Topic: Choice
msharmony's photo
Wed 11/22/17 05:15 PM
Would you say a choice is any decision in which there is more than one option presented?

Would you say that just because something may not have come from a conscious choice where obvious options are presented ,,, it may still come from a subconscious 'choice' from past experiences conditioning/immersing ones experience more so in one option then in others? Like Pavlovs dogs salivating(not something chosen, but physiological) to a bell. The bell was not something they would naturally have any reaction to, but that they were IMMERSED in the conditioning to replace the experience of smell and sight with that of sound?


Datwasntme's photo
Wed 11/22/17 09:43 PM
and if i comment that is a choice : )

thats a deep thought

me i would say a choice could be hampered from past things done or things done to you as well as things you have learned weather it be of your own or someone else
but again it would still be a choice of doing it again or not
<shrug>

no photo
Wed 11/22/17 09:49 PM
freewill




There are those who think that life
has nothing left to chance
A host of holy horrors
to direct our aimless dance
A planet of playthings
we dance on the strings
of powers we cannot perceive
"the stars aren't aligned ---
or the gods are malign"
blame is better to give than receive
You can choose a ready guide
in some celestial voice
if you choose not to decide
you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
and kindness that can kill
i will choose a path that's clear
i will choose free will
There are those who think that they've been dealt a losing hand
the cards were stacked against them ---
they weren't born in lotus-land
All preordained
a prisoner in chains
a victim of venomous fate
kicked in the face
you can't pray for a place
in heaven's unearthly estate

You can choose a ready guide
in some celestial voice
if you choose not to decide
you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
and kindness that can kill
i will choose a path that's clear
i will choose free will

Each of us
a cell of awareness
imperfect and incomplete!
genetic blends
with uncertain ends
on a fortune hunt
that's far too fleet...

You can choose a ready guide
in some celestial voice
if you choose not to decide
you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
and kindness that can kill
i will choose a path that's clear
i will choose free will

Duttoneer's photo
Thu 11/23/17 12:28 AM

One of the reasons companies spend millions on advertising is to influence our choice when making a purchase, and the frequency of their TV ad campaigns is almost a conditioning, it must work or they would not spend those huge amounts of money.

no photo
Thu 11/23/17 12:47 AM
Edited by d__u__b on Thu 11/23/17 12:47 AM
while many many are easily influenced by advertising (as evidenced by this scandal of a 'human being' that currently resides in the white house)thankfully, i am not among them. faulty or false advertising not only doesn't encourage me towards whatever is being advertised thusly, but pushes me away and causes me to share my observations with others in effort to reduce their being influenced.

it's pretty sad, if you ask me. we used to be wiser.

Pepinofruit's photo
Thu 11/23/17 02:16 AM
Edited by Pepinofruit on Thu 11/23/17 02:17 AM
I am not a risk taker or a gambler in/with life, but...!!
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH.




no photo
Thu 11/23/17 05:55 PM
Would you say a choice is any decision in which there is more than one option presented?

If I were speaking to friends and casual non specific speech was acceptable, sure.

Would you say that just because something may not have come from a conscious choice where obvious options are presented ,,, it may still come from a subconscious 'choice' from past experiences

Maybe.
Depends on a lot of things.

Like Pavlovs dogs salivating(not something chosen, but physiological) to a bell. The bell was not something they would naturally have any reaction to

Where is the dogs choice at any point?
Did the dog choose to be born? Choose to go into Pavlovian research at doggy school? Choose to feel hunger? Choose the information his ears picked up?
Does the dog have the mental capacity or self awareness to determine its own conditioning and then choose to reverse it?
What is the habituated choice being made by the dog? Where is the conditioned choice made by the dog?
Do dogs have choice at any point in their lives, or are they just following "programming."

they were IMMERSED in the conditioning to replace the experience of smell and sight with that of sound?

Sounds didn't really "replace" sight and sound.
"Replacing" implies that after conditioning if you showed the dog food, or just produced a food smell, the dog would no longer respond, that it's natural triggers were "replaced" by sound.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 11/23/17 06:04 PM
Everyone has a choice. The choices might not be great, but there is still choices

TMommy's photo
Thu 11/23/17 06:20 PM
Edited by TMommy on Thu 11/23/17 06:22 PM

Everyone has a choice. The choices might not be great, but there is still choices

:thumbsup:

no1phD's photo
Thu 11/23/17 07:31 PM
Choice.. you see an open flame in that instant you choose to stick your hand in it are you choose not to...
Through experience.. you have learned the consequences of sticking your hand in the open flame.... now you're mine can override the choice not to stick your hand in the flame... but the consequences will be the same