17 02:40 PM
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Thats individual choice, of course. I , on the other hand, am LOOKING for employment, and as always, it is based not just upon someone offering 'something', but based upon someone offering something 'competitive' to what others are also offering. Again....who is to stay that employer didn't have other applicants equally qualified that seemed to care more about the job than pay? Many employers would see that as...they would leave when they find a higher paying job. That wastes training etc both sides have options,, both sides are filling a need the employer needs qualified workers, the employee needs compensation and with so many 'at will' states, the employee has to worry just as much about being let go at any time to fill with a better 'qualified' applicant both sides take risks,, so both sides should expect to COMPETE just like employers dont want to pay more than the job is worth, and the job is not worth nothing just because it is not currently filled similarly, employees (like me anyhow) want to be paid what my efforts and time is worth, and its not worth nothing just because I am not currently being paid |
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