you do know outside of the stories concerning the Hebrew God, the bible is merely a lineage record of ancient Jews. even Matthew/Mark give reference to the lineage of king David on both Mary and Joseph's side [step parents of Yeshua].


so, let's say we remove the deity factor, do you believe the lineage factor?

don't give a crap, they're just people from history, just like billions of unnamed others... Like I said, I don't believe anything the bible says, or anything organised religion says either

I don't deserve that respect...

Why? I mean what makes you say that? I admire you.

I'm just messing with ya.. Call me anythung, just don't call me late for dinner...

I have no problem with God.
I have a problem with Blind Faith and religions.
I've stated this quite a few times in multiple threads.
I have a problem with people telling me what I have to believe.
I have a problem with people telling me I am damned for my beliefs because they don't align with their beliefs.
I have a problem with people telling me the world is ending when it isn't.
I have a problem with religious reasoning.
I have a problem with people trying to use scripture passages as proof.
I have a problem with people not being able to think on their own.
I have a problem with religions that can't or won't adapt to current lifestyles.
I have a problem with religious manipulation.

Hell (yes, it needs to be capitalized, my bad) may or may not be in religious text but it is on the lips of people, right now. It is spoken in the churches, I've heard it.

Religions paint many pictures of God.
They assign human traits to God, never realizing that by doing so they corrupt the idea of God in the minds of the believers.
God isn't loving, isn't jealous, isn't judgemental, doesn't insert itself into our lives.
People are loving, jealous, judgemental and insert themselves into our lives.

You tell a non-religious person they are an animal and its like, "yeah, so?"
You tell a blind faith believer that they are an animal and they become offended and will argue that they are not.
Human beings are no more divine than any other life form on this planet.
Humans are invasive, destructive creatures that can't live in harmony with other lifeforms.

Religions do have merit in some ways.
They create social bonds and behavior limits.
What is special about the Bible is that it was brilliantly written to effectively control people's thoughts. It effectively uses ignorance of reality to generate enough doubt that the rewards and punishments have significance. To do this so well that it is still effective some 2000 years later is astounding. The only way to get personal proof is to die.

My God doesn't require anything of me, nor I God.
God just is.
I am nothing more than part of the whole, insignificant and unremarkable.


Pale Blue Dot is a photograph of planet Earth taken on February 14, 1990, by the Voyager 1 space probe from a record distance of about 6 billion kilometers (3.7 billion miles, 40.5 AU), as part of that day's Family Portrait series of images of the Solar System.
In the photograph, Earth's apparent size is less than a pixel; the planet appears as a tiny dot against the vastness of space, among bands of sunlight reflected by the camera.

Everything you ever seen, heard, experienced; all that has been written, recorded, documented; all the dreams, hopes and desires have happened on that tiny speck in the vastness of the Universe.
All that is, was and ever will be happens within the Universe that is God.

i certainly hope that what you do believe in you do respect those who helped to format your opinion.

let's say you are an atheist who believes in science. one would then respect ancient cultures like the Egyptians, Greeks, Chinese, Romans, and so forth for bringing us mathematics, social environmental studies, political structure, medical beliefs, their terms of science, etc.

today's science, how we live, how we practice medicine, basically how we do everything is due to ancient civilizations formatting these ideas and techniques.

so they are just more than people before us, they are people who have helped us to go from what they understood to what we know now.

they actually are quite important to ALL OF US.

after all, you like myself ain't anything to brag about. but our ancestors are worth remembering since we actually have patterned our lives after them in a modernized version.

Well try to articulate better. Don't want to get accused of assuming.
Also if you don't like talking to religious people (I am not one) then why do you post in religious threads?

I will keep that in mind.

I don't disagree, but my attitude is more of what they accomplished than who it was...knowing who did it doesn't really mean much to me... But the people from the bible didn't accomplish anything, other than glorifying a God I don't really believe in... Just like any other fictional book, great reading, but not much else...

That's just an expression that has taken on a life of it's own. The only words of God in the bible are the words in RED, the words of Jesus, and then only that we can be sure He said. Oh, and Matthew 17:5. Other than that, all the other words in the bible are not the words of God. Not really. How can this be "the Word of God":?

But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you? (Isa 36:12) KJV

Num 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. kjv

1Sa 15:2-3 Thus saith the LORD of hosts..., Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ***. kjv

It's blasphemy against God to say that the above verses are "His Word." But blasphemers don't often see their own blasphemy.

all bibles are supposedly written by man from the word of a god, the gospel...so who did God tell to take hell outa the bible? Wasn't me...

hell is a graveyard where the dead is laid while hell fire is a place where the wicked are been tormented and continuesly tormenting

maybe it was my assumption that you could keep up with the conversation, since the freewill part could only mean one thing pertaining to the disscussion... So do you have anything to agree or disagree with my statement, or are you going to keep deflecting ? Where I post has nothing to do with you or the topic, or my statement...

It isn't a matter of me keeping up with the conversation. My question was legit.
So how can I answer the question you just presented when you continue to deflect (not I) regarding who "they " are?

Maybe you are not sure what you meant.

if you can't/won't respond statement or question, then don't... Deflection is childish... Anyway, I'm done with you, since the topic is long gone...

no one obviously can convince you unless you want to be convinced of something being a truth vs fiction. and like my choice to believe is my right, your choice to not believe is your right. but medical advancements, scientific methods, astrology as far as names of star clusters, mathematics, herbivores [plant eating dinosaurs - mastodons], establishment of law and many things pertaining to our current way of life are found within the scripture.

and when you consider it was written in the Old Testament, some 5,500+ years ago, it predates writings concerning such methods and uses from Egyptian hieroglyphs, Greek manuscripts, Chinese methodology, definitely Roman literature that happened only 2,500 years ago.

maybe you just did not notice what was specifically written due to the fact it had a concept of God within the Old Testament. but the Hebrews have their writings on papyrus parchment papers that predates all cultures, plus dates during other cultures during their writings.

i just get the idea that because you know the scripture has a God tone about it, you dismissed it before ever reading it. and did not realize what you did read, because of your defiance against the idealism of God.

none of it was a "part" of the svriptures, man used the knowledge that was in the scriptures to base their ideas with... And all of it is just common friggin sense to begin with..don't kill, don't cheat, don't lie... The morals in the bible are fantastic,but basically common sense... And do you really think I haven't read a few bibles? Wth do you think I base my knowledge on when I talk with religious folk? Why is it you people think you're the only ones to ever pick up a bible? But I'm glad you brought up the old testament, that's really the only bible worth reading, after genesis anyway... All that who begat who and lived for 840 years crap is just nonsense to me... But the rest of the OT IS great reading, much better than the NT, IMO....

indeed, the commandments are definitely common sense based for today's understanding. but those commandments were given at a time when people were just out of slavery. they did not know how to be civil. for 400 years they were slaves and only understood to obey and be worthless in terms of self assuredness. they were animals like donkeys and camels doing the workload. they knew nothing but what they were told to know [how to make brick and reply with yes massa].

so, once they become free people in a land of their own making up their own rules, they had no viable structure, no vision in how to lead, no sense of comradery, no structure to get along with others by understanding there was a need for it.

these commandments were therefore essential to a jungle people who were nothing more than animals on the run.

Egyptian hieroglyphs tell of the Hebrew slaves. so we understand from multiple views this is not a made up story. and therefore, it was a very essential need for structure.

just because a slave is ruled by the educated, does not mean they understand the reasoning, by how the educated go about within their structured societal and environmental practices.

this is why there was a need for these common sense Commandments.





i guess then if you have read the Bible, it might be wise to put the biblical stories together with the other cultures being mentioned. for the most part, you find similar versions from both the Hebrew view and the view of who else is being mentioned

You obviously haven't studied the Bible at all.
You may have "read" it, but by your posts you have not studied it.

The New Testament is magnificent.

I will leave it at that for now.

And, I would leave the " you people" part out of it.

Regarding your post that is.

One other thing, you seem to be very angry at a God you do not believe in.

Why is that?