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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 06/17/17 11:32 AM
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I notice a trend that makes politics and religion such difficult topics to discuss, namely, the tendency for people to try to silence opposing views. They may do this through intimidation, personal insults, or directly proclaiming certain persons or groups should have no voice in a topic,,but it seems to be where these discussions fly off the handle.
I do not believe there is any topic that should be off limits to anyone, but I prefer that people attempt to 'discuss' things with a mutual respect. I believe you have every much a right to speak from your perspective as I do from mine. I will debate your opinion or viewpoint as you present it but not try to shut you up at any point because I feel my perspective is only more limited when there are only 'certain' opinions or people I am willing to aknowledge. I say all that to suggest that maybe political and religious discussions would flow more smoothly if we can be willing to accept people can disagree without feeling a need to personally humiliate or shut them up because of it. This is not limited to religion or politics but it is where I most often see the trends of intimidation and personal attack. ,,,rant over |
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It totally bends me out of shape when they openly BS, and believe their own BS, sometimes they'll use some twisted unrelated analogy of different events to justify their opinions, I won't mention names, I'll just stare at them
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Depending on a privately owned site, they have the right
I have seen back and forth of the same crap since 07. I am not hypocritical to think one side or the other know more or is better |
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Matters are made worse when one tries to fight fire with fire.
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I have learned some fire holds more power than other,, so you are correct.
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"A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger."
- Proverbs 15:1 (NIV) |
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I have very different views on many subjects.
I like to see the other side to but maybe come across as trying to fight them. hypocrisy is my biggest bug bare. Religion is probably the biggest for most people, hey, most wars are caused by it . me being from the UK and I'd say most but not all in the forums are from the usa area so I find I have different outlooks on,most subjects. |
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I totally agree although I fall into that mistake every now and then, one should always be objective while discussing and debating, but in many cases, personal experiences or memories (especially bad ones) pop up in one's mind and trigger that desire to drive the conversation away and make it personal or aggressive... it's not an excuse but that's how things usually go.
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I notice a trend that makes politics and religion such difficult topics to discuss, namely, the tendency for people to try to silence opposing views. They may do this through intimidation, personal insults, or directly proclaiming certain persons or groups should have no voice in a topic,,but it seems to be where these discussions fly off the handle. I do not believe there is any topic that should be off limits to anyone, but I prefer that people attempt to 'discuss' things with a mutual respect. I believe you have every much a right to speak from your perspective as I do from mine. I will debate your opinion or viewpoint as you present it but not try to shut you up at any point because I feel my perspective is only more limited when there are only 'certain' opinions or people I am willing to aknowledge. I say all that to suggest that maybe political and religious discussions would flow more smoothly if we can be willing to accept people can disagree without feeling a need to personally humiliate or shut them up because of it. This is not limited to religion or politics but it is where I most often see the trends of intimidation and personal attack. ,,,rant over Very well put.. I hope I have never offended you..we don't share a lot of the same views..but I value your opinion.. I try to keep an open mind to most things and it requires input from all sides...I may not agree..but I listen and hope to be respectful to everyone..wish I knew how to post some things..we have a protest brewing in my home town over a painting on the wall in a privately owned bar...would love your opinion on it..have a most beautiful day.! |
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The only thing that all people have in common is that we are all different.
We may share some similarities but the reasons and circumstances are unique. |
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I totally agree although I fall into that mistake every now and then, one should always be objective while discussing and debating, but in many cases, personal experiences or memories (especially bad ones) pop up in one's mind and trigger that desire to drive the conversation away and make it personal or aggressive... it's not an excuse but that's how things usually go. I totally agree |
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The only thing that all people have in common is that we are all different. We may share some similarities but the reasons and circumstances are unique.  |
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I notice a trend that makes politics and religion such difficult topics to discuss, namely, the tendency for people to try to silence opposing views. They may do this through intimidation, personal insults, or directly proclaiming certain persons or groups should have no voice in a topic,,but it seems to be where these discussions fly off the handle. I do not believe there is any topic that should be off limits to anyone, but I prefer that people attempt to 'discuss' things with a mutual respect. I believe you have every much a right to speak from your perspective as I do from mine. I will debate your opinion or viewpoint as you present it but not try to shut you up at any point because I feel my perspective is only more limited when there are only 'certain' opinions or people I am willing to aknowledge. I say all that to suggest that maybe political and religious discussions would flow more smoothly if we can be willing to accept people can disagree without feeling a need to personally humiliate or shut them up because of it. This is not limited to religion or politics but it is where I most often see the trends of intimidation and personal attack. ,,,rant over Very well put.. I hope I have never offended you..we don't share a lot of the same views..but I value your opinion.. I try to keep an open mind to most things and it requires input from all sides...I may not agree..but I listen and hope to be respectful to everyone..wish I knew how to post some things..we have a protest brewing in my home town over a painting on the wall in a privately owned bar...would love your opinion on it..have a most beautiful day.! the feeling is mutual,, 
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The only thing that all people have in common is that we are all different. We may share some similarities but the reasons and circumstances are unique. |
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Also you can just ignore a post or comment
Which is how a government or someone in power would do while they make sure there points known |
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That is always an option as well mikey.
For me, however, I weigh that option against the reality that many read these posts who do not participate and sometimes there is plenty of misinformation or one sided context which imho calls for me to point out and/or provide some other point of view. |
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That is always an option as well mikey. For me, however, I weigh that option against the reality that many read these posts who do not participate and sometimes there is plenty of misinformation or one sided context which imho calls for me to point out and/or provide some other point of view. They are informative, I do think sometimes it would be better to give an opinion or knowledge rather than a long quote from the Internet. Just gives it that personal touch |
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MMm, yes. One way especially that discussing political things, seems to be VERY like dealing with religious issues, is that some people insist that we ARE impeding their right or ability to express their views, if we don't allow them to fling vile insults at whoever they disagree with. Very similar to how some religious people demand that we are limiting their religious freedom, if we don't allow them to interfere with other peoples' lives at will (as they think their religions direct them to do).
I actually DO think that some kinds of debate SHOULD be inhibited. Not because of the subject matter, that should be wide open. But I support blocking people who refuse to deal with each other in a civil manner from access to debates. We do some of that here already, and I support it even when it's me being told to tone things down. Frankly, I'd like to see a little more. |
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I can relate Igor
except that one persons idea of 'civil' might be quite different than another just like being 'on topic' is often such a broad and grey area,,,, |
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I think at the root of it all , is a world wide culture of EXTREMISM , with a compulsion to classify one view as sanctimoniously RIGHT and a contrasting view as sinisterly WRONG.
The messy reality that many will not accept, is that truth is seldom linear or monolithic. Two opposing views CAN actually hold equal weight and credibility, and in many cases , DO. Two contrasting opinions can be right. Two contrasting opinions can be wrong. Or in some cases, two contrasting opinions can just be DIFFERENT. |
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