Topic: More Likely Shot If Black
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Mon 04/17/17 03:01 AM



This is ridiculous this is, I tired of this psychological victimhood crap, if you can't get on in the house of your bastard foster father move out, there's thousands of islands south of the country, nobody lives there.


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Sorry, Geographic's, I talking about United states, there are 7000 islands south in the Caribbean, most of those uninhabited. If I was getting abused by my foster parents (whites) I'd be looking to get away from them, consider moving out, why live there with the abuse (police brutality)? That's just psychological addiction to the abuse.


That would be a clever move. You'd be lucky to live beyond the next hurricane season.

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Mon 04/17/17 03:48 AM

Do they figure in those that run or resist? Not all cops are bad. Yes they have some bad ones (like any profession). Seems the media today lumps all cops as the same and that isn't true. You, also don't hear as much about the good they do. The media focuses on the bad. Even BLM, yes that started out as a positive movement but I have seen for myself, BLM aren't all good either. It is the same everywhere. Good and bad


99% of Law Enforcement Officer's are good, 1% are bad. Those a damn good odds.

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Mon 04/17/17 04:17 AM
Edited by Unknow on Mon 04/17/17 04:29 AM


Do they figure in those that run or resist? Not all cops are bad. Yes they have some bad ones (like any profession). Seems the media today lumps all cops as the same and that isn't true. You, also don't hear as much about the good they do. The media focuses on the bad. Even BLM, yes that started out as a positive movement but I have seen for myself, BLM aren't all good either. It is the same everywhere. Good and bad


99% of Law Enforcement Officer's are good, 1% are bad. Those a damn good odds.


Can you provide proof of that statistic or are you just merely voicing an opinion?

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Mon 04/17/17 05:23 AM

To paraphrase the great Eldridge Cleaver.

"If you're not willing to be a part of the solution, you are choosing to be a part of the problem."

This is applicable no matter what colour you are, Blacks included.

This is such a good phrase, exactly what I was trying to say in another thread about the bomb.
I said that the 'good ' muslims should come out against the bad!
Nice one funky :thumbsup:

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Mon 04/17/17 06:53 AM
Edited by Unknow on Mon 04/17/17 07:02 AM


To paraphrase the great Eldridge Cleaver.

"If you're not willing to be a part of the solution, you are choosing to be a part of the problem."

This is applicable no matter what colour you are, Blacks included.

This is such a good phrase, exactly what I was trying to say in another thread about the bomb.
I said that the 'good ' muslims should come out against the bad!
Nice one funky :thumbsup:


I've got plenty of gems such as that. I only wish I could claim credit for them all lol. Whilst we're digressing though, I think you'll find that many "good Muslims" do speak out against the atrocities committed by a minute few. It doesn't tend to make the headlines however because it doesn't boost ratings. More actually speak out against those acts than committing them. Why didn't more "good Americans" speak out against the invasion of native Americans lands? Why didn't "good Christians" overthrow the power base that instigated the illegal war in Iraq? Why don't more "good cops" do more to rid the force of the bad? When you point the figure, be mindful that 3 are pointing right back at you. The OP presented findings based on facts. As if often the case when the subject of inequitable treatment of people of colour is discussed. People attempt to refute facts with mere opinions. When that fails they become dismissive, often aggressive and insulting.

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Mon 04/17/17 10:29 AM
Hello, Dodo_David,

Thank you for inviting me as a guest appearance, well this treatment against black America isn't nothing new, I'm glad its finally getting the attention outside the Black & Brown communities. I think its wonderful you started a hot topic, keep it going, I have to go now I have new ingredients for my hot tea this week, come on by when you have a second, again America support " Dodo_David" hot topic the same way you show me love , lets welcome him as well, see you later.

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Mon 04/17/17 10:54 AM
FFS what's up with generalizations?

Not all white cops (or any race) are..
Not all Christians (or any belief) are...
Not all blacks are...

The article isn't pointing out some other facts. How about resisting arrest? How about reaching for something when the cop doesn't know if they are reaching for a gun? How about someone might be wanted?

Stop 6 here in Ft Worth is a place cops don't even want to go but they have to. Putting all cops (especially just one race) is prejudice in itself. There are good and bad everywhere and everything. I come from a military/cops family and friends. They aren't all the same. Those I know see bad cops and don't consider them as real cops.

Again we bring up the past...slavery, Native Americans, etc. We weren't even born then. But AGAIN, who really did this? Americans? No. Spain, France and England brought slaves and went after Native Americans, at least 150 yrs before we became an independent country. Where is the blame for these countries who have had invasions and slavery longer? Do I think what we did (when we became a country) right? NO! But I wasn't even born then and won't pay for ancestors or other countries. I don't like racism on any side. And I don't like generalizations because they are inaccurate.

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Mon 04/17/17 10:59 AM

The BLM movement isn't responsible for the statistics mentioned in that Tampa Bay Times report, and those statistics don't go away simply by saying, "The majority of law officers aren't like that."

The public isn't helped by being told, "Move along citizens. Nothing to see here."
That is because there is something to see here.

Sure, more research on the topic needs to be done to confirm the findings of the current research.
Still, the current research shouldn't be dismissed because one doesn't like its outcome.

That Tampa Bay Times report shines a light on something that is happening.
Saying "It can't be" doesn't do away with what is revealed by the light.


I agree to a point. Just as 1 side has a right, other sides do too.

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Mon 04/17/17 11:02 AM




This is ridiculous this is, I tired of this psychological victimhood crap, if you can't get on in the house of your bastard foster father move out, there's thousands of islands south of the country, nobody lives there.


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Sorry, Geographic's, I talking about United states, there are 7000 islands south in the Caribbean, most of those uninhabited. If I was getting abused by my foster parents (whites) I'd be looking to get away from them, consider moving out, why live there with the abuse (police brutality)? That's just psychological addiction to the abuse.


That would be a clever move. You'd be lucky to live beyond the next hurricane season.


I don't know, there are 48 established states there that seem to be doing alright already under those conditions. Couple more couldn't hurt.

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Mon 04/17/17 11:46 AM
I have loved ones that are good cops and this isn't helping them come home safely

Here is another take one it:

"For Tampa, we found that the violent crime rate is one of the highest in the nation, across communities of all sizes (both large and small). Violent offenses tracked included rape, murder and non-negligent manslaughter, armed robbery, and aggravated assault, including assault with a deadly weapon."

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/tampa/crime

These things make good cops jobs harder and more dangerous

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Mon 04/17/17 12:49 PM
The Americas were under the rules of various countries. how far do you go back?
Do we here blame the vikings or Romans, or who ever?
We are not without problems sure,a great documentary about the ww2, Britain calling our empire to help ie, Jamaica, Caribbean and others.
The Americans came to but they were segregated, white / black. However we had gotten over that. The white American guys tried to get the black English guys out of the bars, that didn't end well. They soon left them alone after getting battered lol I think we are world's ahead of the situation in the u.s. my personal thought.

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Mon 04/17/17 12:50 PM
Edited by yellowrose10 on Mon 04/17/17 12:52 PM

The Americas were under the rules of various countries. how far do you go back?
Do we here blame the vikings or Romans, or who ever?
We are not without problems sure,a great documentary about the ww2, Britain calling our empire to help ie, Jamaica, Caribbean and others.
The Americans came to but they were segregated, white / black. However we had gotten over that. The white American guys tried to get the black English guys out of the bars, that didn't end well. They soon left them alone after getting battered lol I think we are world's ahead of the situation in the u.s. my personal thought.


Don't ask me. I didn't bring it up. People want to place blame on the US without acknowledging their own country. That was all in the past (as I have said)

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Mon 04/17/17 12:56 PM
I didn't think everyone was looking for blame, I thought this was an observation on the situation. All we can do or say is how we see it from the outside!

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Mon 04/17/17 12:58 PM

I didn't think everyone was looking for blame, I thought this was an observation on the situation. All we can do or say is how we see it from the outside!



I prefer a solution over blame and playing the card.

Not all of anything. That is generalizations and that is false

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Mon 04/17/17 01:09 PM


Just another I found that some might want to read....

https://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime-2016-revised-edition/

Police Killings of Blacks

There has been considerable concern about police killings of blacks, especially after Officer Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown on Aug. 9, 2014, in Ferguson, Missouri. Officer Wilson is white and Brown was black and unarmed. Although an extensive investigation by the Department of Justice found that Officer Wilson acted appropriately in response to Brown’s physical attacks and subsequent threats, the shooting provoked riots and gave impetus to the Black Lives Matter movement, which claims that racist police officers routinely kill unarmed blacks.

This claim has been difficult to verify, since there are no national statistics on police shootings. Moreover, as noted above, broad arrest statistics and academic studies do not support the view that arrests are biased, so there is little reason to think shootings would be biased. The Black Lives Matter movement has not been driven by data but by the deaths of specific people such as Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Sandra Bland, and Freddie Gray.

Freddie Gray’s death, due to injuries after his arrest in Baltimore, also provoked riots and was taken up with great energy by Black Lives Matter. Three of the six officers charged in Gray’s death were black — and they were charged with the most serious crimes — but the incident is still cited as an example of police racism.

In the absence of government data, the Washington Post investigated every reported case of a fatal shooting by the police during 2015. It found 990 cases, with the following racial distribution of victims:

White: 50.0 percent (495 victims)

Black: 26.1 percent (258)

Hispanic: 17.4 percent (172)

Asian: 1.4 percent (14)

Other/Unknown: 5.2 percent (51)

Given their proportions in the population, a black person was 2.45 times more likely than a white person to be shot and killed by police, a Hispanic was 1.24 times more likely, and an Asian was only one third as likely. It is reasonable to expect people of different races to find themselves in potentially lethal confrontations with the police in proportion to their likelihood to commit violent crime, with blacks most likely and Asians least likely.

As noted in Table 4 above, in California — a large state that keeps consistent statistics on race and ethnicity — blacks are arrested for violent crimes at 5.35 times the white rate, and Hispanics at 1.42 times the white rate. The low likelihood of Asians being killed by police is in keeping with low Asian arrest rates for violent crime. The black and Hispanic multiples for police shooting deaths are well within the arrest multiples — the black multiple is less than half — and certainly do not suggest undisciplined police violence.

Moreover, FBI data show that from 2005 to 2014, blacks accounted for 40 percent of police killings. Since blacks were approximately 13 percent of the population, it meant they were 4.46 times more likely than people of other races to kill a police officer.

In its study, the Post found that men were 22.9 times more likely than women to be shot and killed by officers. No one suggests that law enforcement bias accounts for this huge multiple, which is undoubtedly caused by differences in behavior between men and women. In the case of racial multiples, police bias cannot be ruled out, but it is reasonable to assume that the multiples are explained by race differences in behavior.

The Washington Post noted further that all but 93 of the 990 people fatally shot by police were armed, usually with a firearm or knife. The unarmed victims had the following racial distribution:

White: 34.4 percent (32 victims)

Black: 40.8 percent (38)

Hispanic: 19.4 percent (18)

Asian: 0 percent (0)

Unknown: 5.4 percent (5)

An unarmed black was therefore 5.6 times more likely than an unarmed white to be shot by police, and a Hispanic was 2.6 times more likely. The black multiple is certainly high, though not that much higher than the California violent-arrest multiple of 5.35 noted above.

There is no obvious explanation for why unarmed blacks were shot and killed at a white multiple that was twice that for armed blacks. If police bias is the cause, there is no clear reason why it should be worse in the case of unarmed suspects. The sample size of 93 is small, so random events produce a large effect.

It may be that race differences in how suspects behave when they are arrested explain at least part of the difference. There are no national data, but a five-year study of non-felony arrests in San Francisco found that blacks were 9.6 times more likely than whites (including Hispanics) to be charged with resisting arrest, and whites were 8.6 times more likely than Asians to be so charged. In Chicago, from September 2014 to September 2015, blacks accounted for 77 percent of arrests for obstruction of justice and resisting arrest (page 4 of report), meaning they were 6.8 times more likely than non-blacks to be arrested on these charges. If these findings are typical, they help explain why the arrest of a black non-felony suspect — who would more than likely be unarmed — could escalate into potentially lethal violence.

The Post’s analysis was intended to throw light on police bias but failed to indicate the races of the officers involved in fatal shootings. This would be useful information. A 2015 Department of Justice study (page 3) of police shootings in Philadelphia found racial differences in “threat perception failure,” that is, cases in which an officer shot an unarmed suspect because the officer thought the suspect was armed. Black officers were nearly twice as likely as white officers to shoot an unarmed black (11.4 percent of all shootings by black officers vs. 6.8 percent of all shootings by white officers). The percentage of such errors by Hispanic officers — 16.7 percent — was even higher.

Black officers may be somewhat more prone to error in general. About 12 percent of police officers in the United States are black. Between 2005 and 2015, 16.6 percent of the 54 officers criminally charged for fatally shooting someone while on duty were black.

Homicide is a serious problem for black men. Since at least 2002 and up to 2013 (the latest data available), murder was the leading cause of death for black men, ages 15 to 34. Their murderers are almost always other black men. According to a Department of Justice report, (page 13), from 1980 to 2008, 93 percent of black homicide victims were killed by blacks.

By contrast, the 256 police judicial killings of blacks in 2015 would be only 4.2 percent of the 6,095 blacks who were murdered in 2014 (the most recent year for which national data are available). The 38 unarmed blacks killed by police accounted for just 0.6 percent. Police shootings of unarmed blacks is a very small problem compared to murder in the black community.

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Mon 04/17/17 01:12 PM



Just another I found that some might want to read....

https://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime-2016-revised-edition/

Police Killings of Blacks

There has been considerable concern about police killings of blacks, especially after Officer Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown on Aug. 9, 2014, in Ferguson, Missouri. Officer Wilson is white and Brown was black and unarmed. Although an extensive investigation by the Department of Justice found that Officer Wilson acted appropriately in response to Brown’s physical attacks and subsequent threats, the shooting provoked riots and gave impetus to the Black Lives Matter movement, which claims that racist police officers routinely kill unarmed blacks.

This claim has been difficult to verify, since there are no national statistics on police shootings. Moreover, as noted above, broad arrest statistics and academic studies do not support the view that arrests are biased, so there is little reason to think shootings would be biased. The Black Lives Matter movement has not been driven by data but by the deaths of specific people such as Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Sandra Bland, and Freddie Gray.

Freddie Gray’s death, due to injuries after his arrest in Baltimore, also provoked riots and was taken up with great energy by Black Lives Matter. Three of the six officers charged in Gray’s death were black — and they were charged with the most serious crimes — but the incident is still cited as an example of police racism.

In the absence of government data, the Washington Post investigated every reported case of a fatal shooting by the police during 2015. It found 990 cases, with the following racial distribution of victims:

White: 50.0 percent (495 victims)

Black: 26.1 percent (258)

Hispanic: 17.4 percent (172)

Asian: 1.4 percent (14)

Other/Unknown: 5.2 percent (51)

Given their proportions in the population, a black person was 2.45 times more likely than a white person to be shot and killed by police, a Hispanic was 1.24 times more likely, and an Asian was only one third as likely. It is reasonable to expect people of different races to find themselves in potentially lethal confrontations with the police in proportion to their likelihood to commit violent crime, with blacks most likely and Asians least likely.

As noted in Table 4 above, in California — a large state that keeps consistent statistics on race and ethnicity — blacks are arrested for violent crimes at 5.35 times the white rate, and Hispanics at 1.42 times the white rate. The low likelihood of Asians being killed by police is in keeping with low Asian arrest rates for violent crime. The black and Hispanic multiples for police shooting deaths are well within the arrest multiples — the black multiple is less than half — and certainly do not suggest undisciplined police violence.

Moreover, FBI data show that from 2005 to 2014, blacks accounted for 40 percent of police killings. Since blacks were approximately 13 percent of the population, it meant they were 4.46 times more likely than people of other races to kill a police officer.

In its study, the Post found that men were 22.9 times more likely than women to be shot and killed by officers. No one suggests that law enforcement bias accounts for this huge multiple, which is undoubtedly caused by differences in behavior between men and women. In the case of racial multiples, police bias cannot be ruled out, but it is reasonable to assume that the multiples are explained by race differences in behavior.

The Washington Post noted further that all but 93 of the 990 people fatally shot by police were armed, usually with a firearm or knife. The unarmed victims had the following racial distribution:

White: 34.4 percent (32 victims)

Black: 40.8 percent (38)

Hispanic: 19.4 percent (18)

Asian: 0 percent (0)

Unknown: 5.4 percent (5)

An unarmed black was therefore 5.6 times more likely than an unarmed white to be shot by police, and a Hispanic was 2.6 times more likely. The black multiple is certainly high, though not that much higher than the California violent-arrest multiple of 5.35 noted above.

There is no obvious explanation for why unarmed blacks were shot and killed at a white multiple that was twice that for armed blacks. If police bias is the cause, there is no clear reason why it should be worse in the case of unarmed suspects. The sample size of 93 is small, so random events produce a large effect.

It may be that race differences in how suspects behave when they are arrested explain at least part of the difference. There are no national data, but a five-year study of non-felony arrests in San Francisco found that blacks were 9.6 times more likely than whites (including Hispanics) to be charged with resisting arrest, and whites were 8.6 times more likely than Asians to be so charged. In Chicago, from September 2014 to September 2015, blacks accounted for 77 percent of arrests for obstruction of justice and resisting arrest (page 4 of report), meaning they were 6.8 times more likely than non-blacks to be arrested on these charges. If these findings are typical, they help explain why the arrest of a black non-felony suspect — who would more than likely be unarmed — could escalate into potentially lethal violence.

The Post’s analysis was intended to throw light on police bias but failed to indicate the races of the officers involved in fatal shootings. This would be useful information. A 2015 Department of Justice study (page 3) of police shootings in Philadelphia found racial differences in “threat perception failure,” that is, cases in which an officer shot an unarmed suspect because the officer thought the suspect was armed. Black officers were nearly twice as likely as white officers to shoot an unarmed black (11.4 percent of all shootings by black officers vs. 6.8 percent of all shootings by white officers). The percentage of such errors by Hispanic officers — 16.7 percent — was even higher.

Black officers may be somewhat more prone to error in general. About 12 percent of police officers in the United States are black. Between 2005 and 2015, 16.6 percent of the 54 officers criminally charged for fatally shooting someone while on duty were black.

Homicide is a serious problem for black men. Since at least 2002 and up to 2013 (the latest data available), murder was the leading cause of death for black men, ages 15 to 34. Their murderers are almost always other black men. According to a Department of Justice report, (page 13), from 1980 to 2008, 93 percent of black homicide victims were killed by blacks.

By contrast, the 256 police judicial killings of blacks in 2015 would be only 4.2 percent of the 6,095 blacks who were murdered in 2014 (the most recent year for which national data are available). The 38 unarmed blacks killed by police accounted for just 0.6 percent. Police shootings of unarmed blacks is a very small problem compared to murder in the black community.


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Mon 04/17/17 01:18 PM


Hummm just maybe the reason that more blacks were arrested is due to they commit more crimes in that area...

It is not cut and dry just cause they are black they are getting treated different..Tampa Bay Area has a no tolerance law they do not play games with those that that break the law...


I know this is from a few years back... But when some do research they tend to leave out all the findings...

http://floridapolitics.com/archives/182602-tampa-police-arrest-more-blacks-than-any-other-race-new-data-shows

“If you commit a crime (in Tampa), no matter what your color is, you’re likely going to jail,” said TPD Capt. Ronald McMullen to 10 Investigates. “Arrests are high, but the crime rate’s low. So this is an extremely safe place to live.”

But for its relatively moderate size, the TPD arrested more people in 2013 than any other Florida law enforcement agency. Even at double the size of the TPD, Pransky says the Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office made 29 percent fewer arrests.

As for African-American residents, Tampa police made 241 arrests per 1,000 individuals in 2013, versus 85 arrests for every 1,000 white residents. That is nearly 2.5 times that of the St. Petersburg Police, the next-highest agency in Tampa Bay.

McMullen, an African-American and 26-year TPD veteran, counters that the high rate is because most of the area’s crimes are committed by African-Americans, and often against other blacks.

“It’s a sad state of affairs, but 57% of our victims are black,” McMullen told Pransky. “The black-on-black crime (is) the issue in my mind that we need to … focus on.”


Due to economic constraints, Blacks are far more likely to live in areas of high crime than their White counterparts. Depending on which source you use Blacks can be responsible for as much as 97% of Black deaths and Whites responsible for about 83% of White deaths. I knew it wouldn't be long before the term "Black On Black Violence" was used during this topic. If a disease which killed 97% of those that contracted it then began to only kill 83%, would we claim we'd found a cure? No, it would still be considered a grave problem. Why when Whites are allowed to live far freer from oppression are they also killing each other at an alarming rate. Yet the phrase "White On White Violence" is very rarely uttered? Maybe because in those cases, it's just considered "the right to bear arms". People are so willing to fall back on the socially accepted rhetoric when it suits their objectives but it also reveals their bias.


Not being bias this was only stating facts what is out there.. Not even my words... But even you said~~~

Depending on which source you use Blacks can be responsible for as much as 97% of Black deaths and Whites responsible for about 83% of White deaths.

It is no doubt the crime rate is out there but stating that all Police killings are due to racism is totally false... every situation is different..

But getting back to Tampa Bay area they have even said hiring more black cops will not solve the issue... It all needs to start with the people... But their crime rates have dropped due to they are harsher then most areas as far as arresting and convicting...

Can't put all the blame on cops..

Ohh just in case many don't realize until 2009 even Mexican's are lumped in with White so it kind of blows a lot of the statics all to hell...


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Mon 04/17/17 01:40 PM



Just another I found that some might want to read....

https://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime-2016-revised-edition/

Police Killings of Blacks

There has been considerable concern about police killings of blacks, especially after Officer Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown on Aug. 9, 2014, in Ferguson, Missouri. Officer Wilson is white and Brown was black and unarmed. Although an extensive investigation by the Department of Justice found that Officer Wilson acted appropriately in response to Brown’s physical attacks and subsequent threats, the shooting provoked riots and gave impetus to the Black Lives Matter movement, which claims that racist police officers routinely kill unarmed blacks.

This claim has been difficult to verify, since there are no national statistics on police shootings. Moreover, as noted above, broad arrest statistics and academic studies do not support the view that arrests are biased, so there is little reason to think shootings would be biased. The Black Lives Matter movement has not been driven by data but by the deaths of specific people such as Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Sandra Bland, and Freddie Gray.

Freddie Gray’s death, due to injuries after his arrest in Baltimore, also provoked riots and was taken up with great energy by Black Lives Matter. Three of the six officers charged in Gray’s death were black — and they were charged with the most serious crimes — but the incident is still cited as an example of police racism.

In the absence of government data, the Washington Post investigated every reported case of a fatal shooting by the police during 2015. It found 990 cases, with the following racial distribution of victims:

White: 50.0 percent (495 victims)

Black: 26.1 percent (258)

Hispanic: 17.4 percent (172)

Asian: 1.4 percent (14)

Other/Unknown: 5.2 percent (51)

Given their proportions in the population, a black person was 2.45 times more likely than a white person to be shot and killed by police, a Hispanic was 1.24 times more likely, and an Asian was only one third as likely. It is reasonable to expect people of different races to find themselves in potentially lethal confrontations with the police in proportion to their likelihood to commit violent crime, with blacks most likely and Asians least likely.

As noted in Table 4 above, in California — a large state that keeps consistent statistics on race and ethnicity — blacks are arrested for violent crimes at 5.35 times the white rate, and Hispanics at 1.42 times the white rate. The low likelihood of Asians being killed by police is in keeping with low Asian arrest rates for violent crime. The black and Hispanic multiples for police shooting deaths are well within the arrest multiples — the black multiple is less than half — and certainly do not suggest undisciplined police violence.

Moreover, FBI data show that from 2005 to 2014, blacks accounted for 40 percent of police killings. Since blacks were approximately 13 percent of the population, it meant they were 4.46 times more likely than people of other races to kill a police officer.

In its study, the Post found that men were 22.9 times more likely than women to be shot and killed by officers. No one suggests that law enforcement bias accounts for this huge multiple, which is undoubtedly caused by differences in behavior between men and women. In the case of racial multiples, police bias cannot be ruled out, but it is reasonable to assume that the multiples are explained by race differences in behavior.

The Washington Post noted further that all but 93 of the 990 people fatally shot by police were armed, usually with a firearm or knife. The unarmed victims had the following racial distribution:

White: 34.4 percent (32 victims)

Black: 40.8 percent (38)

Hispanic: 19.4 percent (18)

Asian: 0 percent (0)

Unknown: 5.4 percent (5)

An unarmed black was therefore 5.6 times more likely than an unarmed white to be shot by police, and a Hispanic was 2.6 times more likely. The black multiple is certainly high, though not that much higher than the California violent-arrest multiple of 5.35 noted above.

There is no obvious explanation for why unarmed blacks were shot and killed at a white multiple that was twice that for armed blacks. If police bias is the cause, there is no clear reason why it should be worse in the case of unarmed suspects. The sample size of 93 is small, so random events produce a large effect.

It may be that race differences in how suspects behave when they are arrested explain at least part of the difference. There are no national data, but a five-year study of non-felony arrests in San Francisco found that blacks were 9.6 times more likely than whites (including Hispanics) to be charged with resisting arrest, and whites were 8.6 times more likely than Asians to be so charged. In Chicago, from September 2014 to September 2015, blacks accounted for 77 percent of arrests for obstruction of justice and resisting arrest (page 4 of report), meaning they were 6.8 times more likely than non-blacks to be arrested on these charges. If these findings are typical, they help explain why the arrest of a black non-felony suspect — who would more than likely be unarmed — could escalate into potentially lethal violence.

The Post’s analysis was intended to throw light on police bias but failed to indicate the races of the officers involved in fatal shootings. This would be useful information. A 2015 Department of Justice study (page 3) of police shootings in Philadelphia found racial differences in “threat perception failure,” that is, cases in which an officer shot an unarmed suspect because the officer thought the suspect was armed. Black officers were nearly twice as likely as white officers to shoot an unarmed black (11.4 percent of all shootings by black officers vs. 6.8 percent of all shootings by white officers). The percentage of such errors by Hispanic officers — 16.7 percent — was even higher.

Black officers may be somewhat more prone to error in general. About 12 percent of police officers in the United States are black. Between 2005 and 2015, 16.6 percent of the 54 officers criminally charged for fatally shooting someone while on duty were black.

Homicide is a serious problem for black men. Since at least 2002 and up to 2013 (the latest data available), murder was the leading cause of death for black men, ages 15 to 34. Their murderers are almost always other black men. According to a Department of Justice report, (page 13), from 1980 to 2008, 93 percent of black homicide victims were killed by blacks.

By contrast, the 256 police judicial killings of blacks in 2015 would be only 4.2 percent of the 6,095 blacks who were murdered in 2014 (the most recent year for which national data are available). The 38 unarmed blacks killed by police accounted for just 0.6 percent. Police shootings of unarmed blacks is a very small problem compared to murder in the black community.



That same quoted blog post also says, "Blacks are the main cause of urban crime."

How does such a statement help the vast majority of black citizens who don't commit crimes?
Such a statement fuels prejudice.

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Mon 04/17/17 01:40 PM


I didn't think everyone was looking for blame, I thought this was an observation on the situation. All we can do or say is how we see it from the outside!



I prefer a solution over blame and playing the card.

Not all of anything. That is generalizations and that is false


So what are you doing to help work towards a solution, I'd like to know?

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Mon 04/17/17 01:42 PM
Edited by yellowrose10 on Mon 04/17/17 01:42 PM



I didn't think everyone was looking for blame, I thought this was an observation on the situation. All we can do or say is how we see it from the outside!



I prefer a solution over blame and playing the card.

Not all of anything. That is generalizations and that is false


So what are you doing to help work towards a solution, I'd like to know?


I don't bait. I treat all as equals. I stand up for rights for all. I don't want a race war. Same question. What are you doing?