I agree. I see it as common sense, not a " rights" thing.

I do see it as a infringement on anyone's rights. ( to restrict assault rifles. The law was forged at a time when the citizens were using muzzle loaders Which ( I may be wrong on the reload time) took a few minute to load the ball in then the powder, then pack it down, ect.

I do not think our fore fathers would agree with the current law to include the assault rifles.. I really don't think they would. And they certainly could not envision where weaponry would be 200 years later.

keep your hand guns.. keep your sport hunting rifles... get rid of the weapons of mass destruction.

One of the terrorist groups has claimed responsibility for this.
Don't know what thats about.

Its not against the law in Nevada. Conversion kits are sold legally there.

And I was just watching channel 7 news. They purchased a conversion kit for a assault rifle ( semi auto to full auto) yesterday and had it today. The delivery address was NYC.

They purchased it from Wal- Mart.com

But I agree with the hidden agendas and lobbying that is still very evident in Washington.

And I agree that good ole American greed (which is evident in the case of Wal - Mart) is alive and well.... they ship a conversion kit to NYC... Ya got to be kidding me.

Wow Didn't know they were legal there. What really confusing to me is the fact that this guy had no religion or political affiliation. Everything has to have a motive. Doesn't make sense. He was evil deep down or became evil overtime. maybe he had a brain tumor

at a time when the citizens were using muzzle loaders... I do not think our fore fathers would agree with the current law to include the assault rifles

I see it as common sense

Wow Didn't know they were legal there. What really confusing to me is the fact that this guy had no religion or political affiliation. Everything has to have a motive. Doesn't make sense. He was evil deep down or became evil overtime. maybe he had a brain tumor

he had no political or religious affiliation is just the 'first reports', give it a couple weeks for more details to emerge

This man had hundreds of complaints about 'suspicious' behavior and had stockpiled weapons, not likely that he was a quiet and friendly neighbor or citizen ... he had no reason to feel he had to be with that type of fire power

he was not some squeaky clean citizen X who must have just snapped,,

this was something they don't want to share too carelessly is all

I would disagree.
The 2nd amendment is in place not to protect anyone's right to hunt, or have fun, or have something cool, or for personal property protection against their neighbors, or to protect against assault or robbery.

It's there as a means for the populace of individuals to protect themselves from government when that populace deems it necessary.

Throughout human history all governments have gone down the path of fascism, tyranny, oligarchy, warped socialism/communism, something bad.

Basically a few at the top start controlling everything, and in their desire to keep, expand, enjoy, justify, and/or maintain power and control over everything it increasingly infringes upon (via force or its ultimate threat) the rights of the "powerless" (the ones that don't control or have access to a military, or police, or knights, or security detail, whatever...interesting tidbit on my personal family geneaology, my ancestors were physically press ganged into British military service, rounded up at gunpoint and forced onto ships to go fight against the dirty terrorist colonists. Once in the colonies, they ran away to settle the south and midwest then turned around and fought against the British. No military training whatsoever. they did use guns, though).

That's the purpose of the 2nd amendment.

I would wholeheartedly agree with you that no one "needs" an "assault" rifle, or fully automatic rifle, if all armies on earth, all police forces on earth, used muskets.

As long as the people in "government" have access to and uses these weapons, so should all other people/citizens.
Otherwise, you are simply creating the same old problem. Stratification of power leading to creating a power class and less class mobility.

There is never going to be a moment where government is going to be all "oh, hey, we're going to start just saying no to your rights tomorrow. We'll start with passing a revised patriot act that forces cameras into your home to watch for terrorists, collects all your emails and goes through them (for terrorists!), start jailing you for watching subversive material on the internet (you might become a terrorist!), start a new draft and force people into service (against terrorists!), make it unlawful for people to gather in groups greater than 2 without a government chaperone (no terrorist cells!), and the tax rate is going up to 75% on everyone to pay for it and all those terrorist kid orphanages, it's for the kids! (and if you don't pay you're a terrorist!).
We're just going to use 'national security' reasons and 'reconciliation' or 'executive order' means to circumvent the constitution and stuff.
But yeah, we're totally becoming one of 'those' governments and thought we should tell you. We know it, we like it, we're going to do it.
So, you know how we restricted all your weapons? Yeah, okay, you're going to need those now, because we're thinking about sending in our new and never seen before militarized police swat teams to rendition you to some cell.
We're going to remove the restrictions and you can now buy the weapons you need to fight against us, m'kay?"

Based on human history, it's not a matter of "if" government becomes corrupt to the point of oppressing, abridging, or occluding peoples freedoms/rights, but "when." And it's not really "when," so much as "there's always some degree and it grows at different rates, but how much is the populace willing to put up with before forcibly protecting their own rights."

"Assault" rifles may not be needed, now, but people aren't going to really get an absolute heads up for "when" they're needed, and then magically be granted access to the necessary weapons.


Unless you are of the opinion that man and government have magically evolved past the need for violence, at least between government and its citizens? Because people have a voice the government listens and responds to?
Like when all those people demonstrated against the Iraq war and the government listened?
Or all those people demonstrated and voiced against Obamacare and the government listened?



Based on the "common sense" you are using then no one "needs" a pantry, no one "needs" a refrigerator, no one "needs" the technology necessary for canning or preserving foods.

I mean there's a gas station, convenience, grocery store, and/or restaurant every few blocks in any city selling fresh food.
Who needs a kitchen.

Those people in Texas and Florida and Lousiana, well, they shouldn't have been allowed to keep any food in the house. That's the same as hoarding and keeping it away from those starving children all over the world. People in the U.S. throw away a large percentage of their hoarded stored in the refrigerator food every year.
Millions die from hunger and starvation.

Get rid of those weapons of mass destruction called refrigerators keeping food from dying children!
There should be laws forcing people to buy only the food they need to eat, when they need to eat it, based on short term or immediate historical use.

They should be completely unprepared for a giant storm (or e.coli outbreak/recall) to come in and trap them without access to a grocery store all of a sudden.
We've grown as a people, past the need to fear the weather, we are civilized, we water and mow our lawns and the forest service clears brush!
And no one "needs" hurricanes! Our forefathers didn't have access to 1000 year storms! The government should outlaw all storm systems above a certain level. If they'd do that, then there'd be no alternative method for that storm system to come in and do what it does!

Well, this is the first I am hearing of the 100's of complaints. Nothing in the non stop news coverage states anything like that.. at all. Actually just the opposite.

Who wee these complainers?

Can you shed some light on this claim?

So it's a God given right to own firearms in America

to be treated, free of charge for a random gunshot wound is not?

I'm not going to comment further on the subject

Amend the Amendment!

what if there's no god?

actually, it's our "inalienable" right... whatever that means....but it's our right...

its already gone.. as I said, its good to wait a few weeks for 'verified' information ...

? what do you mean " its already gone", you can't surf the T.V. without still seeing it.

you claimed there were 100's of complains against this guy. which if you are correct would already been verified thru the Police because those are the entities who take and investigate the complains.. right?
Every top ranking law enforcement officer in NV has already commented or given interviews to the press. from state to local. Yet, none of these people mentioned complaints lodged against this guy.. and they were grilled about it from the press.

Neighbors to were interviewed.. as was his family...friends.. nothing.

Now certainly all these people are not lying.. right?. I mean after all don't you think the first thing the T.V. stations did was dig thru his brush ins with the law?... nothing there.

You made the claim. And I asked for back up to that claim. 10O's of complains, right?

But you don't have any.. do you.

the more people get shot up, the more your hospitals turn a profit? Go fund me pages to finance the American medical machine? almost as ridiculous as private jails, your guns are a problem.

my guns are not my problem...maybe your problem, not mine

Ok so, you're a law abiding citizen, pay your taxes and contribute to your community, you love the gun range, own a gun license and carry it proudly, in fact, you own several weapons but you carry your favorite one around.

One day, you're watching a concert and suddenly you're bleeding from your gut, you been shot and head to hospital for lifesaving surgery

you could be permanently maimed, financially ruined and you'd still be holding onto the pipedream, guns keep you safe, got it

I've been in 3 VERY close calls in the US and it's not like I go often, under 20 times, one recently I was landing at Ft Lauderdale from a delayed flight and people were literally running onto the terminal runways trying to get away from the gunman as we landed. I would have been in that exact terminal if not for the delay.

What do you not understand of the social cost of massacres like this and the direct association to weapons? Ya'll aren't safe at all!