Topic: Sponsors edging away from NFL
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Wed 09/27/17 09:42 AM
just a song?????

you have got to be kidding me.


i suppose you you think the flag is just a bit of ignorable cloth too

mightymoe's photo
Wed 09/27/17 09:44 AM


There was a bit of controversy a while ago when some of the football players here didn't sing the national anthem, doesn't look good I think, but there again most are over paid aliens as you put it!


its just a song... unless they flipped the bird, I think the controversy is oversold ....
why are they kneeling?

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Wed 09/27/17 09:46 AM
Edited by yellowrose10 on Wed 09/27/17 09:47 AM

just a song?????

you have got to be kidding me.


i suppose you you think the flag is just a bit of ignorable cloth too


Yep! That "bit of cloth" was on my dad's casket and given to my mother as she cried

If the song or flag is nothing...why not just show respect for others

mightymoe's photo
Wed 09/27/17 09:46 AM

just a song?????

you have got to be kidding me.


i suppose you you think the flag is just a bit of ignorable cloth too
of course she does, she's said it many times... most on the dem side don't understand about patriotism....

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 09/27/17 09:51 AM
Even if they don't care or want to respect...doesn't mean others believe the same. To others it is disrespect. I have seen people on fb say they have the right to protest under the 1st amendment....guess what....others have the right to speak up too.

If someone thinks the flag is nothing but cloth....their right. It ia my right to say my dad had it draped on his casket and given to my mom and it is disrespectful.

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Wed 09/27/17 09:52 AM
Edited by Unknow on Wed 09/27/17 10:00 AM
Oh, yellowrose, my tribute to him flowerforyou
It's a free world for these people as long as you agree with how they think. Do as I say, not as I do!
Note to mingles2 don't put the tongue so close to the dam flowers!

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Wed 09/27/17 09:53 AM
at least 2 of those flags in our family rose

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Wed 09/27/17 09:56 AM


Hummm well this is from the NFL Rules ~~~~

http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2017-nfl-rulebook/

NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules.

ARTICLE 8. PERSONAL MESSAGES. Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and
television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or
on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or
illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or
memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on
players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League
office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player
to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to
game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or
charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial;
must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be
worn by players on other teams in the League.


It pretty much states that all Political related messages are prohibited~~~~ Regardless how they choose to display it... So even if there is nothing stating they must stand within their rules for the Anthem there are rules against, making it your time to display your Political Beliefs~~~

But as I said earlier it is the Sponsor's choice to give or not give... And if they are taking a stance due to either criminal activity or be it due to they are disrespecting the Flag within their eyes it is their choice to do so..


it actually says no writings or illustrations or commemorative items...

nothing about kneeling.


"prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or
illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office."

"The League will not grant permission for any club or player
to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to
game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or
charitable causes or campaigns."

Read again personal messages pretty much covers it as well as this part "which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or
charitable causes or campaigns"

It is a Political Statement is it not????

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Wed 09/27/17 10:01 AM

Oh, yellowrose, my tribute to him :tongue:
It's a free world for these people as long as you agree with how they think. Do as I say, not as I do!


Thank you. I come from a long line of military and law enforcement. These idiots seem to brand all law enforcement as the same. They are too stupid to see there is good and bad everywhere. It puts good cops in more danger.

The Dallas Cowboys wanted to honor the fallen cops but was denied by the NFL

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Wed 09/27/17 10:05 AM

just a song?????

you have got to be kidding me.


i suppose you you think the flag is just a bit of ignorable cloth too


in fact, I do, it can mean more (symbolism) to others, but the fact remains that it is what it is.

My basic rule of thumb is if you can BUY it, its 'just' an item. All items may garner more or less significance based on who they are from or what events someone associates with them. But they are still replacable, tangible THINGs.

msharmony's photo
Wed 09/27/17 10:05 AM



There was a bit of controversy a while ago when some of the football players here didn't sing the national anthem, doesn't look good I think, but there again most are over paid aliens as you put it!


its just a song... unless they flipped the bird, I think the controversy is oversold ....
why are they kneeling?


it really doesnt matter. The action is the action, regardless of whats in the actors head. Kneeling isn't against any rule.

Tom E. Curran of Comcast Sportsnet New England reported in a story published on 29 August 2016 that teams standing together on the field during the playing of the national anthem was a relatively recent development in NFL history: “NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy confirmed this the practice began in 2009, adding, ‘As you know, the NFL has a long tradition of patriotism. Players are encouraged but not required to stand for the anthem.'”

msharmony's photo
Wed 09/27/17 10:06 AM


just a song?????

you have got to be kidding me.


i suppose you you think the flag is just a bit of ignorable cloth too


Yep! That "bit of cloth" was on my dad's casket and given to my mother as she cried

If the song or flag is nothing...why not just show respect for others


when is quietly kneeling disrespectful?

msharmony's photo
Wed 09/27/17 10:07 AM



Hummm well this is from the NFL Rules ~~~~

http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2017-nfl-rulebook/

NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules.

ARTICLE 8. PERSONAL MESSAGES. Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and
television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or
on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or
illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or
memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on
players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League
office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player
to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to
game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or
charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial;
must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be
worn by players on other teams in the League.


It pretty much states that all Political related messages are prohibited~~~~ Regardless how they choose to display it... So even if there is nothing stating they must stand within their rules for the Anthem there are rules against, making it your time to display your Political Beliefs~~~

But as I said earlier it is the Sponsor's choice to give or not give... And if they are taking a stance due to either criminal activity or be it due to they are disrespecting the Flag within their eyes it is their choice to do so..


it actually says no writings or illustrations or commemorative items...

nothing about kneeling.


"prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or
illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office."

"The League will not grant permission for any club or player
to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to
game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or
charitable causes or campaigns."

Read again personal messages pretty much covers it as well as this part "which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or
charitable causes or campaigns"

It is a Political Statement is it not????


no, a personal message is between individuals. like writing 'I love you sandy' on your hand. THe league itself has stated that standing is not mandatory ,,,ie, kneeling is not against the rules.

Tom E. Curran of Comcast Sportsnet New England reported in a story published on 29 August 2016 that teams standing together on the field during the playing of the national anthem was a relatively recent development in NFL history: “NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy confirmed this the practice began in 2009, adding, ‘As you know, the NFL has a long tradition of patriotism. Players are encouraged but not required to stand for the anthem.'”

msharmony's photo
Wed 09/27/17 10:09 AM



There was a bit of controversy a while ago when some of the football players here didn't sing the national anthem, doesn't look good I think, but there again most are over paid aliens as you put it!


its just a song... unless they flipped the bird, I think the controversy is oversold ....
why are they kneeling?


because they don't wish to (And arent required to) participate.

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 09/27/17 10:10 AM
All started with Kaepernick during Obama laugh

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 09/27/17 10:33 AM
Doing a touchdown dance, thanking God, mom, the man in the moon is different (TO ME) than someone taking a knee in protest of the flag or anthem. If they are in uniform and on the field....you are on the job.

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Wed 09/27/17 10:37 AM
Edited by TxsGal3333 on Wed 09/27/17 10:38 AM




There was a bit of controversy a while ago when some of the football players here didn't sing the national anthem, doesn't look good I think, but there again most are over paid aliens as you put it!


its just a song... unless they flipped the bird, I think the controversy is oversold ....
why are they kneeling?


because they don't wish to (And arent required to) participate.


Humm that is not the reason they are kneeling it is due to a Political Statement if that was the only reason they took to their knee then they could have just sat on the bench or stayed in the Locker room..

According to what you just said they have no reason for kneeling other then they want tooslaphead

msharmony's photo
Wed 09/27/17 11:03 AM





There was a bit of controversy a while ago when some of the football players here didn't sing the national anthem, doesn't look good I think, but there again most are over paid aliens as you put it!


its just a song... unless they flipped the bird, I think the controversy is oversold ....
why are they kneeling?


because they don't wish to (And arent required to) participate.


Humm that is not the reason they are kneeling it is due to a Political Statement if that was the only reason they took to their knee then they could have just sat on the bench or stayed in the Locker room..

According to what you just said they have no reason for kneeling other then they want tooslaphead


no. they are not permitted to be on the bench as of 2009. They must be with their teammates on the sideline during the procedure. They are just not required to STAND or participate.

an action isnt disruptive because of the actors intention. Noone knows whats in their head DURING the action to make that determination.

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Wed 09/27/17 11:04 AM
:smirk::smiley:

msharmony's photo
Wed 09/27/17 11:05 AM


just a song?????

you have got to be kidding me.


i suppose you you think the flag is just a bit of ignorable cloth too
of course she does, she's said it many times... most on the dem side don't understand about patriotism....


most of the repub side understand empty patriotism and displays, rather than the patriotism of loving your actual countrymen.....