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Topic: Trump and the news media
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Sun 06/17/18 11:11 AM
Is he saying his daughter is on welfare?

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Sun 06/17/18 11:13 AM
Edited by Viper1j on Sun 06/17/18 11:18 AM

Is he saying his daughter is on welfare?


No, I'm saying that as the widow of a military service member, she is receiving temporary government assistance, while the military works out its insurance issues.

You have a problem with that, call your Congressman.

And yes, widows have to leave base housing, so she receiving housing assistance, and food stamps, deal with it

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Sun 06/17/18 11:14 AM

Is he saying his daughter is on welfare?


I missed that too.

Viper, why isn't your daughter working and kids dad's supporting them?

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Sun 06/17/18 11:17 AM


Is he saying his daughter is on welfare?


No, I'm saying that as the widow of a military service member, she is receiving temporary government assistance, while the military works out its insurance issues.

You have a problem with that, call your Congressman.


Why isn't she receiving his ss?

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Sun 06/17/18 11:21 AM
Edited by Viper1j on Sun 06/17/18 11:26 AM



Is he saying his daughter is on welfare?


No, I'm saying that as the widow of a military service member, she is receiving temporary government assistance, while the military works out its insurance issues.

You have a problem with that, call your Congressman.


Why isn't she receiving his ss?


Sh@t takes time.

But you wouldn't know anything about that.

And there is no "SS" for active duty military personnel. My grandson qualifies for SSI survivors benefits, but that too takes time.

AND I still stand by my original point. It's nobody's fvcking business where she gets her sh@t, or who it comes from.

Just be grateful for your stuff, and leave others alone.

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Sun 06/17/18 11:26 AM
My dad died when I was 11. I understand ss benefits. If your daughter is really married to the man she will receive a spouse survivor's check, plus any children he has.

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Sun 06/17/18 11:31 AM
Edited by Viper1j on Sun 06/17/18 11:33 AM

My dad died when I was 11. I understand ss benefits. If your daughter is really married to the man she will receive a spouse survivor's check, plus any children he has.


"REALLY" married to him? As opposed to what? Fake married to him?

Free clue: "Fake" spouses don't get base housing. She will get lifetime free medical care at any VA facility in the country, her son will get it until he turns 18, or 24 if he becomes a full-time college student. She will get an insurance check from the Navy, that should cover taking care of her comfortably for the rest of her life. My son-in-law was a naval officer.

But these things take time.

And still, I'm surprised that I'm even explaining this, because it's still nobody's fvcking business.

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Sun 06/17/18 11:36 AM
You are making my point. I have lots of vets in my family and understand they have lots of benefits. That's why your daughter being on welfare doesn't make any sense.

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Sun 06/17/18 11:37 AM
Edited by Viper1j on Sun 06/17/18 11:38 AM

You are making my point. I have lots of vets in my family and understand they have lots of benefits. That's why your daughter being on welfare doesn't make any sense.


You're a lost cause.

Or incredibly jealous, because she has a father (and grandfather) that looks out for her.

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Sun 06/17/18 11:45 AM

Viper, you are becoming irrational. It isn't about telling people what they can do with their welfare $$. It's about undoing bad welfare programs. It's about not giving people who sit on their *** enough $$ to go on a cruise. If they want it they can get off their *** and work for it. Trump has already put our country in the right direction.


I have three questions. How do YOU or anyone else know whether someone else just 'sits on their ***?


and what type of 'work' should we value?
work: activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result.


people who WORK dont always get a paycheck that reflects it, so are they less deserving of EVER having things they 'want'?


the housewife with a man who is married to their job and works 80 hours a week, 'works' the same amount as the woman who was unfortunate enough to mate with a deadbeat ...

There is no notion that a woman staying at home to take care of her kids and her household, doing laundry, cooking, cleaning, errands (all types of 'work' that are worthy of income even if she doesnt get any) should not ever take a vacation or have anything nice because she hasnt 'worked (earned her own income) to get it.

So the issue is not about them being 'worthy', its about whether people behind the money feel it is 'better' than they have. At least, that is the sentiment that comes through clearest to me.

"I work(earn an income), so I deserve to have more discretion over sometimes having rewards for my work than you do."


Its all about classist belief that human value and 'worthiness' to have responsibility AND privilege should only come with income status that can justify their 'earning' it.





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Sun 06/17/18 11:49 AM


You are making my point. I have lots of vets in my family and understand they have lots of benefits. That's why your daughter being on welfare doesn't make any sense.


You're a lost cause.

Or incredibly jealous, because she has a father (and grandfather) that looks out for her.


If you are looking out for her, why is she on welfare?
My son and son in law were in the military. My son lives here with me and I gave my daughter and son in law a house. That's looking out for someone.

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Sun 06/17/18 11:52 AM
add to the list, taxpayers get to decide what constitutes 'looking after' family.



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Sun 06/17/18 11:54 AM


Viper, you are becoming irrational. It isn't about telling people what they can do with their welfare $$. It's about undoing bad welfare programs. It's about not giving people who sit on their *** enough $$ to go on a cruise. If they want it they can get off their *** and work for it. Trump has already put our country in the right direction.


I have three questions. How do YOU or anyone else know whether someone else just 'sits on their ***?


and what type of 'work' should we value?
work: activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result.


people who WORK dont always get a paycheck that reflects it, so are they less deserving of EVER having things they 'want'?


the housewife with a man who is married to their job and works 80 hours a week, 'works' the same amount as the woman who was unfortunate enough to mate with a deadbeat ...

There is no notion that a woman staying at home to take care of her kids and her household, doing laundry, cooking, cleaning, errands (all types of 'work' that are worthy of income even if she doesnt get any) should not ever take a vacation or have anything nice because she hasnt 'worked (earned her own income) to get it.

So the issue is not about them being 'worthy', its about whether people behind the money feel it is 'better' than they have. At least, that is the sentiment that comes through clearest to me.

"I work(earn an income), so I deserve to have more discretion over sometimes having rewards for my work than you do."


Its all about classist belief that human value and 'worthiness' to have responsibility AND privilege should only come with income status that can justify their 'earning' it.







Because when a single mom goes to work she loses 70% of her benefits. If she stays at the job she will receive raises and benefits. Her welfare will eventually go to $0.

I don't get your questions about work. I don't care if people do physical or mental work. Just don't sit at McDonald and cry you can't support 6 kids.

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Sun 06/17/18 11:55 AM



You are making my point. I have lots of vets in my family and understand they have lots of benefits. That's why your daughter being on welfare doesn't make any sense.


You're a lost cause.

Or incredibly jealous, because she has a father (and grandfather) that looks out for her.


If you are looking out for her, why is she on welfare?
My son and son in law were in the military. My son lives here with me and I gave my daughter and son in law a house. That's looking out for someone.


I'm so happy for you Mrs. Trump.

In the real world, not everyone has houses that they can hand out like skittles. It's good that you can do that, I don't begrudge you one bit.

Unlike you, that feels she must look down on the "lesser beings". I have no doubt that when the military finishes the paperwork, the county will most likely request reimbursement for their expenses.

But she's a grown up, and I understand her wanting her own place, and privacy, especially now. Any tears that she sheds should be in private.

But, that's not something I would expect you to understand, because the one common denominator between all Trump lovers, is a lack of empathy.

If that word confuses you, Google is your friend.

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Sun 06/17/18 11:57 AM
Edited by diserli_gears on Sun 06/17/18 12:01 PM



I have three questions. How do YOU or anyone else know whether someone else just 'sits on their ***?

go to Youtube , you can find some videos on the subject
plus someone knows someone that knows someone that is bucking the system


and what type of 'work' should we value?
work: activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result.

Irrelevant question


people who WORK dont always get a paycheck that reflects it, so are they less deserving of EVER having things they 'want'?


another irrelevant statement


the housewife with a man who is married to their job and works 80 hours a week, 'works' the same amount as the woman who was unfortunate enough to mate with a deadbeat ...

There is no notion that a woman staying at home to take care of her kids and her household, doing laundry, cooking, cleaning, errands (all types of 'work' that are worthy of income even if she doesnt get any) should not ever take a vacation or have anything nice because she hasn't 'worked (earned her own income) to get it.


you're switching subjects, this has nothing to do with welfare.


So the issue is not about them being 'worthy', its about whether people behind the money feel it is 'better' than they have. At least, that is the sentiment that comes through clearest to me.

huh?

"I work(earn an income), so I deserve to have more discretion over sometimes having rewards for my work than you do."

again irrelevant.



Its all about classist belief that human value and 'worthiness' to have responsibility AND privilege should only come with income status that can justify their 'earning' it.






no it doesn't, that is a marxist analogy.

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Sun 06/17/18 11:58 AM



Viper, you are becoming irrational. It isn't about telling people what they can do with their welfare $$. It's about undoing bad welfare programs. It's about not giving people who sit on their *** enough $$ to go on a cruise. If they want it they can get off their *** and work for it. Trump has already put our country in the right direction.


I have three questions. How do YOU or anyone else know whether someone else just 'sits on their ***?


and what type of 'work' should we value?
work: activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result.


people who WORK dont always get a paycheck that reflects it, so are they less deserving of EVER having things they 'want'?


the housewife with a man who is married to their job and works 80 hours a week, 'works' the same amount as the woman who was unfortunate enough to mate with a deadbeat ...

There is no notion that a woman staying at home to take care of her kids and her household, doing laundry, cooking, cleaning, errands (all types of 'work' that are worthy of income even if she doesnt get any) should not ever take a vacation or have anything nice because she hasnt 'worked (earned her own income) to get it.

So the issue is not about them being 'worthy', its about whether people behind the money feel it is 'better' than they have. At least, that is the sentiment that comes through clearest to me.

"I work(earn an income), so I deserve to have more discretion over sometimes having rewards for my work than you do."


Its all about classist belief that human value and 'worthiness' to have responsibility AND privilege should only come with income status that can justify their 'earning' it.







Because when a single mom goes to work she loses 70% of her benefits. If she stays at the job she will receive raises and benefits. Her welfare will eventually go to $0.

I don't get your questions about work. I don't care if people do physical or mental work. Just don't sit at McDonald and cry you can't support 6 kids.


being that most on welfare dont have that many kids,,, I dont foresee that as a big issue.


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Sun 06/17/18 12:00 PM




I have three questions. How do YOU or anyone else know whether someone else just 'sits on their ***?

go to Youtube , you can find some videos on the subject
plus someone knows someone that knows someone that is bucking the system


and what type of 'work' should we value?
work: activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result.

Irrelevant question


people who WORK dont always get a paycheck that reflects it, so are they less deserving of EVER having things they 'want'?


another irrelevant statement


the housewife with a man who is married to their job and works 80 hours a week, 'works' the same amount as the woman who was unfortunate enough to mate with a deadbeat ...

There is no notion that a woman staying at home to take care of her kids and her household, doing laundry, cooking, cleaning, errands (all types of 'work' that are worthy of income even if she doesnt get any) should not ever take a vacation or have anything nice because she hasn't 'worked (earned her own income) to get it.


you're switching subjects, this has nothing to do with welfare.


So the issue is not about them being 'worthy', its about whether people behind the money feel it is 'better' than they have. At least, that is the sentiment that comes through clearest to me.

huh?

"I work(earn an income), so I deserve to have more discretion over sometimes having rewards for my work than you do."

again irrelevant.



Its all about classist belief that human value and 'worthiness' to have responsibility AND privilege should only come with income status that can justify their 'earning' it.






no it doesn't, that is a marxist analogy.


the absence of any way to answer does not make something marxist .. just makes it something you have no answers to.


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Sun 06/17/18 12:02 PM
marxists believes in class struggles and proletariat that struggles earning wages for a living

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Sun 06/17/18 12:07 PM
Women who have illegitimate children shouldn't expect to live like a married woman who has agreed with her partner that she will take care of the house and kids while he works.

If a man choose to take me to dinner, that's our agreement. I can't just go to a steakhouse and eat then expect someone else to pay the bill.

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Sun 06/17/18 12:10 PM
This thread has run its course and disintegrated
into attacks on members.

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